Raise the minimum allowable job level in Abyssea from 30 to 70+

Its interesting to read the new player thread and see the issues that they have with Abyss.

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Originally Posted by Ryland

I agree completely.

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i actually did put in another post to place u in abyssea as a new char in a party with 10 stones and 120 min so u changing my post is a lil retatred lol but like i said have fun your way

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Originally Posted by Ryland

Yeah let's pull arbitrary numbers out of our ass and throw them around as great ideas! Yeah! How about we ban 93% of the players who don't use gear swaps, and leave the last 7% for lulz! Yeah!

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Sarcasm Fail

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Originally Posted by Greatguardian

http://www.ffxiah.com/player/Alexander/Pikachuninetail

Confirmed WHM and SCH 90 at the least.

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son of a biscuit eater, on my server nonetheless

Why do people still care about leeching? At this point, full alliances and parties only proved to be LESS efficient than small groups. Two people can crush the hell out of some Dominion OPs and allow friends to leech. Nothing wrong about it, since these same friends will eventually return the favor.

If leeching and key are an issue, just stop joining pickup Abyssea groups? It's way more pleasant, productive and easy to manage with LS friends.

Some will say that new players will not learn the job. I don't care about new players. Most of the time I do stuff solo or with friends anyway. Increasing the min level would just force me to play with people I don't care about, turning the game less fun.

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Originally Posted by Ezikiel

i actually did put in another post to place u in abyssea as a new char in a party with 10 stones and 120 min so u changing my post is a lil retatred lol but like i said have fun your way

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Wait, am I a new char as in level 1, or level 30? Either way I'm leeching exp so much faster than I'd be gaining any in an old school party, so I'm probably getting a chub in said party.

i got my whm from 40-90 in a couple of days~

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Originally Posted by Kailea_Nagisa

to get this back on track some..... my argument is based off the thinking that getting to max level from leeching breeds bad players, people who do not understand the job well, prove me wrong on this and I will be glad to drop my argument, and even try this "leeching" myself. (videos, pics, something)

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This argument isn't yours, it's actually one of the main ones proposed by the people wishing to increase the level cap.

I'm not going to go into great detail about why I think it's a dismissible argument, I doubt that you'll be swayed either way, but I'll say this. Jobs in FFXI aren't hard, they can easily be picked up in the course of skilling up, or even just leveling a prior job. It's not leeching that breeds bad players, it is ignorance, such as the ignorance displayed by Ezikiel. You will find that there is always a percentage of players who are inferior and unswayed by logical arguments. Most people who engage in leeching already fit one of two categories, those who understand the game mechanics and those who blatantly ignore them. I'd hazard a guess that 90% of the people leeching have leveled via the old method, and have already taken on one of these two roles prior to abyssea.

If this argument was proposed 9 years ago, when the game was new, I could easily see myself being persuaded by some of these arguments, but now there's so few new players that it doesn't make an iota of difference. All Square have done is remove the tedium from leveling a job.

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Originally Posted by Kailea_Nagisa

to get this back on track some..... my argument is based off the thinking that getting to max level from leeching breeds bad players, people who do not understand the job well, prove me wrong on this and I will be glad to drop my argument, and even try this "leeching" myself. (videos, pics, something) Hell for all I know, my stubbornness on this topic could be from me not playing for a year. (just started about a week ago)

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This is going to sound really arrogant but hey

I was a 42BLU less than a month ago. Now I have all of my relevant spells (and only lacking 7 completionist ones overall), 2/5 AF3+2 while only lacking a small number of items to make that 4/5 AF3+2, an Almace, and you can ask me anything you want about BLU. I regularly solo aoe burn which is not something I see many BLUs doing at all, and can easily kill 15+ mobs entirely solo without temp items.

My NIN I've had longer but has a nigh perfect TP set (no Usukane Feet) and is fairly strong all-round - biggest weakness being my 2nd Katana (though I tend to dagger/katana anyway until Hi since Evis >>> Jin and Twilight Knife has very strong DoT in areas where accuracy is not a consideration). Again you can ask me anything you want!

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Originally Posted by Ryland

Wait, am I a new char as in level 1, or level 30? Either way I'm leeching exp so much faster than I'd be gaining any in an old school party, so I'm probably getting a chub in said party.

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i truly hink u should be allowed in at lvl 1 skip the BS