Scholar adjustments: Recall and Retrace

Light Enfeebles
Slow, Paralyze, Silence, Dia, Flash

Dark Enfeebles
Blind, Sleep, Poison, Gravity, Bio

But if I recall correctly there was a problem when sch was first released which is why when we use Light Arts we get an increase to Enfeebling Magic because the (arguably) 3 most important enfeebles are Light based (Slow, Para, Silence).

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Originally Posted by OMEGA_HACK

Light Enfeebles
Slow, Paralyze, Silence, Dia, Flash

Dark Enfeebles
Blind, Sleep, Poison, Gravity, Bio

But if I recall correctly there was a problem when sch was first released which is why when we use Light Arts we get an increase to Enfeebling Magic because the (arguably) 3 most important enfeebles are Light based (Slow, Para, Silence).

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I didn't include Gravity, Bio, Dia, or Flash because SCH doesn't get it without subjob help.

But it would still work regardless.

Even though it seems as if the scholar has learn the WHM and BLM spells, in actuality the Grimoire has reveal this spells to the scholar. The Grimoire is semi-intelligent and evolving. When did WHM and BLM learn not only to warp or tele, but time travel as well?

Thw Scholar's/Grimoire's knowledge is tied to that era in the past, after all why was it a "good" idea to exterminate all the scholars I n the past if not for their taboo knowledge and fear of their grimoires?

But...it is too late to just give them this spell. Nothing makes these spells unique to either WHM and BLM considering that subbing these jobs grant access to most types already. Getti g to the past inst all that difficult.

I don't mind if SCH gets Recall/Retrace at all.

Only thing I do mind is that SCHs are demanding to get another BLM and WHM only spell. That they are entitled to it because it teleports them in the past and that without them, the spells wouldn't exist and all that.

It wasn't that long ago that SCHs were demanding T4 nukes from BLMs, and they got them.

It wasn't that long ago that SCHs were demanding more MAB gear, and they got them (somewhat).

I'm sure that SE will eventually give SCHs their MAB trait that they have been demanding also though....

I don't really care about MaB traits...I like my SCH because outside of abyssea I can consistantly deal more dmg per mp than any BLM can do anywhere.

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Originally Posted by OMEGA_HACK

I don't really care about MaB traits...I like my SCH because outside of abyssea I can consistantly deal more dmg per mp than any BLM can do anywhere.

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Thing is, as long as you don't run out of MP, no one cares about how much damage you do per point of MP. They only care about how much damage you do per X amount of time.

Being efficient is only especially valuable if it makes the difference between running out of MP or not, thus meaning that you are able to do more things per X time without hitting the 0 MP wall.

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Originally Posted by Alhanelem

Thing is, as long as you don't run out of MP, no one cares about how much damage you do per point of MP. They only care about how much damage you do per X amount of time.

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Actually, the bold portion is all that matters. It just happens that the former explains superiority in doing X DMG/Y Time.

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Originally Posted by OMEGA_HACK

I don't really care about MaB traits...I like my SCH because outside of abyssea I can consistantly deal more dmg per mp than any BLM can do anywhere.

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ITT: SCHs can only nuke effectively. /SCH doesn't exist.

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Originally Posted by Cymmina

I agree with the sentiment behind most of what you say, but I don't get your fixation with MV. Helix spells just aren't a big enough deal that MV is worth caring about. Even before it was nerfed, it wasn't "good". Fixing MV is significantly less important than giving SCH a legitimate place in a party or alliance. Even if they fixed MV enough that it was worth using/meriting like you so desperately want, it won't make us any more desirable than we already are.

And for the record, BLMs did bitch and moan to no end back at 75 after Kaeko showed how "good" SCH could be, and demanded SCH get their Tier4s taken away because it steps on BLM toes. Of course, everyone looks the other way when it's pointed out that automatons get tier4/5s and easily outnuked most BLMs at 75. Automatons have cure5/6, too, but can't be reliably used as a healer.

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I know Black Mages bitched, I said I don't hear it so much from them. Though maybe I've gone soft on them because they finally managed to shut up and SE actually balanced Scholar with them pretty damn well.

As for Modus. You're joking right? Helices don't do enough damage... Christ, be glad I got most of that ranting out the way.
Back when it actually worked, I was pulling off 200~300 damage Helices which is some godly damage for 78MP. When I added merited Modus Veritas to the mix it was even better, roughly 12% better unless my Modus Maths is off (which it damn well could be). Now I can manage 400~500 damage Helices regularly and I'm blocked from making that better because SE decided to make the ability completely worthless.
Back when MP efficiency actually mattered they were the best damage/MP nukes in the game. Even though that's a completely moot point now - apart from completely countering your out right ignorance for how great they were - they're still pretty damn good. You'd be an idiot not to supplement a one minute nuking barrage with a Helix, unless you don't want to deal an extra 2k~4k damage with virtually no MP, time or hate cost at all. In which case more power to you.

No, fixing it won't make Scholar more desirable, I'm complaining more at the fact that they've completely broken something and had the grand pleasure of ignoring it for nearly a year (or has it been longer?). I mean honestly, how does that even happen. Unless they're completely ignoring the damn job I can't see another explanation. I could just as easily highlight "Why did you even add Libra?" or "Why the hell does Libra have such a short range on it?" or even better "Why did you adjust the range on Accomplice/etc. and leave Libra as it is?" Seriously, they were in their adjusting the range of abilities - presumably so Thief could use them on Mages without having to move - but completely ignored the fact that Scholar has to run into AoE to use a damn near worthless ability.

To sum up what I'm saying;
If they can't be asked to change one damn number in their coding to make Libra usable - though still fairly worthless - why would they bother implementing something that could be called a breakthrough?