I'm all for difficulty, let's not make another PW or AV please. They were not difficult, they were cheap.
[dev1000] Dynamis Reborn!
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03-13-2011, 06:50 AMIcestein
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03-13-2011, 06:53 AMStarcadeEver consider that, at 75, PW and AV were cheater-detectors?Quote:
Originally Posted by Icestein
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03-13-2011, 06:57 AMIlaxThat always what i figured out of these 2 NM.Quote:
Originally Posted by Starcade
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03-13-2011, 07:00 AMBearstar
Why are ppl changing Dynamis? The only reason Dyna has slowed down is that alot of ppl abandoned it in their haste to get the new AF3. Once things settle down Dynamis will come back. Dynamis is a institution in this game that makes it unique and worth playing. It's a beloved art form, something to take pride in. The world isn't Abyssea. Keep that demention where it belongs. This is vana'deil.
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03-13-2011, 07:03 AMFiarlia/rolls-eyes. Is it possible for you to post anything that isn't belittling to someone else?Quote:
Originally Posted by Wizzbot
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03-13-2011, 07:16 AMIcesteinNo. Shut up.Quote:
Originally Posted by Starcade
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03-13-2011, 07:26 AMIlax
I created a petition thread for anyone who think this update is wrong, they can just sing it up, there no need to talk about anything in that one, is free to sing it or not, no need to give any reason, that can clearly be done in this threat.
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03-13-2011, 07:27 AMIcestein
People always listen to petitions. Always.
This update is the best thing to happen to dynamis since ever. I'm glad for it. -
03-13-2011, 07:39 AMFiarliaStupid idea is stupid. You've created a place where only the people against it can voice their opinions. Way to create a lopsided, biased outlet that only benefits yourself.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ilax
If you really wanted to do something like this, it should've been a sign/anti-sign thread. People against the changes can Anti-Sign, and those for it can Sign to actually give the dev team a clear view on how the playerbase feels. -
03-13-2011, 07:47 AMIlaxPetition is not a survey my friend. This thread is fully open for people to talk about it, not mean everyone are ready to post they deception. And for a company i think is more important to worry about negative impact. I would not see why someone would worry about positive impact seriously.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fiarlia
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03-13-2011, 07:52 AMFiarlia/facepalm.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ilax
The point is that a petition is a stupid idea and only serves to cater to your personal interests. -
03-13-2011, 07:57 AMIlax
Is not my personal interest, i am already owner of mandau, already have most of the AF, our mule now receive RDM hat and THF hand... we are working on 4th relic (yes 2 relic been complete after i got mine done)... I would like to complete relic to every of friend in my linkshell. Yes please if you interest to join us just to get your AF then run away like all the other member we got did in the past, then do it, we never closed the door to anyone in our linkshell, nor we slavered anyone.
is by far not only for my interest.
But for interest of linkshell like mine, to not name all the on on fenrir.
They free to sing up and free to just ignore it. Do what you think is best for you. -
03-13-2011, 08:02 AMMasekaseWait let me get this right you want to help your friends all get a relic. Yet you dont want to make it easier/less time consuming for them to get one. Really call yourself a friend ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ilax
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03-13-2011, 08:06 AMFiarlia
Wow. Just wow.
How it's possible for you to be missing the point so hard is beyond me.
The point is that you do not like the changes for Dynamis. Yes, there are others that share this view. There are also many others who do NOT (as evidenced by this thread and many others). You created a topic where the only people who were able to voice their opinions are the people that share the same personal views as you, as in not wanting the changes.
You are essentially creating a place where SE can only hear one side of the argument, or, if it stays argument free, can only see the people that agree with you, forcing them to either ignore or dig through the various threads to find viewpoints that are not the same as yours.
This is incredibly biased and one-sided. And it serves your personal interests (which is keeping Dynamis unchanged), and completely ignores the ones who welcome the change.
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03-13-2011, 08:07 AMIlaxLess time consuming? Where did you get such of idea? Please explain.Quote:
Originally Posted by Masekase
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03-13-2011, 08:09 AMFiarliaFrom the update notes, because he read and understood them properly.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ilax
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03-13-2011, 08:11 AMIlaxbecause again you look at it the wrong way, I'm not there to tell them why they should refuse it, is why my post was clean and impartial. I did not create a new thread to cause trouble, they are free to sing in with w/e argument they have, i also stated in the post they don't need to shared they reason, that can be done here. You mixing up everything.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fiarlia
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03-13-2011, 08:12 AMMasekaseHmmm cause a linkshell leader could now get 7 days worth of currency instead of 2. Also we dont know if they increasing the time available in there on top of that. Also the new pop nms could yield more currency ie 100sQuote:
Originally Posted by Ilax
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03-13-2011, 08:14 AMIlaximo there enough info released that not making many of us happy.... (I already explained in this thread my worry) And if you think we should just shut up about it, then you just wrong. Is SE and DEV choice to just ignore us, when it come to play the game, is also my choice from this point.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fiarlia
I already know your answer: If you not happy, quit the game. I wish DEV or SE ever say something like that. -
03-13-2011, 08:15 AMRandwolfWondering how long until someone either posts the opposing view in your thread or creates the "We Are In Favor of Dynamis Changes" petition thread.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ilax
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03-13-2011, 08:15 AMIlax7 day 4h long, are you loosing your mind or something?Quote:
Originally Posted by Masekase
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03-13-2011, 08:16 AMFiarlia.....Quote:
Originally Posted by Ilax
Try rereading my post. I'll wait until you can fully understand the words that were written, since it's obvious that you didn't understand any of it at all. -
03-13-2011, 08:17 AMIlaxPetition point the negative feed back of something.Quote:
Originally Posted by Randwolf
How a negative feed back can be done on a positive point?
Are you guy trolling me or something? -
03-13-2011, 08:18 AMMasekase
Now lets make a counter petition or a thank you letter welcoming the update lol
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03-13-2011, 08:19 AMIlaxI don't need to read it, obviously we have different point of view, take it or leave, sing it or not. Even put petition again how ppl are happy, maybe SE will look at it and say: Hey guy quit that right now, too many ppl are happy, we need issue this asap, bunch of income will flood us.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fiarlia
Seriously stop been such of ignorant. -
03-13-2011, 08:22 AMMasekase
[dev1000] Dynamis Reborn!
Adjustments:
Reservations will no longer be required to enter the above areas.
New key items will replace the "Timeless Hourglass" and "Perpetual Hourglass" items needed for entry.
The key items need only be obtained once.
It will be made available at an affordable price via the Goblin NPCs presently dealing in hourglasses.
Time restriction for entry will be changed to once per Earth day.
Trigger items will be introduced as a new spawn condition for certain notorious monsters (NMs).
Monster distribution will receive drastic revisions.
Monsters will yield experience points (excluding certain NMs).
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Originally Posted by Ilax
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03-13-2011, 08:25 AMIcesteinThis is borderline incomprehensible... Petitions aren't used exclusively to point out something negative, if that's what you're suggesting, you can have petitions to request the implementation of something, or petition for a new release of something.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ilax
Your next point I actually can't comprehend.
I don't think anyone is trolling you. -
03-13-2011, 08:27 AMIlaxIs the main part that i am worry. please read and highlight the right part of my issue.Quote:
Originally Posted by Masekase
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03-13-2011, 08:27 AMFiarliaThe point isn't that we have different points of view, the point is that only one point of view (yours) is allowed to voice itself to the DEV Team in your thread. That's just stupid and self serving.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ilax
But whatever, I followed advice and made a pro-changes thread.
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/th...4239#post14239 -
03-13-2011, 08:29 AMIlaxPetition to add up something and to remove something, but not a petition to express that you are happy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Icestein
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03-13-2011, 08:29 AMFiarliaI don't think you even know what this means.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ilax
What do you think this means? -
03-13-2011, 08:31 AMIcestein
I don't agree with either petition, but I understand why they have done it. If there was only a petition against the change then Square enix would get a unilateral view of the issue. They're petitioning for it to be implemented to offset what you are petitioning.
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03-13-2011, 08:32 AMMasekaseWell instead of a petition on some loose fact why not wait for more info or ask some questions ? Ie is more people allowed in at a time ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ilax
Maybe call it concerns with [dev1000] Dynamis Reborn! update question and answers. -
03-13-2011, 08:35 AMFiarliaPretty much. I think having either petition (the pro one included, even though I made the thread) is silly. But I'd rather do something silly then take the chance that SE will actually see that thread and suddenly think that they shouldn't do it because nobody is voicing an opposing opinion.Quote:
Originally Posted by Icestein
In the future, a sign/anti-sign thread could easily be appropriate though. Since, ya know, it allows both sides to express their interest/disinterest/opposition - especially if it's kept to just /sign, /antisign and /dontcare without all the bitching and arguing. -
03-13-2011, 08:36 AMIlaxJust wow, i really hope SE/DEV are not that dumb and just end to ignore who unhappy form such of change just because the general player are positive about it. If is the case then be it, if SE think is logical to loose player just to make other happy then as Starcade stated in one of his thread (that i found rude) SE don't deserve to stay alive.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fiarlia
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03-13-2011, 08:39 AMIlaxSo let a nuclear plan get built and wait if is going to explode before say anything? Good analogy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Masekase
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03-13-2011, 08:40 AMMasekaseReally that is a stupid way to look at it. How many people do you think they have all ready lost due to the current system ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ilax
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03-13-2011, 08:40 AMIcesteinAgreeing with Starcade reduces any credibility you once held to nothing. You know something? If Square enix waiver because some people have dissented I will lose a lot of respect for them. I might quit, because I will have seen that a few vocal people opposed to something can veto an entire change that they know very little about. I will be tempted to quit if SE lack the integrity and tenacity to stick with this.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ilax
Can people please stop with the slippy slope bull. Guess what? Our opinions on nuclear energy plants (and I disagree with you on that too, I think they're a cleaner, more efficient source of energy and are actually quite safe) bear no relevance to this conversation. Dynamis and Nuclear energy ARE NOT IN ANYWAY SIMILAR, it's a freaking terrible analogy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ilax
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03-13-2011, 08:42 AMMasekaseNo thats why you post questions to the devs and they give answers. sorry thought it was pretty clear that comment.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ilax
Normally people don't start petitions till they know all the facts. -
03-13-2011, 08:44 AMFiarliaAt the moment, my thread has more signatures, indicating that more people want the change than do no not want it. This game was not created just for you, and SE will likely go with whatever choice is more popular (again, at the moment, it's people who like the change and welcome it), or ignore the threads altogether and do what they want anyway.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ilax
If the changes make more people happy than they do unhappy, there's literally no reason why they shouldn't go forward with their plans. This is precisely what I was talking about, you have been living in your own world where you think so many people are unhappy about this, and that you needed to bring this to their attention. These forums are not a place for your personal crusades. This is where we can discuss the game and possible changes to it. Your thread was anti-productive to not only the discussion, but to bringing the players point of view to SE.
Again, your idea was stupid. Your thread was stupid. My thread is also stupid, but was done to bring some semblance of balance in voicing opinions that yours was designed to ignore. I personally hope both threads get deleted, as neither (by themselves) really has a place here.