[dev1007] Voidwatch: Obtaining Spoils

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Originally Posted by Nynja

Its the right idea, but implemented very poorly. I've used this example three times allready, and because you clearly dont read the thread, I'll post it again.

You're in salvage...You kill Qiqirn Treasure Hunter...Macha's Coat drops.
Instead of casting lots, so the person who you want to get that rare item that finally dropped after going 0/100...the game randomly assigns it to someone. The person who gets it doesnt even have any mage jobs leveled. The group forces them to hold the macha's coat in storage instead of tossing or storing it.

40 runs later...
You defeat the Qiqirn Treasure Hunter.
You find a Macha's Coat on the Qiqirn Treasure Hunter.
The Macha's Coat was lost...because the game decided to auto-lot it to that person who allready had it.

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I totally understand your point, not sure how reading the rest of the thread would make a difference to be honest. You'd assume they'd be adjusting drop rates upwards to compensate for that 1/6 (or w/e your group size is) chance you might be subjected to with an individual pool in an event like Salvage. Seems they haven't done it quite right in the case of Voidwatch from what I'm reading. So again, the main issue seems to be drop rates, If you can manage to dissociate other people's loot pools from your own wants (hard concept after years of shared loot pools I know). People do make an interesting point about R/E items dropping to the same people mutliple times though, what happened to the Abyssea system where R/E items don't drop if everyone in the group (in voidwatch just yourself) already has them? I'm guessing it was a bit of a pain to implement in Voidwatch for individual pools.

/poke /poke /poke

Dear development staff,

You still need to fix the Voidwatch loot distribution system!

It's great that you're allowing us to use "symbols" in the headers for Macros, and I love that you're planning to prevent the Paralyze effect from causing Item loss ... nice ideas, really, and long overdue.

But COME ON! Maybe not everyone would agree, but those aforementioned "fixes" rate about ... a "1" on a scale of "1 to 5" where 5 means "really good, highly desired and needed fix".

Fix Voidwatch loot distribution. Make it a priority, seriously, please.

We just simply don't need all those Teak Logs, Beech Logs, Gold Ores, Mythril Ingots, Ebony Logs, and Platinum Ores. We really don't.
By NO means am I suggesting anything radical like a 40 or 50% drop rate on the best, most uncommon loot. I don't want "easy mode" ... so "inb4" any of those comments. I want to enjoy the challenge of Voidwatch, and I want to be excited and have a sense of accomplishment when I do receive a "really good" loot item. But I KNOW I am not being unreasonable when I say the drop rate on said loot should DEFINITELY be in the 10-15% range ... and not the 1-3% range that we're currently all experiencing.

S-E FFXI team, please fix Voidwatch ... and please don't wait until 2014 to do it.

Thanks

Not reading every post so may be saying stuff thats been stated...

Overall I think the concepts behind voidwatch is really good but the major problems with it most lie around the loot system.

The ability to not pool the rare/ex items atleast with the "cost to participate" discourages people from helping. Why would you pay (stone cost) to fight a mob when you want nothing and can not give the items you didn't want to others. Atleast if they could give their items away they would have some incentive to participate. This also means the few who have access to spawn the mob don't keep fighting the mob till everyone has what they want they move on as soon as they are done with the mob.

Also, if your not going to allow moving the rare/ex items to pool then why allow the same item to drop multiple times. This becomes extremely frustrating on the person recieving and to the rest especially those wanting the items. The more you discourage people again less chance they are going to participate.

The mobs difficulty is not an issue whats so ever I have done every t3 Jeuno and most can be done in a matter of minutes with a good group, they problem comes from having some triggers that are near impossible to work such as sch abilities that either have long wait times (modus veritas) that doesnt even land when used or giving BLU a ton of staggers so they aren't capable of having most set for the fight (which was an issue for abys on non timed mobs so why bring it back on timed mobs).

And lastly the drop rate with capped lights and the cells MOST the time your still not going to get some of the better loot. Normally I wouldn't care with poor drop rates but in a system where your limited by a popping cost (the stones) then your almost required to pay some sort of currency (the cells) and lastly did the work of getting the staggers (not just killing the mob) to not get back anything but trash drops is a bit insulting which again discourages people from participating.

I have not read the full 25 page thread here so my apologies for any redundant feedback. If I am repeating anything someone else said let me know the post number and I will like that post with the vigor of an antican phalanx raiding a picnic.
I agree with those calling for a change to voidwatch (and by extension the new walk of echos) treasure distribution system. The 'chests for everyone' concept is golden, but the implementation dose not seem well thought out. It is a horrid hybrid beast of the new and vibrant system that is yet to be completed and the undead husk of the old unbalanced system.
The low rate items appear in these chests is one issue. I was under the impression from abyssea and the changes to dynamis and salvage that the days of endlessly spamming content for .5% drop rate item was over. I rather liked that idea and it disheartens me to see reports of how scarce the better weapons from voidwatch chapter two are. Is it not the purpose of targeting weakness to be able to work for your items and put effort in for a noticeable increase at the chance for the desired items? Needing to repeatedly target weaknesses and trade ascendance items to upgrade your light potency to 350% for a 1% chance at the desired item spits in the face of that concept.
The most frustrating thing is seeing great items go to people who cannot make use of them. Recently in a battle against Qilin I was hoping NOT to get faijin boots or coruscanti so it wouldn't depress thieves present that someone with a mere 220 dagger skill and only subjob level thief and ranger got an item they desired so much. Likewise I am thrilled to be the owner of an omphalos bullet but the two sceamol bands were treasure I was significantly less enthusiastic to find. There is just no sense in seeing items you can't equip on ANY of your jobs or rare items that you already own and can't even remove from the chests.

I propose before beginning a battle with this style of reward we are allowed to chose which items we want to work for. A simple selection at the planar rifts (or verticle conflux in walk of echos) comprised of: armor, weapons, accessories, and magian trial upgrade items, would be great for taking some of the randomness out of the system and maybe spur on the community at large to embrace these events which seem to have a lukewarm reception.
I do NOT believe the ability to pool items would be healthy since if you chose to keep something your companions dubbed irrelevant for you there would be a heavy stigma of greed associated with not pooling items -if there is going to be an element of luck to it don't make the players responsible for placing a bandage on the misfortune of those around them- real friends will find a way to help regardless.


P.S. Please take it easy on the death and zombie curse dev team. I'm glad you guys are exploring new design space, but that stuff is seriously not fun when it's in every other fight.

SE doesn't care on what each individual can get, they care on the global rate of armor distribution on a whole server. For them wether a "good gear" (let's assume that exists) goes to a gimp with the wrong jobs leveled instead of the guy that has an empy, a relic and a mythic in the job doesn't matter.

If the game can tabulate your amount of Zeni based on how many stupid photographs you give to a NPC, and can tabulate your amount of Therion Ichor based on your victories in Einherjar ... then there is NO reason that S-E can't or shouldn't implement a similar system for Voidwatch loot.

"Void Points" (or whatever the hell you'd like to call them) could be awarded for each victory in Voidwatch. The more difficult VWNM's would award larger amounts of "Void Points". "Capping your lights" would award slightly more "Void Points". S-E could implement a daily cap on the number of times one can be awarded "Void Points" for each VWNM (this would prevent groups from spam-killing the really weak VWNM's for Points).

Then, the player exchanges his/her "Void Points" for items.

I do not see why this wouldn't work or shouldn't be implemented.

The current system for Voidwatch loot is absolute crap, and everyone knows it. It's really too bad, too, because (outside of Temporary Items abuse) many of the Voidwatch battles are challenging and can be fun.

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Originally Posted by Elanabelle

"Void Points" (or whatever the hell you'd like to call them) could be awarded for each victory in Voidwatch. The more difficult VWNM's would award larger amounts of "Void Points". "Capping your lights" would award slightly more "Void Points". S-E could implement a daily cap on the number of times one can be awarded "Void Points" for each VWNM (this would prevent groups from spam-killing the really weak VWNM's for Points).

Then, the player exchanges his/her "Void Points" for items.

I do not see why this wouldn't work or shouldn't be implemented.

The current system for Voidwatch loot is absolute crap, and everyone knows it. It's really too bad, too, because (outside of Temporary Items abuse) many of the Voidwatch battles are challenging and can be fun.

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The loot system isn't crap. People just hate not being in control of who gets what or how many times.
Oh, and logs logs logs. People hate logs. Except woodworkers.

Even with a point system, you will still not be able to just buy anything. Taking Einherjar as an example,
you could buy crafting items to make a Nefer Kalasiris, but you would not be able to buy a Heka's Kalasiris.
Accesories such as (ear)rings or Deluxe Animator, but not any armor or weapons.

Personally, I think it would be better if SE gave an option to peek into the chest first, and if you don't like the looks of it, send it back into the void and get 1 heavy metal for it. Possible a few more if there's rare/ex stuff in it. It might require some balancing, so that metal drop rate is adjusted based on the popularity of the NM. VW officers could give NMs a priority, and extra metal droprate would improve or decrease based on this priority ranking. Killing a NM often lowers it's priority rank, leaving one alone increases it's priority rank.

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Originally Posted by Kristal

Personally, I think it would be better if SE gave an option to peek into the chest first, and if you don't like the looks of it, send it back into the void and get 1 heavy metal for it. Possible a few more if there's rare/ex stuff in it. It might require some balancing, so that metal drop rate is adjusted based on the popularity of the NM. VW officers could give NMs a priority, and extra metal droprate would improve or decrease based on this priority ranking. Killing a NM often lowers it's priority rank, leaving one alone increases it's priority rank.

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I was thinking maybe add the option to send the chest back, and in return you get 100% all lights capped on your next fight. That'd be a pretty solid temporary fix.

The main reason SE isn't do anything in regards to item drop rates atm is probably because they're still screwing around with difficulty levels of the fights.

Once they've managed to hit a nice level of difficulty for VW then we can expect them to turn to drop rates, and change the drop rate to reflect the difficulty level.

Right now as of white procc and fanatics/fools, VW is set to super easy mode, and I'm sure SE is going to turn the difficulty up a bit more with each update until we get a nice level. Once we hit that I'm sure we can expect something to help with drop rates to reflect difficulty level. Until then it's hard to do anything about drop rate when there's no difficulty level to reflect off of.

Edit: Actually now after going through the voidtone thread, I think there's an even more perfect solution:

Add the ability to destroy your chest instead of take anything out of it, and in return you don't use up your voidstone, and you only get the equivalent rewards as if you had never used the stone in the first place.

This would extend the use of our voidstones and make getting double drops a lot less worse, while also giving us a psuedo secondary reward, which is basically a new voidstone in a way from the chest.

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Originally Posted by Camate

I didn't forget about you guys! I’ve been discussing all of your concerns and comments with the team regarding the Voidwatch drop system, and it has taken some time to reach a final conclusion.

It was decided that there will not be any fundamental changes to the drop system to make it possible to add item drops to the treasure pool, as the team does not believe this is not where the main crux of the problem lies.

However! The development team will be making adjustments in the future to reduce the overall length of each battle. In addition, when they add more chapters to the Voidwatch system, and introduce even stronger monsters, the drop rates for these tougher challenges will be increased beyond what is currently in place.

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Camata, maybe the Dev Team dont' understands the frustrations the playbase have with the Loot System. And here's how you can tell them how the playerbase feels:

Tell them to go "POUND SAND". THAT is exactly how we feels right now.

I think most of us feels like we are freaking talking to a wall here with all the feedbback that we are giving. It's CLEAR that they are so detached with the playerbase that they should NOT be developing anything for us anymore. Seriously, just let the game die. That's how I feel at this point.

Sorry that you're taking on all the heat and I understands you're just the messenger.

Greetings!

We will be implementing the below adjustments to Voidwatch during this week’s test server update.

• Addition of same battle content as Route: Jeuno 2 - Fort Karugo-Narugo [S] to Beaucedine Glacier.
  ※Beaudedine Glacier has been added to the list of teleports offered by the Atmacite Refiner.
  ※The above addition is a provisional change.

• The below monsters’ AoE damage to non-targeted players (※) will be lowered.
  ※Amount of damage dealt to pets will also be lowered.
  
  <table width="580" border="0" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1" class="ta01"><tr valign="middle" align="center" class="th01"><td width="30%" align="center" class="th01" bgcolor="#a8d0d7">Route</td><td width="30%" align="center" class="th01" bgcolor="#a8d0d7">Battle Area</td><td width="40%" align="center" class="th01" bgcolor="#a8d0d7">Monster Name</td></tr><tr valign="middle" align="center" class="td01"><td bgcolor="#c6e9ef">Route: San d’Oria</td><td bgcolor="#eaf2f3"> King Ranperre's Tomb </td><td bgcolor="#eaf2f3">Hahava</td></tr><tr valign="middle" align="center" class="td01"><td bgcolor="#c6e9ef">Route: Bastok</td><td bgcolor="#f5fafb">Dangruf Wadi</td><td bgcolor="#f5fafb">Celaeno</td></tr><tr valign="middle" align="center" class="td01"><td bgcolor="#c6e9ef">Route: Windurst</td><td bgcolor="#eaf2f3"> Outer Horutoto Ruins </td><td bgcolor="#eaf2f3">Voidwrought</td></tr><tr valign="middle" align="center" class="td01"><td bgcolor="#c6e9ef" rowspan="3">Route: Jeuno</td><td bgcolor="#f5fafb">Qufim Island </td><td bgcolor="#f5fafb">Kaggen</td></tr><tr valign="middle" align="center" class="td01"><td bgcolor="#eaf2f3">Lower Delkfutt's Tower </td><td bgcolor="#eaf2f3">Akvan</td></tr><tr valign="middle" align="center" class="td01"><td bgcolor="#f5fafb">Behemoth’s Dominion</td><td bgcolor="#f5fafb">Pil</td></tr><tr valign="middle" align="center" class="td01"><td bgcolor="#c6e9ef" rowspan="3">Route: Zilart</td><td bgcolor="#eaf2f3">Ru'Aun Gardens </td><td bgcolor="#eaf2f3">Aello</td></tr><tr valign="middle" align="center" class="td01"><td bgcolor="#f5fafb">Ve'Lugannon Palace </td><td bgcolor="#f5fafb">Uptala</td></tr><tr valign="middle" align="center" class="td01"><td bgcolor="#eaf2f3">The Shrine of Ru'Avitau </td><td bgcolor="#eaf2f3">Qilin</td></tr><tr valign="middle" align="center" class="td01"><td bgcolor="#c6e9ef" rowspan="5">Route: Jeuno 2</td><td bgcolor="#f5fafb">Grauberg [S]</td><td bgcolor="#f5fafb">Ocythoe</td></tr><tr valign="middle" align="center" class="td01"><td bgcolor="#eaf2f3">Vunkerl Inlet [S]</td><td bgcolor="#eaf2f3">Gaunab</td></tr><tr valign="middle" align="center" class="td01"><td bgcolor="#f5fafb"> Fort Karugo-Narugo [S] <br>Beaucedine Glacier </td><td bgcolor="#f5fafb">Kalasutrax</td></tr><tr valign="middle" align="center" class="td01"><td bgcolor="#eaf2f3">Valkurm Dunes </td><td bgcolor="#eaf2f3">Ig-Alima</td></tr><tr valign="middle" align="center" class="td01"><td bgcolor="#f5fafb">Buburimu Peninsula </td><td bgcolor="#f5fafb">Botulus Rex</td></tr></table>

We will continue to make adjustments as we see how the current AoE damage adjustments affect battles going forward, so please be sure to submit any feedback you have.

Sounds good :)

So kalasutrax exists in the present and in the past :O. That's pretty boss.

Probably because he glitches PS2/X-box users really badly in Fort K/N and this is the simplest fix, lol.

here i was, waiting for a reply to my post only to find out it had been deleted. i am greatly saddened. and camate, youre still off topic even if my post did get deleted.

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Originally Posted by Deathbeckons

here i was, waiting for a reply to my post only to find out it had been deleted. i am greatly saddened. and camate, youre still off topic even if my post did get deleted.

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Couldn't have happened to a nicer guy.

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Originally Posted by Camate

Greetings!

We will be implementing the below adjustments to Voidwatch during this week’s test server update.
We will continue to make adjustments as we see how the current AoE damage adjustments affect battles going forward, so please be sure to submit any feedback you have.

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Will you be fixing the hate system so that there is no cap? Or will we continue to die in one hit with out fanatics or full -dt from tp moves because paladins are useless outside of their proc and the first 30 seconds until everyone is hate capped and it wanders around hitting who ever hit him last?

Is khomoldo going to CS meteor harder then flan?

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Originally Posted by Deathbeckons

here i was, waiting for a reply to my post only to find out it had been deleted. i am greatly saddened. and camate, youre still off topic even if my post did get deleted.

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/comfort

You can always spam the report button on his posts. It doesn't help but it always makes me feel better.

I still dont understand why making an option "Add to lottable spoils" is so impossible for voidwatch

they already did it with abyssea gold chests >.>
i could be beating a dead horse but cmon

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Originally Posted by Dawnn

I still dont understand why making an option "Add to lottable spoils" is so impossible for voidwatch

they already did it with abyssea gold chests >.>
i could be beating a dead horse but cmon

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Abyssea chests are accessible by all who were in exp range. Adding the loot to the pool is a convenience. In Voidwatch, that would be the equivalent of rolling 18 dice until you got one you liked.

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Originally Posted by Kristal

that would be the equivalent of rolling 18 dice until you got one you liked.

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That's why it's a great idea :)

18 die to roll...

you can get 17 logs, and one good item!

Can't believe people aren't keeping up with the protests about the loot system. Or perhaps we've all had the life sapped out of our souls and just can't be bothered any more. :/

It really needs to be fixed, and I've been thinking, the drops rates don't really need to be increased by a huge amount. Not sure if this has been mentioned before anywhere, but in particular it would help if the item groupings were split up a bit. A typical VWNM, say, Kaggen has four main drops. These are the body, the rare accessory (belt) and the more common accessory (Mantis Eye), as well as Heavy Metal Plates.

As it stands now, all four of these items are in the same grouping, and then there's a secondary grouping of other items (what we all know affectionately as "NPC fodder"). So you get a body, one of the accs, a Heavy Metal or nothing. It would be beneficial if HM (along with Riftcinder/Riftdross on higher tiers) was in a group of its own, all accessories were in a group of their own and then you have the rarest drop - the body or gloves etc. - in its own grouping.

It helps both people trying to get drops and it helps the supply of Heavy Metal - more out there for people to buy / upgrade with. I am honestly so frustrated with Voidwatch right now and I know friends are too. There has to be a better solution SE can bring to the table than, "Get a body. Get more to drop and destroy the box for a token. Collect five to give your friend a drop they don't have the luck to get themselves!".

The sheer chance of getting one body to drop is miniscule. How are people expected to get one, and then another five or six so they can give tokens to friends?

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Originally Posted by Aequis

perhaps we've all had the life sapped out of our souls and just can't be bothered any more. :/

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People have given up, VW on Asura is at an all time low for anything but progression. In the end as long as the trend of decline continues SE will eventually be forced to play their hand when the event (the main method to keep us playing since Nyzul 2.0 is more or less a flop) isn't holding players attention anymore. There are so many ways things could be improved drop rates are one but suggestions have ranged from distrobution methods, to Voidstone availability, greater range of drop monsters (HMP on T4+ Jeuno etc.) yet in the dozens of options to ease the issue not even one has been considered. What little feedback we've gotten has been NO.

The developers have said they wish to have us move to XIV and their actions have shown that. However, I think more people will be willing to change when FFXI dies so long as its quiet and peaceful. If it dies of a flesh eating virus people will be less inclined to move. (The less metaphor version - people wont want to go to XIV if they leave XI pissed off, rather than sad to see it go. This is all assuming XIV 2.0 makes a massive recovery.)

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The developers have said they wish to have us move to XIV and their actions have shown that. However, I think more people will be willing to change when FFXI dies so long as its quiet and peaceful. If it dies of a flesh eating virus people will be less inclined to move. (The less metaphor version - people wont want to go to XIV if they leave XI pissed off, rather than sad to see it go. This is all assuming XIV 2.0 makes a massive recovery.)

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If people wanted to move to FFXIV, they would have by now. FFXI players are attached to their avatars and in game friends and would rather continue to develop that then start anew. I agree that if forced to move by ongoing mismanagement, most people would likely just quit. Certainly I won't pick up another MMORPG after my playtime on FFXI is over. And certainly I won't go to FFXIV given how frustrating SE has been with FFXI since Abyssea's heyday concluded.

0/300 on Toci's Harness. The same guys gets Toci's 2 kills in a row, 1/56 & 2/57. Yes, it's working as intended. Tanaka needs to be sacked from SE, he is causing frustration to a lot of EG players. What SE seem to completely have forgotten is that this is a game. And people want to have FUN playing it. With the shitty loot system in VW, they've definitely killed the fun in the game. Seeing a drop like the rare bodies go to the same person twice, when 17 others in the alliance are wanting it, after hundreds of kills, is just a slap right in the face of every player. Thanks SE, and thanks again for ignoring the player's complaints. We're very please it all works as intended. Doesn't matter how much you grind for an item, it's all down to luck. Yes, that is called rewarding your players. By pure luck, regardless how much you effort you put in.

I was just thinking about this... In our LS we've gotten a decent amount of Mekira bodies (for example) over time because people absolutely spammed the content in and out of LS. However, what are we to do when 1-2 people still need it? It sucks to have to continue spamming the same content over and over and have to beat the random number generator twice.

With old content, you had to beat the RNG once to have the item drop, and again to have high lot (or have some kind of agreed-upon lotting system). With VW, regardless of how much you do it, you're never any closer because your LS mates cannot pass you the item.

In the past, if something had a 1/8 drop rate and 18 people wanted it, you'd have an expected value of 8 x 18 = 144 kills to get everybody the drop. Roughly. With VW, it's still a 1/144 drop rate but it never gets better as other people get their items.

I can only hope that the ticket system is implemented and implemented well.

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In the past, if something had a 1/8 drop rate and 18 people wanted it, you'd have an expected value of 8 x 18 = 144 kills to get everybody the drop. Roughly. With VW, it's still a 1/144 drop rate but it never gets better as other people get their items

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This. This. This. THIS.

Do you see this Square? do you SEE why your idiotic "Well, Theres 18 people, So we lowered the drop rate Significantly to balance it!" Logic is so Horrible?

I want SE To do Voidwatch for about 1 month, Non-stop, and i want them to tell us how they feel when they join Pick up group after Pick up group, going 0/400+ On the Item they want like almost HALF of us here have, and have that one guy in the party who goes "HUR HUR MY THIRD BODY LOL I CANT EVEN USE IT, AND IM 3/12 NOW!" If they're not foaming at the mouth and want to jump into the computer, Find that guy, and rip out his throat and feed it to his family, they're not human.

Thats the feeling i get every time i see someone get a second/third body, or go 1/4 or less on it. I can't be happy for some joe who's put in 30 minutes of work and tripping bodies while Im sitting on the breaking point and swearing to god if i Get another Mantis Eye I'm going to do things I'll end up in a Mental hospital for.

So, My breakdown asde, Allow us to Give other people our drops, Just do it. Are you people so afraid of someone actually GETTING their drop and moving on to the next of 20 VWNM's they obviously will need, and the 10 more to come, and Legion, that you can't introduce a system that actually makes the player feel good instead of leaving a dirty taste in their mouth?

Every time i do Kaggen or Pil and open the box to find a Mantis Eye, or a Chakram, I swear i taste Blood and Anger swelling in my throat. This last week I've done kaggen an additional 20 Times, I got 13 Fudging Mantis Eyes out of all of those runs. In all my Total Kaggen runs, about a third of them dropped Mantis Eyes. I'm up to my eyeballs in mantis eyes.

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Can't believe people aren't keeping up with the protests about the loot system. Or perhaps we've all had the life sapped out of our souls and just can't be bothered any more. :/

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Most of us kinda hope the Upcoming Ticket System will not be as absolutely worthless and retarded as they've described to us, especially after all the uproar over how useless it will be.

Karbuncle, my sentiments exactly. I don't think SE ever play the game. While it works 'as intended', they don't seem to understand that having something completely random is very very bad. They just don't understand how frustrating the nature of totally random drops is. Your chance every time is 1/144 or whatever, which doesn't improve no matter how many times you do it, no matter if everyone in your alliance already has the item and it would in other loot cases be 'your turn' for it...

And the ticket system... just don't expect too much, it'll be too little, too late. To expect people to keep doing VW for tickets once they got their hard-earned bodies is insanity on SE's behalf. It's hard enough to get 1 to drop, let alone keep spamming it for more, for a ticket, which isn't even enough for a person to get the body, oh no, if you've bad luck, you'll need 5 tickets, just to make it 'fair'. /sigh

A suggestion, which may have been said before, would be to allow the R&EX items in your chest to be added to the treasure pool if you don't want them, so other can benefit at least, rather than wasting a drop. But only the R&EX, so the pool never fills up (since the rest can be traded/sold anyway).

currently only body out of about 300 runs i got was from bottolous rex wish i could get the one from pil before update

Coudn't we just remove the rare/ex tags from all voidwatch drops?

Yes people will sell them, but so what? How is this going to hurt anyone? What you have planned with your ticket scheme is basically the same thing albeit a longer route of doing it. At least it would give people motivation to go and do voidwatch, which as it stands it's becoming less and less popular very quickly.

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Originally Posted by bigdave

currently only body out of about 300 runs i got was from bottolous rex wish i could get the one from pil before update

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Lucky for you it's basically a common drop lol. Sorry to down you haha. But grats...i still no have 1 :/

I'm about 0/50 on Anything but a Supernal Knife and Gerra's Staff on Botulus >_>. I think I'm going to be a happier person when my account finally expires. This month, When i realized there was just a little fuel left in the tank, I was a little happy, Then I racked up an additional ~60 Voidwatch Kills and still dont have a Single Item i want.

Now, its like pulling teeth, The only reason i bother doing voidwatch anymore is on the off chance maybe, Just maybe, I'll get an Item i want before my account deactivates. Frankly, It won't matter. If this kind of drop system and drop rate continues to be the norm, Even if i get a body, I'm letting my account expire.

Getting really tired of SE ignoring the playerbase, nearly 10 years of them ignoring us on the most severe problems, Its getting old. Back then, I still found enjoyment in the game because of friends, Today, I can't enjoy the game when every NM has Drop rates on par with Pre-Update Salvage, often considered some of the worst Teeth-Pulling drop rates introduced in FFXI.

Its just gotten to the point they've put stalling for time before player enjoyment, I can't even congratulate people who get their VW bodies these days because I'm so bitter than I should have at least 4 by now, and am still sitting at 0. I probably won't even be happy when i get mine, because I'm so bitter from it taking so long, It'll be more of a "About fucking time" instead of a "Yay" moment, and many people feel the same as me.

Square needs to open their eyes and realize they're driving people away, If the game continues on this path, it'll be near empty within a year. People can only take so much punishment before they say f**k off.

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Originally Posted by Karbuncle

Square needs to open their eyes and realize they're driving people away, If the game continues on this path, it'll be near empty within a year. People can only take so much punishment before they say f**k off.

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They will then have succeeded in their mission. FFXI servers will be shut down and the entire team can focus on keeping XIV from sinking the entire company.


Sad as it is I see no other explanation especially since the JP/EU forums are also upset about the same issues. Vanafest is 2 days because they will be announcing the end of XI and day 1 will be 10 year annivesary, day 2 will be the funeral. I challenge SE to publicly state otherwise. On a slightly unrelated note, when they do announce the termination of XI I vote they up all drop rates to 100% for the last 2-6 months or w/e warning time they give. That way people can at least leave knowing they had those items with maybe a few nice screen shots. (Remember SE happy players are far more likely to consider forgiving XI and possibly buying future products ever again, however for most people that's a big MAYBE.)

The only drop I don't have atm that I really wanted is a Coruscanti, but after looking at the testing results on it i'm just thinking it's no longer worth it >.>

And the only way I can see FFXI being saved is an expansion being announced, and due to some of the .dats they added recently, it might just be likely.

@zinato

Yeah, they'd really spend tens of thousands of dollars on venue rental, publicity, and staffing for Vanafest 2012 only to lead up to an announcement of the game's termination. That logic is not of this earth.

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Originally Posted by Mahoro

@zinato
That logic is not of this earth.

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That would be in line with how they've done things but, seriously. I know sarcasm doesn't transfer through text but, Perhaps I should have made even grander ideas of doomsday to get my point across. I was hoping the word Funeral in reference to a game was the give away. I don't blame you my wording was bad.

IF your doing VW for the main reason of getting the body armor or coru, your doing it wrong. There are other various rewards. Ok cool you got a toci harness, you basically gained nothing but a glowing piece of armor...not job breaking. Same with coru, it's not going to change the job. Go make a relic or mythic or something if you want progression. I am happy with all the metals and gil I get from the event, and If a good piece drops to me, then cooooool. Noone can honestly say after 500+ VW kills, you havent walked away with atleast 80-100 mil lol.

I can. In all my voidwatch, I've probably made only about ~20 mil. My luck is terrible.

"You shouldn't be doing Voidwatch for the good Voidwatch drops". Really? REALLY?. If thats the logic you need to apply to an event in order to make it acceptable thats failed event, and failed logic.

For the record though, I didn't start doing Voidwatch for Mekira or Toci's, I began doing it for their other drops. I actually wanted the Chakram, and Phasmida Belt.. But i got those in maybe 20 Runs total. Its the other 380 Or so that I was going for the Body. I also got Fajin Boots and that Necklace from Qilin, within again, about 20 runs. Still no lux or Coru, but I've given up on both of those since Coru's effects is balls and a Flame Thock is better.

I think it took me about 70 Guanabs to get my Athos' Hat, I went 1/16 on Athos' Legs, 1/55 on Athos Feet, and 1/24 on Athos Gloves. Still about 0/something on Athos Body though.

I can get the common drops, Hell, I've blown up about 20 Chakrams and Mantis Eyes each, None of that Matters, You wouldn't clap and cheer for getting floor 40 Nyzul Armor any more than you would getting another Mantis Eye. Getting 10k a Run in Synth Mats when you blow 30k a run on Voiddust is a shallow victory, and does not make up for the fact you're 0/400+ On the things you actually want, namely - Toci's, Mekira, Athos Tabard, etc.

Also to mention, Of those ~70 or so Guanabs i did, never got Ogier's Legs. On all the above, the only rare drop i got was the Athos. Never even saw a pair of Brego gloves. In fact, in all of my voidwatch fights, I have literally never gotten a Money Drop, like (R) Armor. I've gotten a HM-Pouch Twice though.

-Oh, And before i forget, On the 200 Some of Pil runs I've done, I've never gotten the Feet armor either, Which is something I've wanted. And I've done Ig-alima a good 50-60 Times and never got an Ogier's Surcoat either, which is actually more common than Toci's/Mekira. I've gotten all the NQ Drops that no one wants (Scythe, NQ GS, Sword), but nothing actually worth-while. 0/60 isn't a big deal really on Ig, But just thought I'd bring up that I'm not only targeting Toci's/Mekira, Its just the only good drop from those two, and the ones I'm currently the worst on.

So yah. I've gotten a few Voidwatch drops, But that is not an excuse to make the one good drop so rare that people can go 0/200+ On them Individually. There needs to be a Ceiling. I don't want Gil, I've already made a Relic, I'm not interested in another Mantis Eye, I want the damn Toci's and Mekira.

We're not asking to be handed the Armor, We just want to know if the System bends us over backwards more than twice the expected drop rate, We'll get our body out of pity.

I don't buy voiddust, if I need stones I convert AN over at 2K a pop. With the campaign changes at 99, farming tons of AN is easy now.