Current Empy 95 Price

They don't try to go back to the old days (imo). They just made an experiment with an easy to implement event (VW doesn't have specific zone, it's just pop NMs). The player base would just like to know which weapon is going to rule in the end. They alreay stated (I think) that they wanted all 3 types of weapons to be on par but it's not the case, even when you account for the last mediocre boost to relics. Level 85 empy is still better yo.

People need to stop saying empy > relic, it really is not that black and white. relic at 95 got the hidden 2.5-3 dmg proc raised. While the defining factor that distinguishes them from empy is simply the WS at this point. If as the above poster said they want to make them on par, then i say that is where they need to aim for. Same would go for the mythic but with the change on the 3rd aftermath, i think they are doing pretty good now for some?

IN EITHER CASE that has nothing to do with ludicrous trials. Dynamis coins have been alleviated a lot with the new dynamis changes, alexanderites have not been addressed, and now Empys have joined the massive grinding wheel, and dare i say taken the top spot?

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Originally Posted by Kimble

I think the severe damage is just icing. Pretty sure the DMG 49, 189 delay and dex +15 is where it shines.

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Ill compare this dagger to STR kila+3 since you don't seem to get it.

Kila +3 is DMG45 delay 190 attack+20 STR+10.

Both dager have almost the same delay, and after dualwield they effectively have the same delay, so the same TP gain/hit; the comaprison will be simple. +10 STR is +2.5 DMG and +5 attack, there fore you are comparing:

1.5 DMG, 15DEX versus 25 attack.

At an avergae pdif ( we are taling about THF here, low attack gear), 25 attack is huge. +1% global with each +4 attacks, which is what you get on average from 1.2 pDIF IIRC, the +25attack damage mean ~6.25% damage. The +1.5 damage form that new dagger should be about 3%~3.5% increase. You think the crit boost from the DEX covers the remaining missign 3% damage? The best case for the critical hit rate, is that you have a low critical hit rate without the dagger, say 10%, the floor. And that the DEX are actually usefull to put your total DEX above mob's AGI. You'll get 2, maybe 3% critical hit rate out of it. Moving from 10% critical hit rate to 13% critical hit rate is a progression of ~2.5% damage; I considered that a critical hit rate does 2x a normal damage to simplify. At 1.2 pDIF is is 1.8x iirc, again, so the progress shoulbe lower. Now if you use dancing edge , +2.5% melee damage, but +0% WS damage, ie ~+1.25% global. If you use evisceration its isa bit better but still inferior. If you use it as a sub hand dagger, it does almost nothing to WS, wether you use evisceration or not.

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Originally Posted by Kimble

I think the severe damage is just icing. Pretty sure the DMG 49, 189 delay and dex +15 is where it shines.

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I proved you that DMG49 delay 189 DEX+15 is inferior to kila+3 (STR). Not by a lot, but kilas+2 every THF should have since they are one of the best oustide abyssea, and kila+3 even better. So unlike what you claim, the interesting part of the dagger is the mysterious "occ severe damage". We do not know what it does nor the procc rate. I have a terrible fear that the effect will be either underwhelming ( no procc on NMs etc) or have a very low proc rate.

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Originally Posted by Runespider

They said they wanted to encourage more low-man events when they decided to increase the level cap, make things easier for smaller groups because the game had changed and the old 18 player alliance things just weren't possible anymore. Now they are whitewashing that excuse and just trying to go back to old ways after they effectively killed all the old linkshells. They just don't know what they want or what direction they want to go in.

They don't really understand how the playerbase is or what's best for the game, as you said they are going to lose a large number of subs simply due to alts being pointless again. Maybe they don't realise how many people pay for alt accounts these days.

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There are still plenty of "old linkshells" alive and thriving. Peoples' fear of large groups seems to border on the paranoiac. Since all loot pools are individual, there is no downside to joining a large linkshell or group to farm your plates. For people still vehemently opposed to the idea, I imagine in a few weeks when more people have reached T3 Voidwatch you will see many shouts for groups in Port Jeuno. How hard do you think it will be to get a shout group for these things if you yell in Port Jeuno "[Voidwatcher's Emblem: Jeuno] T3 [Heavy Metal Plate] Empyrean 95 [Do you need it?] @6/18"

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Originally Posted by Monchat

I proved you that DMG49 delay 189 DEX+15 is inferior to kila+3 (STR).

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You proved nothing. Your post consists entirely of obscure math (everything that related to pDIF), wrong math (10 STR = 2.5 Damage) and wrong assumptions (every THF has a lolKila).

pDIF is obscure math now...?

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Originally Posted by Neisan_Quetz

pDIF is obscure math now...?

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Kinda, but that wasn't my point. I meant his usage of pDIF, which was obscure and looked more like guessing and groundless assumptions than actual calculations and references (of which there were 0).

The calculations were implicit rather than explicit, but what he stated regarding the kila is more or less correct.

I'd mainly disagree on the dDex issue, since thf should have a fairly respectable amount of dex in gear nowadays (+30 dex from the usual 4/5 AF3+2 setup plus Rajas), and thus should easily be in at least the 30-40 dDex range. As such, "best case" (which is what he claimed) would be something like +10% crit rate (going from ~15% to 25%), which is pretty huge.

THe NQ version of Coruscanti has Crit + 4% so I think it's a good assumption that ODSD is better than Crit+4% mathematically, if SE knows anything.

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Originally Posted by Arcon

Kinda, but that wasn't my point. I meant his usage of pDIF, which was obscure and looked more like guessing and groundless assumptions than actual calculations and references (of which there were 0).

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This. Oh god, this.

Among other things, I'd like to know what the hell assumption he's making for the THF's attack; it looks like 400, which is a lot lower than it should be (wearing basically no attack gear and at 310 club skill, my WHM95 has 376 attack; a THF95 with capped dagger should be sitting in the vicinity of 460 attack instead).