If they were to cap Abyssea to 75+...

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Originally Posted by Karbuncle

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I know exactly how you feel and I agree, i'm a THF and when I played awhile back I would wait hours and hours and hours just to get into a party most of the time. I invited a friend recently to FFXI and he always complains about not getting into a party after waiting for like 10-20 minutes.

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However, as for this Abyssea topic, people have leeched and will continue to do so, I noticed someone stated earlier that there was another incident where they immediately took action and players were SOL.

I wonder if that is the only solution.

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Originally Posted by Karbuncle

New players just complain so much. Go back to the time when the best party set up almost needed 2 Healers, always having downtime, and 10k/hr was AMAZING. Really, GO level in those conditions then come back and we'll talk.

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Yeah, I hate this attitude. I really do. No matter how you cut it - you can't blame someone for feeling like exp is not very good (even though it is much better than it used to be) when in the time they level from 40-42 they watch an LS mate go from 65-90.

That's backwards. The way it is supposed to work is lower levels take less time and higher levels take more. Abyssea has flipped that around - and new players have every right to complain that they are being asked to take 5-20 times as long to level a job as an established player.

Now, I actually don't give a damn about people leeching Abyssea and honestly I think SE was smart to do it - but something more needs to be done to even the playing field for newer players or this game will die from lack of new blood. And please - lose the attitude.

So people weren't around for the days of slow leveling (I was) - so what? The fact was back then, everyone was in the same boat. It is all about comparative speed - if back then some people were getting 100K an hour and others were getting 10K - you can bet your bottom dollar people would be complaining about that too.

Now that Abyssea exp is so ridiculous it is super hard to find real parties outside of Abyssea - and no matter how much you call down newer players for finding that frustrating - they have every right to be frustrated that they are being shut out of the best exp and left to level alone, with crummy gear, and very few opportunities to even meet people.

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Originally Posted by Olor

Yeah, I hate this attitude. I really do. No matter how you cut it - you can't blame someone for feeling like exp is not very good (even though it is much better than it used to be) when in the time they level from 40-42 they watch an LS mate go from 65-90.

That's backwards. The way it is supposed to work is lower levels take less time and higher levels take more. Abyssea has flipped that around - and new players have every right to complain that they are being asked to take 5-20 times as long to level a job as an established player.

Now, I actually don't give a damn about people leeching Abyssea and honestly I think SE was smart to do it - but something more needs to be done to even the playing field for newer players or this game will die from lack of new blood. And please - lose the attitude.

So people weren't around for the days of slow leveling (I was) - so what? The fact was back then, everyone was in the same boat. It is all about comparative speed - if back then some people were getting 100K an hour and others were getting 10K - you can bet your bottom dollar people would be complaining about that too.

Now that Abyssea exp is so ridiculous it is super hard to find real parties outside of Abyssea - and no matter how much you call down newer players for finding that frustrating - they have every right to be frustrated that they are being shut out of the best exp and left to level alone, with crummy gear, and very few opportunities to even meet people.

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Its not super hard to find a party, Its much easier to find them now then even 3 years ago.. Like some have stated; 3-6 hours with no invite... some have waitied days. There was no level sync, so no more then a 2 level gap for max exp. What was done while waiting was missions, farming, level a new job to dunes, try out new things, Helping LS mates, research and so on. You would run around with exp search comment and wait, or make ur own party, or commit to a static party.

Abby (in my opinion) needs not to be entered till 76. Things in the game would come back full circle.

Olor, what server are you on???


SE NEEDS TO PUT PRIVATE MESSAGE IN PLACE.

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Originally Posted by Olor

Yeah, I hate this attitude. I really do. No matter how you cut it - you can't blame someone for feeling like exp is not very good (even though it is much better than it used to be) when in the time they level from 40-42 they watch an LS mate go from 65-90.

That's backwards. The way it is supposed to work is lower levels take less time and higher levels take more. Abyssea has flipped that around - and new players have every right to complain that they are being asked to take 5-20 times as long to level a job as an established player.

Now, I actually don't give a damn about people leeching Abyssea and honestly I think SE was smart to do it - but something more needs to be done to even the playing field for newer players or this game will die from lack of new blood. And please - lose the attitude.

So people weren't around for the days of slow leveling (I was) - so what? The fact was back then, everyone was in the same boat. It is all about comparative speed - if back then some people were getting 100K an hour and others were getting 10K - you can bet your bottom dollar people would be complaining about that too.

Now that Abyssea exp is so ridiculous it is super hard to find real parties outside of Abyssea - and no matter how much you call down newer players for finding that frustrating - they have every right to be frustrated that they are being shut out of the best exp and left to level alone, with crummy gear, and very few opportunities to even meet people.

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I will lose no attitude of the sort. My opinion is mine, Your opinion is yours. We enjoy diversity in life, You should embrace different opinions.

That being said, I'm sorry to say, SE could make Low-Level EXP abyssea-tier, And it would still not bring a whole lot of new people to the game, Simply because of its age. Exp low level has become much more newb-friendly than it used to be, its such a massive improvement, and its so ungrateful to think so much more needs to be done simply because you can't Super-Burn 1-75 like you can 75-90 in abyssea.

But Low Level Exp is extremely easy, and i can't help but feel the people complaining its hard to find exp parties outside abyssea, are just not trying. In the 5 days alone while leveling PUP 1~32, its 32 currently as i type this, sitting in Qufim Island. I have been invited to 4 Parties, And i have never put my flag up. ON PUP. And as i exp'd in Qufim today, I watched about ~20 Different Soloing players come and go, and at least 4 Active Level-Sync parties at all times. And if i didn't see them, if i felt like partying i would simply take the initiative and start one.

So There are plenties of parties, If you're not getting invites, You can easily make one. Most players 10~70 Will accept a Level Sync party. You can simply widen your search area.

I mean, how much easier do you want it? Chub brings up a good point too. Back in the day we didn't have Level Sync either, We had to find people within 1-2 levels of where we wanted to go, and if someone leveled 1 too high, the entire party went to crap. Low level EXP is almost revolutionary compared to 2003~2005 level Exp.

I just think low level exp is in a much better condition than some people play it off as. Maybe "They dont have a right to complain" is a bit to blunt, I should say "They should refrain from complaining until they experience the hellish nightmares of these "Established" players went through for nearly 6 years."

I won't object to Low-Level exp having another revamp, Though i don't find it necessary, But Capping Abyssea to 75+ Simply would not be the solution as has been suggested before. And i do not believe capping Abyssea 75+ Will make new low level parties, It simply means less high-level players will level new jobs, if forced to do it the old way.

I personally try to level Exp style as much as possible on new jobs so I dont have to Burn-Skill-up, But i appreciate Square Enix has given us so much in terms of Low level exp, and also the Option of Abyssea Exp.

so TL;DR: I Think we really should be grateful at what we have now, compared to how awful it was in the past, And while I accept the idea of more low-level exp adjustments, I don't think Nerfing Abyssea by limiting it to 75+ Would be the Solution as some have suggested. It would not do as much as some people think.

It really isn't your business which server I am on - but if you want to find out - I am sure you can, it would just take a little detective work.

Myself I don't really bother with parties cause I am a BST and I have a friend in the same level range as me, but I have encountered a lot of people who have trouble getting a party - and them having crappy gear doesn't make it easier for them.

I actually don't agree with revising Aby entrance requirements - just so there is no misunderstanding. However I don't agree with people whining about noobs having it so easy when they can afk from 30-90 whenever they want to.

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Originally Posted by chubrocka

Abby (in my opinion) needs not to be entered till 76. Things in the game would come back full circle.

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This wouldnt bring anything "back full circle". Raising the cap in abyssea would do three things.

1. people would go back to collibri syncing
2. people would go back to smn burning
3. people would stop leveling new jobs altogether.

I feel bad for people who enjoyed the stagnation of "post lvl sync - pre abyssea" lvling and act like it was so much better than todays abyssea leeching.

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Originally Posted by Olor

It really isn't your business which server I am on - but if you want to find out - I am sure you can, it would just take a little detective work.

Myself I don't really bother with parties cause I am a BST and I have a friend in the same level range as me, but I have encountered a lot of people who have trouble getting a party - and them having crappy gear doesn't make it easier for them.

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Well there went my respect for your posts and thoughts. I wanted to invite you to some great LS's and see about helping you and yours. With a reply like that, I'm glad i didnt. Good luck with your game play.

If we could PM then this would have went away from topic..... Sorry to you OP

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Originally Posted by Olor

I actually don't agree with revising Aby entrance requirements - just so there is no misunderstanding. However I don't agree with people whining about noobs having it so easy when they can afk from 30-90 whenever they want to.

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Thats good :)

Though, Not Everyone Does Abyssea burn, As i have stated I do not Abyssea burn if at all possible, Cause I Do not enjoy having to massively skill up...

And just because one group has it easier, it does not mean that other groups dont have it easy as well. It would be a Different Tier of Easy. I don't think making the game Abyssea-Teir easy inside and outside would be a smart solution. But as a solution, it would be the only way to correct low-level Exping.

So I just don't think the idea will work. Doubling Exp across the board was a very huge jump. Outside-Abyssea exp parties can get absolutely redonkulous exp/hr compared to even just a few years ago. That coupled with Exp rings outside...

To give you some idea, I Solo'd (SOLO'D!) An MMM Maze a few days ago, I got 7,800 Exp from the box, about ~1.8k from the maze, and 780 from a Mini Box, i got 2 levels and about 700 into my level in about 15 minutes. At the time i think i was level ~24. Ended the maze at 26.

When Low level people exp, They seem to completely forget MMM Exp. I would go as far to say MMM Exp is better than Abyssea Exp in Small burst. Simply because of how Broken it is with the Double-Exp gain.

So low level players do have access to Abyssea-Tier Exp, Its called MMM :) People just forget about how awesome it is if you ask me!

Edit: No Really, MMM Exp Is broken for ~30-75. The Amount of Exp you can get per maze is insane. On Average you can probably make ~15k Exp a maze without an Exp ring if you keep chain, and your average maze takes ~20 minutes with good people. So baring mess-ups and people afking, You can reach about 55k/hr, That's pretty nice for low levels. Its not EXACTLY abyssea-Easy, but it is darn close for low-level players.

And thats not even counting using an Exp ring, I have a feeling with an Anniversary Ring, You could probably get damn near 30k+ in just one maze... (thats if you dont hit the cap of 1 level per)

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Originally Posted by chubrocka

Well there went my respect for your posts and thoughts. I wanted to invite you to some great LS's and see about helping you and yours. With a reply like that, I'm glad i didnt. Good luck with your game play.

If we could PM then this would have went away from topic..... Sorry to you OP

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Sorry if it came off as harsh, but I didn't know what your intentions were. I didn't mean to sound mean or anything but I didn't know if you were just gonna troll me or something.
That said I actually have a couple of great LSes and most of the issues that I talk about - I am not really advocating on my own behalf - but out of a love of the game.

Like gears - after I decided I was going to main BST my LS mates gave me a monster signa, bird whistle, corsette, two loyalty rings, and a few other goodies. So, for the most part I have had it really easy.

That said, I am highly cognizant that most noobs/rerollers are not going to have the same experience as me. I went to XI after the horrific failure called XIV burned me out. The people I am playing with now are people I met while prepping for release of XIV/through XIV.

So, I don't have much trouble with gears or exping - but I know if I was starting in the world alone and without a friend on the world - things would be demoralizingly tough.