Bst Job adjustment manifesto concerns and questions.

It's not just you; in Abyssea pet WS are very underwhelming. On mobs outside of Abyssea they're not too bad, but there's not a lot outside of abyssea you're using BST pets on anyway that's not a trash mob... Maybe the occasional rare NM or something (I know fighting the Fomor NMs in the past is fun!) but for the most part, they're overly underwhelming. :(

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Originally Posted by Olor

I'm really unhappy that our only JA is going to make our jugs go away. The job is already pretty expensive... I mean I guess people who have been playing for 7 years and don't need gil don't think so but I have like 70K on my char right now. I won't be able to afford to use this new JA... and BST is not overpowered or anything. Couldn't we get a JA that doesn't cost us craptons of $$$$?

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Wait and see. How can people be angry about stuff when they don't even know how it is implemented? Run wild actually makes alot of sense. Our biggest handicap is being able to toss out some spike damage or increase our damage output when needed. The tradeoff here is in tanking ability. If our pet disappears after a big spurt of damage, thats just fine. Shucks pets are often cheaper than restoratives like biscuits and dawn mulsum.

What will make or break the run wild JA depends on exactly what it will do and the balance between potency and duration. There are plenty of cases I would sacrifice a jug for some serious dd output.

As long as the power/duration comparison is worthwhile, its going to be a fantastic ability for bst to get. it sounds like exactly a place where we are lacking as a job.

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Originally Posted by SpankWustler

Not that this matters, but they seem to be Red Mages who sub Red Mage. They just have a naturally low delay for some weird reason. Maybe they're dagger-wielding Red Mages? They definitely can't Triple Attack and their evasion isn't anything special, though.

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Some Colibri are rdm's and some are thfs. I was referring to a thf colibri. A rdm colibri would suck unless it got the whole reflect magic thing wich would be neatish.

Either way it doesnt matter because they decided to go a different route.

Also karbuncle, funguars have always been awesome pets. Frog kick has always been on par for single hit dmg and they have lots of enfeebling options. The current highest lvl funguar has a higher crit chance than normal. And funguars resist both water and dark elemental dmg. So yeh im pretty sure they were talking about mandies.

Yeah, I've actually had pretty good luck with Funguars on the ride up; in fact, when it came to charm camps, if there was a Funguar group there it was so much easier. They're durable for their level, their damage can be great (Dark Spore etc has amazing damage at high health, and then Frog Kick is great) and the amount of different status ailments available can be a great aid to you. On the other hand, I wasn't much for mandies unless that was my current charm camp and even then I was a tiny bit underwhelmed. They have a good potential for damage... at their level or below. Above, they seem to suffer a good deal.

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Originally Posted by Gotterdammerung

Some Colibri are rdm's and some are thfs. I was referring to a thf colibri. A rdm colibri would suck unless it got the whole reflect magic thing wich would be neatish.

Either way it doesnt matter because they decided to go a different route.

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Please Show/explain to me which Colibri you believe is THF? No sarcasm here Gotter.

Wiki lists all of them as RDM, and on their "jobs" they list "Red Mage, Thief(Verification needed)" so thats entirely unconfirmed, and I doubt its accuracy.

Beyond that they have D-rank Evasion as well. Perhaps theres a single NM out there who may be considered a THF, But our jug pets have all been based off of "Vanilla" mobs, So a Colibri would likely be RDM/RDM.

I just don't think they'd be THF's. They could make them THF's because they have the power, But it would defy known logic, and they could just as easily make the Smilodon a THF (hey, Byakko is a thf.)

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Also karbuncle, funguars have always been awesome pets. Frog kick has always been on par for single hit dmg and they have lots of enfeebling options. The current highest lvl funguar has a higher crit chance than normal. And funguars resist both water and dark elemental dmg. So yeh im pretty sure they were talking about mandies.

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My Complaint was their TP moves costed to many ready charged (The decent ones are all 2-3 Charges), however, When i first tried the pets at level ~80 i was disappointed, Maybe i didn't give them a chance.

However, I did read that large compilation of BST related Jug-pet data, and saw that He had 5% more critical hit rate than other pets, and that was interesting. I had simply found Dark Spore severely underwhelming back then... But this was likely because i was fighting weaker mobs and my Foot Kick/Sheep Charges were doing in the ballpark of 1k~1.1k (I was farming really weak things for my Oa2-4x back then)

The current Funguar jug pet is really weird. It has a high delay, mediocre base damage, but high critical hit rate. It's interesting, especially given how much critical hits help pets, but I don't really use it because all of it's TP moves seem to require one charge too many.

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Originally Posted by Karbuncle

Please Show/explain to me which Colibri you believe is THF? No sarcasm here Gotter.

Wiki lists all of them as RDM, and on their "jobs" they list "Red Mage, Thief(Verification needed)" so thats entirely unconfirmed, and I doubt its accuracy.

Beyond that they have D-rank Evasion as well. Perhaps theres a single NM out there who may be considered a THF, But our jug pets have all been based off of "Vanilla" mobs, So a Colibri would likely be RDM/RDM.

I just don't think they'd be THF's. They could make them THF's because they have the power, But it would defy known logic, and they could just as easily make the Smilodon a THF (hey, Byakko is a thf.)

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Just missed the verification tag. My mistake.

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Originally Posted by Karbuncle

My Complaint was their TP moves costed to many ready charged (The decent ones are all 2-3 Charges), however, When i first tried the pets at level ~80 i was disappointed, Maybe i didn't give them a chance.

However, I did read that large compilation of BST related Jug-pet data, and saw that He had 5% more critical hit rate than other pets, and that was interesting. I had simply found Dark Spore severely underwhelming back then... But this was likely because i was fighting weaker mobs and my Foot Kick/Sheep Charges were doing in the ballpark of 1k~1.1k (I was farming really weak things for my Oa2-4x back then)

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I'd recommend giving the funguar a chance, IF it wasnt horribly understocked and overpriced. But since it is... it does not get my seal of approval, but it is not a weak pet. Its just not a viable pet due to stock and price.

Also you will typically always do more damage with the 1 charge frog kick. It is superior to the breaths in dmg/charge. And it should be on par with Sheep charge.

Funguar has more than 5% bonus in crit rate vs the other pets. More like 10~15% higher crit rate. I'm the one who found it and posted it.

Funguar is peculiar because it is a vanillia war like so many others, but it has such a weak attack (about the same a yuly) and such a high crit rate. REally if you are using RR and GH in abyssea, you'll be about 90% crit rate using Louise. The breath attacks will pop off at around 1k damage at level 90, but the macc isn't great even on level 0 mobs. Pet Macc gear would help these quite a bit. I"m not sure all the best ways to use louise though. Maybe I'll go out and a parse w/ this atma setup and apocalypse to see how the crit hits average out. Either way its a unique and interesting pet.

I"m looking forward to seeing what ready moves they keep on the slug. the original version of corrosive ooze is very good. I also really hope we keep the encumbrance effect from Fuscous Ooze. It would only be useful for ballista or something.. but come on, that would be hilarious! I've been wanting a slug to do that since they raised the level cap from 75.

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That's like saying you can live without warcry on warrior, but /attack is the greatest feature of the job ever.

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Honestly, you about summed it up.

Without /attack, Warrior would be absolutely useless.
Without Warcry, Warrior wouldn't change a bit.

If only we could skillchain and proc weakness with our jugs like charged whisker and other such TP moves, BST would become very dynamic