Pet th - Just hear me out

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BLM doesn't have any problems subbing THF because you can still easily keep yourself alive and maintain massive damage output

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hehehehehhe...

Nawesemo casts Break on the Vangard protector
Nawesemo casts Thunder 5 on the Vangard Protector
the Vangard Protector takes 3485 points of damage
the Vangard Protector uses Chainspell
The Vangard Protector starts casting Silence
Nawesemo starts casting Stun
The Vangard Protector casts silence
Nawesemo is Silenced.
The Vangard Protector starts casting Thunder III
The Vangard Protector casts Thunder III
Nawesemo uses a Remedy
Nawesemo takes 340 points of damage
The Vangard Protector starts casting Fire III
Nawesemo starts casting sleep
the Vangard Protector casts Fire III
Nawesemo takes 240 points of damage.
Nawesemo casts sleep
The vangard Protector is asleep.
Nawesemo Uses Manawell
Nawesemo starts casting comet
Nawesemo casts Comet.
The Vangard Protector takes 4000 points of damage.

lol .... I could pull it of no sweat :D *gulp

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Originally Posted by Nawesemo

:/ if i'm /thf um... lol I did alot more than gimp my first hit.

Gotta remember bub we're talking about thf 3 on a pet, not what you have today, ... I can live with that, becauase it's fair'er than what you want ... thf 3 on a pet. (or thf 3 on an shiruken for nin, or thf 3 on pebbles for blm, or thf 3 attached to thunder 5.. etc).

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If Ninja shurikens were an integral part of the Ninja's play mechanics (I'd say Jutsu is moreso than shurikens) and having TH made sense for the job, I wouldn't have a problem with it at all. Same with your other examples, I wouldn't be opposed to what you're suggesting as long as it makes sense for the job. THF pets having TH makes sense in that the developers gave pets jobs and traits to go along with those jobs, for BLU it makes sense that they can get as much TH as they have due to their ability to change their job traits with spell sets. When this problem came up BLU was complained about too, but BST pets got the adjustment. Yuly is inferior to Falcorr in every category, by the way. The nerf to TH has made her even more niche than before. Absolutely no reason to use her unless you're fighting single targets with piss accuracy. Even then, Falcorr still outclasses her. She's lost her place among our pets for anything even halfway serious.

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Right now.... yeah sure, blu skrew's you over in the "we get more thf than youuuu ne ner ne ner ne ner" department. but that's blu... you want to put bst on that same special tier that gets to get thf 3 without /thf. I don't agree with that. Bst has it well enough as it is.

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Hi I'm a BST, we're highly dependant on farming for EVERYTHING our job uses, the nerf to our pets has only served to force us to spend more time farming and that's not helping anyone. It certainly doesn't help the chefs I offload ingredients to either. I don't think my job should be special, but our pets having TH never hurt anybody until Dynamis got revamped and the tears began to flow. It sucks, bro.

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And just stop with the "i have to gimp myself to use yuly" arguement... it just sounds dumb. Its your job to use beast pets, it's what you do, you're not gimping yourself by choosing what pet to use, your making a decision based on what best suits your needs. Your not gimping anything, your gearing for the task at hand, war's change sets for ws, becuase they are optimal for that ws, there are trade offs, for diffrent things.. you know like thf. ... or /dnc for safety, or .. /war for dmg output.. every bst who isn't /war is gimping themselves? THEY'RE NOT DOING THE MAX DMG THEY CAN must be a gimp.... NO... lol it's a decision... just like why you decide to play bst vs. blm, rdm, blu, dnc, smn. and when you decide to /thf or not. You are just like zomg!!! the rest of us, who "can" use a pet who has a thf trait. Be happy you get that.

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You can't compare a WAR pressing a button and performing a single action to a BST summoning a pet that is less efficient than literally any of our other choices and using it for the full duration. That's 2 hours of changing my playstyle vs. two buttons for the WAR. I'm not saying it's unfair, but the comparison just doesn't work. Also like I said earlier, we don't have nearly as much choice in subs without taking a severe hit to survivability. Wild Carrot isn't a solution either, and Snarl requires me to be up my pet's ass to use now due to the great river of tears. That alone forces me to stay right next to my pet instead of snagging another mob to add to the collection, forcing my efficiency even further down.

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Giving thf 3 to a pet puts bst in a special class, I don't like it, don't want it to happen.

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Being an "odd" job, BST has never been accepted into group content except with other BST, we are pariahs by design. Jobs like ours need to be able to function in the game just as well as other jobs, except we have no real role in a group, so we get pets to shore up our glaring flaws. TH3 never made me special, it just made me more capable of functioning outside of group content without forcing me to farm for even longer periods. Apparently that twists the community's collective panties for some reason. How dare we have something nice, it's so unfair to everyone except for the jobs that can wear the sash and take few penalties for subbing THF.

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Sure if you wanna ... go ahead and level blm, it's no where near efficent though .. it's more like the fat kid oozing sweets off his fingertips and still maw'ing down on chocolates (mp efficency is poo), ... but I don't think you'll like it. (there now i said it so it makes your post a little more ... right)

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I wasn't serious, I'm not a fan of the job. It rocks, but it's just not my tankard of grog. I also don't feel like collecting even more MAB+ gear in addition to building a goat set and boring my way through getting the accessories for it. That goes without mentioning scroll quests and the time investment involved with those. It's all worth it, but I'd rather be BST, it fits my playstyle and personality better. I'm rather shy around people, so I'm OK with not getting tells for groups, and I'd rather get my gear on my own because I am able to do so. I never liked the idea of gathering 17 other people to get items for me, it's one of the things that never made any sense that this game is full of, but it is what it is.

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Originally Posted by Caketime

Hi I'm a BST, we're highly dependant on farming for EVERYTHING our job uses, the nerf to our pets has only served to force us to spend more time farming and that's not helping anyone. It certainly doesn't help the chefs I offload ingredients to either. I don't think my job should be special, but our pets having TH never hurt anybody until Dynamis got revamped and the tears began to flow. It sucks, bro.

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Hate to remind you but back in the day our pets didn't have TH then either and even worse jug pets outright sucked and were way overpriced in terms of utility. As far as farming everything my job uses well.. I dunno what to tell you. I had other jobs lined up to farm crap where I needed seals/gear which I could obtain easier with friends.

I like my BST but I don't depend on the TH as much as some people do. Dipper is still a great pet regardless of how much it got nerfed. It's cheap, highly evasive and hits pretty hard for a small ass bug.

I'm still shocked that ranger can get treasure hunter 10.

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Originally Posted by SNK

Hate to remind you but back in the day our pets didn't have TH then either and even worse jug pets outright sucked and were way overpriced in terms of utility. As far as farming everything my job uses well.. I dunno what to tell you. I had other jobs lined up to farm crap where I needed seals/gear which I could obtain easier with friends.

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You don't have to remind me, this job has come a long way. Farming ingredients is my choice as well, it's either that or do events for rare drops to sell, both are just a means to the same end.

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I like my BST but I don't depend on the TH as much as some people do. Dipper is still a great pet regardless of how much it got nerfed. It's cheap, highly evasive and hits pretty hard for a small ass bug.

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I've taken a shine to Silas over the last few days. We need more Frog pets.

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Originally Posted by tyrantsyn

Dynamis
BST
TH
Behavior
No matter how simple you try to make this, the problem is right there in 4 word's. The job has pretty much suffer in the same way RDM has. Individual's took it to a new level. And it got snuff under the flag of balance. Personally, I just shake my head. While the nerf balance fix the dev's team problem with the issue. It still leave's many ppl standing around waiting for re-spawn's in a time event where every second count's. Due mostly to BST rounding up everything they come across and killing it in pack's. The situation turn's players against player, and has made BST one of the most hated job classes too see in Dynamis. Can you blame them? No, their just doing what they can to make gil and build there relic.

My apologies for the derail. But the issue goes beyond the TH nerf. And trying to get it back.

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For the love of Christ, back away from the apostrophe key. Plural words will require apostrophes about the same time as BST will get Pet: TH+ gear.

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Originally Posted by Caketime

I've taken a shine to Silas over the last few days. We need more Frog pets.

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It's an ok pet but not one of my favorites. When I'm cleaving *Yes I said cleaving* I use LuckyLulu since he's an amazing damage dealing pet when soloing. For mass pulls where you want to be able to pull hate off you then Dipper is a 100% win for this.

Falcorr is solid and I like his TP moves but compared to the two TH pets, I enjoy Dipper slightly more.

I use Lulu for trials, she's made my TP Axe so much easier to do, and she's not too bad for weather trials either. Whirl Claws gets the job done quite nicely. I tried out Silas on Balaur using Plaguebringer/Apoc/Ducal Guard and he did really well, I didn't have to ride Reward and was able to melee without worrying, only turning when he put up spikes and waiting for a Dispel from my BLU buddy. He seemed to take the magic damage pretty well, so I'm going to keep using him for little fun things like Abby NM camping for friends.

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Originally Posted by SNK

It's an ok pet but not one of my favorites. When I'm cleaving *Yes I said cleaving* I use LuckyLulu since he's an amazing damage dealing pet when soloing. For mass pulls where you want to be able to pull hate off you then Dipper is a 100% win for this.

Falcorr is solid and I like his TP moves but compared to the two TH pets, I enjoy Dipper slightly more.

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I was intrigued by this, so I went and tried Lulu in Abyssea-Kon with RR/MC/DG on efts (because they link). It went ok but I was wondering what atmas you use when you do it. Do you just let Lulu whittle them down or do help out with damage with a dagger AoE ws?

People, please if you want to farm and have TH there is what you are supposed to do: mog house->change jobs-> THF.
And if you still insist to have TH on you on BST,well you can always sub THF for it, the reason I say this is because THF is THE farming job in FF, so you either accept it or not but SE wont be giving BSTs pets a higher tier TH, in my opinion pets shouldnt even have TH, but thats just me... The reason I say this is because I have never seen a THF asking for a pet so they could do it better/faster.

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Originally Posted by Lyberty

The reason I say this is because I have never seen a THF asking for a pet so they could do it better/faster.

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Actually, THF/BST was quite a popular farming combination before the advent of /DNC.

Exactly, if a THF wants a pet he/she has to sub BST, so the rule is the same for BSTs who want to have TH, they have to sub THF for it... /close thread.

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Originally Posted by Lyberty

People, please if you want to farm and have TH there is what you are supposed to do: mog house->change jobs-> THF.
And if you still insist to have TH on you on BST,well you can always sub THF for it, the reason I say this is because THF is THE farming job in FF, so you either accept it or not but SE wont be giving BSTs pets a higher tier TH, in my opinion pets shouldnt even have TH, but thats just me... The reason I say this is because I have never seen a THF asking for a pet so they could do it better/faster.

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We've already had a discussion about our pet traits, you're about 20 pages late. We have base TH, which is more than what you have, and I'm happy with that.

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Originally Posted by Lyberty

Exactly, if a THF wants a pet he/she has to sub BST, so the rule is the same for BSTs who want to have TH, they have to sub THF for it... /close thread.

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Do you play the same game as us? You know there are other jobs that get TH and can kill faster and / or proc better than Thief right?

Just go back and read at least some of the thread.

I am just rooting for SE to never give BSTs a higher tier of TH or making it "proc" over time... In my opinion only THF main or sub should give TH traits and yes I am talking about BLU and RNG as well, if this happen all this bs about ppl whining about TH would come to an end.

The cool thing about opinions is that all of us are entitled to one no matter how asinine or petty it may be.

I'm curious about your position on this topic Lyberty, do you feel pets should not have access to job traits at all, or just Treasure Hunter?

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Originally Posted by Caketime

The cool thing about opinions is that all of us are entitled to one no matter how asinine or petty it may be.

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/closethread

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Originally Posted by Lyberty

Exactly, if a THF wants a pet he/she has to sub BST, so the rule is the same for BSTs who want to have TH, they have to sub THF for it... /close thread.

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Who the hell are you to decide to "/close thread."? If you don't like the topic discussed then kick rocks and move on!

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Originally Posted by Plasticleg

/closethread

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/bumpthread

Don't care enough to wade through the whole thread, but since I use my BST often figured I'd put in my 2 cents.

Wouldn't mind BST pets getting more TH, but the job would need to be crippled in some way to counteract people who behave badly when they play it. For instance, make all mobs that link bolt straight for BST and lengthen snarl timer. Or make pet TH level dependent on a timed JA that can't always be up and which shares a timer with Reward or Snarl or both.

I would agree with the sentiment, however, that if you care about TH'ing something, you best bring a THF anyway.

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Originally Posted by Enochroot

Don't care enough to wade through the whole thread, but since I use my BST often figured I'd put in my 2 cents.

Wouldn't mind BST pets getting more TH, but the job would need to be crippled in some way to counteract people who behave badly when they play it. For instance, make all mobs that link bolt straight for BST and lengthen snarl timer. Or make pet TH level dependent on a timed JA that can't always be up and which shares a timer with Reward or Snarl or both.

I would agree with the sentiment, however, that if you care about TH'ing something, you best bring a THF anyway.

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lol @ this entire post.

Whine all you want BSTs but I dont think SE will touch TH on pets again just because they already nerfed it and I agree with you Caketime we all have the right to express opinions but calling someone opinion "asnine" is disrespectful and I bet you felt very good for doing it, so kudos to you... thats why all BSTs are hated in this game (not all of you, I am not generalizing) most of you have this bad attitude that noone can stand.

Misspellings are one of my pet peeves. The word is "asinine".
I prefer "obtuse" myself.

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Originally Posted by Lyberty

Whine all you want BSTs but I dont think SE will touch TH on pets again just because they already nerfed it and I agree with you Caketime we all have the right to express opinions but calling someone opinion "asnine" is disrespectful and I bet you felt very good for doing it, so kudos to you... thats why all BSTs are hated in this game (not all of you, I am not generalizing) most of you have this bad attitude that noone can stand.

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You were generalizing. You came in here and posted your remarks for no reason other than to feel "very good for doing it". You succeeded in nothing other than bumping the thread.

As easy as it would be to take cheap shots at you like you have the beast masters, I think I'll just say "move along" because you have nothing to add to the conversation.

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Originally Posted by Lyberty

Whine all you want BSTs but I dont think SE will touch TH on pets again just because they already nerfed it and I agree with you Caketime we all have the right to express opinions but calling someone opinion "asnine" is disrespectful and I bet you felt very good for doing it, so kudos to you... thats why all BSTs are hated in this game (not all of you, I am not generalizing) most of you have this bad attitude that noone can stand.

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Note that I didn't claim your opinion was asinine, I only implied that it was so. My little bit of fun on the forums is no reason for BST to be hated, it's more like the community is mad that we can solo better than they can with their super weapons and gear that takes an unreasonable amount of coordination between multiple people to acquire. I can understand that, it's OK to be mad and toss around generalizations that apply to maybe 1% of the BST population because of the comments of one player. I'm sure you've got some booty to plunder, so I'll let you get back to that. Have fun!

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Originally Posted by Aldersyde

I was intrigued by this, so I went and tried Lulu in Abyssea-Kon with RR/MC/DG on efts (because they link). It went ok but I was wondering what atmas you use when you do it. Do you just let Lulu whittle them down or do help out with damage with a dagger AoE ws?

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I go with Stronghold, Vissitude and Siren Shadow. Massive Regen with some evasion makes it very hard to kill that rabbit when you're cleaving mobs. When I farmed Despot, I usually have Lulu build up to 100% tp. Then I slap on my Skadi feet, Run past all the dolls along the wall with agro, throw Lulu on one doll, Whirl Claws, Sit back and relax with more Whirl Claws until they're all dead.

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Originally Posted by FrankReynolds

You were generalizing. You came in here and posted your remarks for no reason other than to feel "very good for doing it". You succeeded in nothing other than bumping the thread.

As easy as it would be to take cheap shots at you like you have the beast masters, I think I'll just say "move along" because you have nothing to add to the conversation.

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kinda... like ... you :D

SE has already made their position clear on bst and TH. As for the behavior of bsts, its crazy. A friend of mine was farming dyna-quifim the other night on blue mage and a bst followed him around. My friend started on bats, a bst came and camped on him, my friend moved to krakens. The bst followed him to krakens proceeded to try and overtake the camp, my friend went back to bats and the bst returned. Also, please don't tell me this is a new phenomena, SE nerfed leave a long time ago because beastmasters used to drop IT mobs on top of xp parties when the bst wanted to overtake the camp. BST has always been the job for people who didn't want to participate with others.

Dropping ITs on parties was the height of comedy back in the day, it broke up the monotony of running around killing stuff.

Also, I know this may not be standard for everyone, but when I first started the job years ago and asked to join an exp party I was told to fuck off and level something else. So while I do have certain tendencies influenced by early gameplay experiences like refusing to ask for help, and the occasional very intentional NM steal at 1%, I only do it to people who act like jerks to me. I also used to enjoy ruining AB parties and MPKing the old RMT alliances until those shenanigans were patched. Hmm, I might be an asshole. Oh well. :3

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Originally Posted by Caketime

Also, I know this may not be standard for everyone, but when I first started the job years ago and asked to join an exp party I was told to fuck off and level something else.

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Not due to your sparkling personality by any chance?

hehehehhe you dropped an F bomb O.O

I'm willing to bet it's mostly due to job stigma, I haven't had a problem on any other job. I can be pretty abrasive too, but the same can be said for most who play this game.

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Originally Posted by Nawesemo

kinda... like ... you :D

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"I know you are but what am I?" *in the tone of a three year old*

One line quips are cheap. At least take the time to hunt down a good meme first.

On a side note, it's easy to follow around blue mages and cast diaga on their mobs, or spam blizzaja on fell cleavers, or train mobs all over the map for half an hour in movement gear while other people stand around wondering why no monsters are popping. Let's not play stupid and act like bsts are the only ones that do it. How many times has an LS killed a thousand robots in sky trying to pop despot, only to have it pop for that solo Red Mage who then spends 90 minutes kiting it around while they watch? How many times has that stupid turtled up paladin sat and held something for an hour while his LS comes to kill it for him? Douche bags come in all shapes and sizes.

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Originally Posted by FrankReynolds

"I know you are but what am I?" *in the tone of a three year old*

One line quips are cheap. At least take the time to hunt down a good meme first.

On a side note, it's easy to follow around blue mages and cast diaga on their mobs, or spam blizzaja on fell cleavers, or train mobs all over the map for half an hour in movement gear while other people stand around wondering why no monsters are popping. Let's not play stupid and act like bsts are the only ones that do it. How many times has an LS killed a thousand robots in sky trying to pop despot, only to have it pop for that solo Red Mage who then spends 90 minutes kiting it around while they watch? How many times has that stupid turtled up paladin sat and held something for an hour while his LS comes to kill it for him? Douche bags come in all shapes and sizes.

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Don't look now, but your doing that generalizing, bumping , feel good posting thing again. That was sooooo easy to find.

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Originally Posted by FrankReynolds

Douche bags come in all shapes and sizes.

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Apparently they come in Taru BLM form as well:

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Originally Posted by Nawesemo

Don't look now, but your doing that generalizing, bumping , feel good posting thing again. That was sooooo easy to find.

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Way to prove his point. As a wise man once put it, "nothing ruins a good thing quite like knowing you share your opinions with mindless little tits." Either say something related to the topic for a change or just shut up, you're making the human race look retarded (assuming you are human irl, of which I am, at this point, not convinced).

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Originally Posted by Arcon

Apparently they come in Taru BLM form as well:


Way to prove his point. As a wise man once put it, "nothing ruins a good thing quite like knowing you share your opinions with mindless little tits." Either say something related to the topic for a change or just shut up, you're making the human race look retarded (assuming you are human irl, of which I am, at this point, not convinced).

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Is that an oxymoron I think that's what that is but I wasn't ever to smart in the smart stuff.

I think your trying to insult me, It's cute but makes you kind come off kinda silly.

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Originally Posted by Nawesemo

Is that an oxymoron I think that's what that is but I wasn't ever to smart in the smart stuff.

I think your trying to insult me, It's cute but makes you kind come off kinda silly.

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Its obvious you like to play games.

I thought you opted out of this thread, Arcon?

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Originally Posted by Nawesemo

Is that an oxymoron I think that's what that is but I wasn't ever to smart in the smart stuff.

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I can tell.

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Originally Posted by Malthar

I thought you opted out of this thread, Arcon?

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You thought wrong. Also not surprising.

"nothing ruins a good thing quite like knowing you share your opinions with mindless little tits."

You know what this thread needs? Big League chew.