Abyssea should have cap entry or rules

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Originally Posted by Avina

Experience points should removed from the game. I'm dead serious.

Why should experience points be removed? Because the 1-98 block has become a waste of time. A game should not include so much content where it becomes "Okay, now go and sit in an abyssea party while we level you to 99." Why? It's unnecessary. Fix it, or cut it out. People should ding to 99 the moment they create their character, or unlock a new job. Because I cannot see how that would be any different in terms of how exping happens now with burning aside from it removing a massive waste of time.

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I can kinda agree with this, but make it an option. When you create a character or unlock a job, you have the choice to either have it start at 1 or 99. However, if you start at 99, it is indicated on your player someway (star by the name or whatever). That way people have a better idea who they want to invite. The guy who started at 1 and worked his way up, or the guy who started at 99. (for whatever his reason was). That way, we can separate the 'smart' and the 'dumb' players, though nobody will agree which is which.

oh god why this again.... if you want to go make traditional pts, go make them. Noones forcing you to do aby exp pts, dont try to force somethign you WANT on other peoples

Besides they were plenty of peoples in the olde days that didnt know how to play their job either

Leveling to 99 the "old" way will have NOTHING to do with a player's skill at that particular job. Think of it this way, who do you want in your party,

A) the guy who just tagged 99 after 6 months of fighting in low-level parties, who has no ability/spell specific gear because they haven't had time during their rush to 99.

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B) the guy who's been level 99 for the last 6 months, working on perfecting their gear sets for all the different abilities their job has.

Old school parties make no difference in skill level. Period.

so in other words people just wanna leech now? so it much fun leeching and afk 30-99? how is that challenging?
i remember having fun lvling in Bibiki Bay dying to bomb toss and trying to deal with 3+ IT links,
Kazham pts mandys spaming sleep and that 1 gob always seems to kill me first near the zone><

Garlaige Citadel pullers falling in holes and bat links to deal with

sky/moon (Ro'Maeve) was a pain but fun

Kuftal Tunnel good pt spot till wyvern NM pop his head in>.>

King Ranperre's Tomb bone burn pts! but watch out for the hp low

Bhaflau Thickets bird pts! once in while links happens:)

Caedarva Mire imp/toad pts! was fun and bit challenging at time when mages/tanks not watching what they doing>.>

etc list goes on. with all the exp boost updates that happen over the time it alot better, but now since abyssea came out and 30+ can enter THAT when the leeching being. not saying abyssea bad but that lvl 30+ hurting it alot.
oh well iam happy i had my fun before people started to leech

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Originally Posted by Zerich

which buffs last longer with the appropriate skills leveled...i'm curious

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The bar spells are the only ones I can think of.

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Originally Posted by nyheen

well you see the problem is there little to no people looking for pt cause they wanna leech abyssea. and why everyone keep saying abyssea didn change nothing. you guys saying that it was way more people leeching before that?

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Nope its just that you couldn't find the right party set up before abyssea either no whm or no tank.

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Originally Posted by svengalis

The bar spells are the only ones I can think of.

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i was under the impression that enhancing magic only enhanced the potency of the intended bar-effect of the spell.

only time i can think of a spell wearing early is if the mob has a stronger slow than your haste, or if you cast a high level spell on a low level character.

Those parties were awesome if you could actually find a party. You guys just fail to understand the game is not the same anymore not enough people still play for those parties to work anymore.

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Originally Posted by nyheen

so in other words people just wanna leech now? so it much fun leeching and afk 30-99? how is that challenging?
i remember having fun lvling in Bibiki Bay dying to bomb toss and trying to deal with 3+ IT links,
Kazham pts mandys spaming sleep and that 1 gob always seems to kill me first near the zone><

Garlaige Citadel pullers falling in holes and bat links to deal with

sky/moon (Ro'Maeve) was a pain but fun

Kuftal Tunnel good pt spot till wyvern NM pop his head in>.>

King Ranperre's Tomb bone burn pts! but watch out for the hp low

Bhaflau Thickets bird pts! once in while links happens:)

Caedarva Mire imp/toad pts! was fun and bit challenging at time when mages/tanks not watching what they doing>.>

etc list goes on. with all the exp boost updates that happen over the time it alot better, but now since abyssea came out and 30+ can enter THAT when the leeching being. not saying abyssea bad but that lvl 30+ hurting it alot.
oh well iam happy i had my fun before people started to leech

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Originally Posted by Xantavia

I can kinda agree with this, but make it an option. When you create a character or unlock a job, you have the choice to either have it start at 1 or 99. However, if you start at 99, it is indicated on your player someway (star by the name or whatever). That way people have a better idea who they want to invite. The guy who started at 1 and worked his way up, or the guy who started at 99. (for whatever his reason was). That way, we can separate the 'smart' and the 'dumb' players, though nobody will agree which is which.

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Why bother to differentiate when there is no difference? Why set one apart? Is the guy who gusgen burns to then and then Abyssea burns to 99 really going to be any different at all compared to the guy who started his job fresh at level 99? There's no smart and dumb and that equation. There's a player who wasted time to get the same effect. Remember though, I miss old school parties. But there is no logic to experience points anymore with the game is currently set up. And I disagree that players take nothing from the old school ways of leveling up with the rampant abundance of untalented 99s I see running around. I'm not saying it makes 100% the difference, or even 50%. But it did something.

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Originally Posted by Twille

Leveling to 99 the "old" way will have NOTHING to do with a player's skill at that particular job. Think of it this way, who do you want in your party,

A) the guy who just tagged 99 after 6 months of fighting in low-level parties, who has no ability/spell specific gear because they haven't had time during their rush to 99.

or

B) the guy who's been level 99 for the last 6 months, working on perfecting their gear sets for all the different abilities their job has.

Old school parties make no difference in skill level. Period.

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That argument is nonsense. Of course, any player dinging to 99, no matter how they got there, isn't going to be as good as someone who got to that level six months earlier and has had the time to perfect their gear. Would you invite someone who just spent 24 hours getting BLM from level 1 to 99 because they burned their way? No, of course you wouldn't. You'd pick the guy who has been the job longer. That has nothing to do with how they chose to exp. You are trying to skew the debate to somehow say "Because this guy just leveled to 99, because he exped slow, he sucks" when all you are really saying is "He got the job to 99 six months ago, so he's better than a newly dinged 99." Well, YEAH. He should be.

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Originally Posted by nyheen

so in other words people just wanna leech now? so it much fun leeching and afk 30-99? how is that challenging?
i remember having fun lvling in Bibiki Bay dying to bomb toss and trying to deal with 3+ IT links,
Kazham pts mandys spaming sleep and that 1 gob always seems to kill me first near the zone><

Garlaige Citadel pullers falling in holes and bat links to deal with

sky/moon (Ro'Maeve) was a pain but fun

Kuftal Tunnel good pt spot till wyvern NM pop his head in>.>

King Ranperre's Tomb bone burn pts! but watch out for the hp low

Bhaflau Thickets bird pts! once in while links happens:)

Caedarva Mire imp/toad pts! was fun and bit challenging at time when mages/tanks not watching what they doing>.>

etc list goes on. with all the exp boost updates that happen over the time it alot better, but now since abyssea came out and 30+ can enter THAT when the leeching being. not saying abyssea bad but that lvl 30+ hurting it alot.
oh well iam happy i had my fun before people started to leech

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What does me leeching have to do with you? Your welcome to make old school 6 man parties with the 5 other people who think that is fun, if they really exist. I'm pretty sure people say they like the old methods, then go and burn their jobs just like the rest of us. I personally found leveling the first job to be a fun experience. The second job got a little tiresome. The third, fourth, fifth............. screw that.

I've leveled white mage on three characters now. There is no way in hell I am gonna learn anything new about it by being in a level 40 beetle party when I level it on my fourth character.

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Originally Posted by Avina

That argument is nonsense. Of course, any player dinging to 99, no matter how they got there, isn't going to be as good as someone who got to that level six months earlier and has had the time to perfect their gear. Would you invite someone who just spent 24 hours getting BLM from level 1 to 99 because they burned their way? No, of course you wouldn't. You'd pick the guy who has been the job longer. That has nothing to do with how they chose to exp. You are trying to skew the debate to somehow say "Because this guy just leveled to 99, because he exped slow, he sucks" when all you are really saying is "He got the job to 99 six months ago, so he's better than a newly dinged 99." Well, YEAH. He should be.

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Yeah, he should be better... so... why would you pick the guy who just dinged?

The bottom line is this: you either spend you time in xp parties, or you spend your time doing things on a 99 character. If you like not being 99, then by all means... stay at a lower level as long as you want.