Ther case for -Prep as related to gear ect

I should clarify with careful juggling, I kill 2 Abyssea mobs in 50 seconds. You won't see that without aftermath.

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Originally Posted by Dallas

You have it backwards for trials, Raz. You melee until the timer is ready then use the BP. THat way, the avatar always has the killshot. Then you assault/melee/spirit taker on the next mob.

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MP isn't an issue, neither is killspeed. Predator Claws wait 20-30 seconds until mob dies, find next mob repeat. Melee tends to be unnecesssary and not worth the effort to do, BPs zero out my MP Avatar : +20 atk/+12 MAB is far more useful than a Spirit Taker.

What about inside Abyssea Raz?

PC > dead mob > assault another mob > wait for recast timer > PC > dead mob?

You can kill 2 mobs in Abyssea in 50 seconds...and you don't have to melee either!

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What about inside Abyssea Raz?

PC > dead mob > assault another mob > wait for recast timer > PC > dead mob?

You can kill 2 mobs in Abyssea in 50 seconds...and you don't have to melee either!

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Lol I missed that post, good catch.

Catch 22, melee is only not worthwhile because you aren't putting in the time to get +70 acc/att. I will have capped staff skill for L95 in approximately a week. I spent the time because it is worthwhile.

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Catch 22, melee is only not worthwhile because you aren't putting in the time to get +70 acc/att. I will have capped staff skill for L95 in approximately a week. I spent the time because it is worthwhile.

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No it's not worthwhile because anything a SMN can reliably melee is dying so fast I barely would have time to engage it, before needing to move on.

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No it's not worthwhile because anything a SMN can reliably melee is dying so fast I barely would have time to engage it, before needing to move on.

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I'm certain your definition of reliable is pathetic. Let's try this way: whatever two of you could reliably duo without resummoning is what I can reliably melee. Let's not ever consider anything you can melee.

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I'm certain your definition of reliable is pathetic. Let's try this way: whatever two of you could reliably duo without resummoning is what I can reliably melee. Let's not ever consider anything you can melee.

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Thats pretty much a list of things that will die so fast there's no point in drawing your staff.

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Thats pretty much a list of things that will die so fast there's no point in drawing your staff.

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You make no sense. Do you always jump to assuming you are twice as strong as yourself? Not until you can melee...

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You make no sense. Do you always jump to assuming you are twice as strong as yourself? Not until you can melee...

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I'm going to assume this discussion take place in Abyssea as it's the only place an Avatar can last a full fight on anything >IT++, and I'm going to answer in terms of NMs as there's nothing really that will survive 2 BP: Rages.

You said anything 2 SMNs can duo in a single Summoning you can melee, well thats a list of things that will die extremely fast unless a) It's powerful and you're using tank Atmas or b) the duoing SMNs are spamming healing pacts.

The problems that arise here for a) either both SMNs will use a full Damage Atma build and just stagger BPS/resummons to tear it down quick, or one Summoner will have a Tank build while the other will be using a full damage build, the mob will also go down very quickly anyway. Both of these would go faster than you meleeing as you would need at least some tanking atmas to make an Avatar last a full fight against all but the weakest NMs.

And for b) Both of these Summoners would still be able to use at least 2 DD atmas a piece, and still be able to keep an Avatar out the entire fight, seeing as they would have a partner Avatar to help lessen the damage each are taking between Healing Pacts, whereas a solo melee SMN relying on their pet to last the entire fight will need at least 2 tanking atmas to make this happen.