Scholar adjustments: Recall and Retrace

[Edyth]

I think scholar should get Recall and Retrace. In my opinion it makes more sense for scholars to get those spells than white and black mages. Scholars are mages from that time period, and anyone who's completed Survival of the Wisest knows that scholars are tied to the past and have been eradicated (with the exception of adventurers who travel through time). So, scholars retracing others to the past and recalling their age of glory makes more sense than WHMs and BLMs doing this. Also, I do think that the grimoire HAS to mention the telepoints in Jugner, Meriphataud, and Passhow somewhere in its pages.

Scholars recalling and retracing especially makes sense since they actually have a book to aid in that endeavor (using the words with their real meanings, not their FFXI spell meanings). Also, if Retrace could work with Accession, that'd be just wonderful. But I'd be happy just to get the spells that WHM and BLM shouldn't have gotten anyway, at least not before SCH. I would be ecstatic.

[Elexia]

In before haters.

It does however indeed make sense as you said. Yeah BLM and WHM get teleport and Warps, but Recall and Retrace are indeed a different type, given lore.

[OMEGA_HACK]

It okay, SCH is getting Ultima (via usage of their 2hr), SE said so! (pure speculation as a set spell has not been identified)

[Olor]

I think this is a reasonable request

[Tezz]

+1

I've actually never thought about this, but now i believe it NEEDS to be done. Also, when they add them, they should obtain the spell naturally before BLM & WHM do.

[Tsukino_Kaji]

Not hating on lolsch, but to be honest, you are not a whm or a blm. Sch has it's own way to be played and dose not need to "step on" other jobs more then it already dose.

[Malacite]

Not hating on lolsch, but to be honest, you are not a whm or a blm. Sch has it's own way to be played and dose not need to "step on" other jobs more then it already dose.

Thank you. Glad someone said it. Most of WHM's transportation spells can be used via /WHM now, as can Warp II be used /BLM. Let them at least keep some of their convenience magic.

How about more SCH-only magic instead, and enhancing the potency of Regain because 1/tic doesn't justify the MP & stratagems cost in my eyes. Accession + Haste would also be wonderful.


Actually, SCH is all about studying, learning etc... so how about a spell to increase critical hit rate and/or damage? SCH are master tacticians, which means they should be well versed both in magical and martial implements of war.

[Edyth]

My responses:

To the angry white mage and black mage players: Do you really feel that threatened that Scholars casting Retrace and Recall will make your jobs irrelevant?

To the angry Scholars: Why should I just parrot what every other Scholar is saying? All that stuff has been said and repeated endlessly and many things are inevitable, like Adloquium II and Cure V, in my opinion. Retrace and Recall are things I feel Scholars should have logically, but aren't inevitable because of spell-job trends.

To the people acting like transportation spells are exclusively white mage and black mage affairs: Dark Knight gets Tractor. Of all other magic users, it's Dark Knight that is casting a transportation spell. Preemptive strike on whiners: Yeah, it only works on dead players. So what? That is NOT relevant. That's as irrelevant as the fact that Retrace requires you to have a past nation of affiliation (so what?) or that Recall-Jugner requires the Jugner Gate Crystal (so what?).

To the ridiculous blue mage comment: no monster teleports itself to Whitegate. Blue mages use enemy abilities. Your...argument, if it can be called that, doesn't amount to anything other than fondling in the dark for self-righteous indignation at a logical request.

To the Yuke lover: there is a reason. It makes sense.

[Meyi]

My responses:

To the angry white mage and black mage players: Do you really feel that threatened that Scholars casting Retrace and Recall will make your jobs irrelevant?

Yes. I really don't mind if scholars can retrace or recall themselves -- what other people can do on their own isn't a concern of mine -- but it's the principle of giving Scholar more things that had once been White Mage or Black Mage exclusive. I don't like the feeling of my toes being stepped on, that's all.

To the people acting like transportation spells are exclusively white mage and black mage affairs: Dark Knight gets Tractor. Of all other magic users, it's Dark Knight that is casting a transportation spell. Preemptive strike on whiners: Yeah, it only works on dead players. So what? That is NOT relevant. That's as irrelevant as the fact that Retrace requires you to have a past nation of affiliation (so what?) or that Recall-Jugner requires the Jugner Gate Crystal (so what?).

To the ridiculous blue mage comment: no monster teleports itself to Whitegate. Blue mages use enemy abilities. Your...argument, if it can be called that, doesn't amount to anything other than fondling in the dark for self-righteous indignation at a logical request.

I had forgotten that DRK also get Tractor. That is a good point. However, if anything, that proves that Dark Knight deserves Retrace and warp spells over Scholar because it already has access to one of those spells, while Scholar does not.

That point further continues to that, if Blue Mage is restricted by the lack of monsters having teleport-whitegate, then scholar is also restricted by the fact that it has no native understanding of teleports (crags still existed in the past, they were just closed off) or warp/warp II (home points also existed then). Scholar has no access to any transportation spell and therefore doesn't necessarily deserve the right to recall/retrace.

Edit: Completely off topic, but I was wondering why Alhanelem's personality was so familiar, and now I realize it's Tahn, haha.

[Saefinn]

My responses:

To the angry white mage and black mage players: Do you really feel that threatened that Scholars casting Retrace and Recall will make your jobs irrelevant?

To the angry Scholars: Why should I just parrot what every other Scholar is saying? All that stuff has been said and repeated endlessly and many things are inevitable, like Adloquium II and Cure V, in my opinion. Retrace and Recall are things I feel Scholars should have logically, but aren't inevitable because of spell-job trends.

To the people acting like transportation spells are exclusively white mage and black mage affairs: Dark Knight gets Tractor. Of all other magic users, it's Dark Knight that is casting a transportation spell. Preemptive strike on whiners: Yeah, it only works on dead players. So what? That is NOT relevant. That's as irrelevant as the fact that Retrace requires you to have a past nation of affiliation (so what?) or that Recall-Jugner requires the Jugner Gate Crystal (so what?).

To the ridiculous blue mage comment: no monster teleports itself to Whitegate. Blue mages use enemy abilities. Your...argument, if it can be called that, doesn't amount to anything other than fondling in the dark for self-righteous indignation at a logical request.

To the Yuke lover: there is a reason. It makes sense.

I respect your opinion. I think Recall and Retrace are less important for us, but you're welcome to disagree. Personally I'd prefer people to get into the mindset that SCH is its own job and not a combination of WHM and BLM or a RDM without a sword. I want our exclusives to be given the attention they deserve. I wouldn't complain if we got the spells, but I just don't think they're important enough.