The OFFICIAL "I intend on Quitting, and here is why" Thread

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Originally Posted by Ravenmore

Its no longer billing on the first its 30 days from when you payed to when they kick you.

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My accounts were attempting to deduct Crysta on the 29th, I got an email saying they were being suspended on that day because there was no Crysta in the account. I have not tried to log into the game, but I assume I am locked out by now. I assume my browser cookie is keeping me logged into the forum, so if I close my browser tab I'll lose that cookie and no longer be able to log in here.

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Originally Posted by Maacha

My accounts were attempting to deduct Crysta on the 29th, I got an email saying they were being suspended on that day because there was no Crysta in the account. I have not tried to log into the game, but I assume I am locked out by now. I assume my browser cookie is keeping me logged into the forum, so if I close my browser tab I'll lose that cookie and no longer be able to log in here.

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Oh ok cool. Its really looking like I won't be far behind. I have 2 friends to repay in game once I get them to 85 on both thier emp.s I'm done so one month left for me most likely.

lmao at all these people saying they gonna quit.

yall aint goin NOWHERE. Ur just gonna stay on the forums and trash the game.

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Originally Posted by Nynja

Its not the game thats causing "undue stress and deceasing levels of joy", its the constant bullshit that SE spews out at us, then tells us "oh well make it more justified, we actually WANT people to complete this content", and then spew out more bullshit which maybe 5% of the playerbase will be able to complete.

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Which is within a video game. SE has no authority outside that sphere. No modification to Final Fantasy 11 can impact the quality of your favorite TV show or some other video game.

Well I stopped in nov 2011. I still read the forums sometimes but I have no interest in the game any longer

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Originally Posted by Maacha

My accounts were attempting to deduct Crysta on the 29th, I got an email saying they were being suspended on that day because there was no Crysta in the account. I have not tried to log into the game, but I assume I am locked out by now. I assume my browser cookie is keeping me logged into the forum, so if I close my browser tab I'll lose that cookie and no longer be able to log in here.

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As long as you don't click on your name, or log out of the forums, you'll be able to post even though your accounts are off. (I was able to post for a month and half while my accounts were off, and it auto logged me out when I accidentally clicked my name.)

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Originally Posted by Originalkord

So you don't need to be a rocket surgeon to know that the player base is shrinking, and frustrations with the dev team are rising. Admittedly, the idea for this thread was sparked by the recent news of the WAR and VSmite MNK nerf, but there are still plenty of reasons outside of that why the game is in the current state we find it. As we all know, the only way to really make any business listen to you is by hitting them where it hurts: The Wallet.

Let's try to keep the criticism constructive; everyone is entitled to their own opinions. My plan for this thread is to really keep it on the topic of why you intend to leave the game--not to much to discussion the issues in depth. There are plenty of issue specific threads for that. The inevitable Troll War is pretty much a guarantee, but let's see how many legitimate posts we get before all hell breaks loose.

So that being said--Why are you currently thinking about quitting? Real life? New MMO? Bored? Lack of content? Nerfs? Blatant disregard by the devs to the wants/needs of the player base?

I'll chime in later once I see if this thread gathers some steam...and I want to avoid the wall o' text as much as possible.

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The reasons to why I would quit (in order of principles):

-Lack of friends logging online to FFxi.

-Lack of funds to pour into this mmo.

-Lack of time to manage between IRL and virtual life.

-PLayer base may strink but if there's no community left with interest to complete content...

-Lack or interest.

-Tired of lack of progression.

-Bored of the same content and lack of expansions.

-I may decide to just focus on FFxiv instead/ rinse and repeat.

No one may think the same as me but that's what my faithfulness holds to ffxi/xiv. It's a game and no other mmo stand par with it. SE need to just remember to do things differently and not mirror other companies and hold true to the community base. It's their game, their ideas as well so what ever works(fine) let it fly but what doesn't work(adjust) at-least the community has a voice and SE will listen(hopefully).

I looked at this threads title and said "seriously?" If you want to quit then just quit.. Why tell others? The only reason you would post why you want to quit is because your still trying to hold on to the game. Just let it go. lol

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Originally Posted by Vosslerr

I looked at this threads title and said "seriously?" If you want to quit then just quit.. Why tell others?

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Feedback so SE can learn from their mistakes. Also just being vindictive and an excuse to shout "this is how you wronged me and I hope everyone knows it so that they will think as poorly of you as I do".

So catharsis basically.

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Originally Posted by Vosslerr

I looked at this threads title and said "seriously?" If you want to quit then just quit.. Why tell others? The only reason you would post why you want to quit is because your still trying to hold on to the game. Just let it go. lol

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To get my last pay check I had to do a exit survey at my last job. It was to help the company know where they went wrong in keeping you around. It had one box for the reason and then more for ways for the company to improve and retain employees. Thats the line of thinking that if SE knows where the lost the player they can fix it you know other companies pay out the butt to get other compnies to do that.

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Originally Posted by Ravenmore

To get my last pay check I had to do a exit survey at my last job. It was to help the company know where they went wrong in keeping you around. It had one box for the reason and then more for ways for the company to improve and retain employees. Thats the line of thinking that if SE knows where the lost the player they can fix it you know other companies pay out the butt to get other compnies to do that.

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I had to do a survey like that before getting out of the military. I told them what I really thought and how I really felt. I wish I could see my C.O.'s face when he read through it.

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Originally Posted by Elphy

I dont log in and play anymore and I havent for some time. I just cruise the boards now and then after an update to see what ppl feel about the new content and if its still worth my holding onto. Honestly I am waiting until the next roadmap before I completely close my account. If they are going to give us another HUGE expansion I will stay to check it out but if its just a few little things I will cancel completely.

And I LOVE how ppl who havent played xiv since just after beta or havent played it at all like to dog on it. "I will NEVER play another SE title EVER!" Sure ya wont. The fact of the matter is they are spending money on xiv, and alot of it, but not on xi. XIV is suffering from lack of content atm due to them fixing what tanaka broke but come feb in one of the major updates we get every 2 months, the content is going to start coming in and continue to do so until v2. It was even said the first xiv expansion is in developement. Seemings our server has about 1k ppl on it at any given time even tho its a 'fail game' should show how its progressing.

XI players are so raging against XIV its almost comical. But I bet you no matter how much u rage or deny, you will end up on xiv at some point of time

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Well I havent played FFXIV at all and dont dog on it but I feel the exact same way. For example, back in 2005/2006 when the gaming industry was more wide open with football games I really used to love playing and watching the sport as a whole. After the whole exclusive licensing deal with Electronic Arts and the NFL took places effectively eliminating good alternatives of football games beyond just Madden like NFL Gameday and ESPN 2k5 I have yet to buy another Electronic Arts branded titled and pretty much all but stop watching NFL football altogether. Factor in the attempt at Electronic Arts attempted to buy out its prime competitor at the time with Need for Speed in Midnight Club by trying to purchase Take 2 Interactive and it was all she wrote.

My point being illustrated if you havent cought on to it yet is that despite how good or bad something else is, companies that play to win know that the customer base is key to staying afloat long term. I'm not saying giving us everything we as for per se but we rarely get ANYTHING we ask for EXACTLY how we ask for it is always CONDITIONAL. It is possible for people to like and even love something and stay away or WALK AWAY from just based on how a company conduct itself. We live in an age where companies rather buy the competition than actually be innovative and creative and find new ways to compete. Has nobody been paying attention to real life and the global economic collapse and not noticed it?

SquareEnix or the executives who represent them are clearly displaying this same level of idiocy. I cant remember the post exactly but I'm sure it is on this forum and if not I think it is on Wikipedia but didnt SquareEnix almost go out of business at one point and was inspired to create this game as a result? seems they want to revisit that experience like they are getting homesick or something. The game and the behavior displayed between us and them on the forums clearly displays what their priorities are and it clearly isnt FFXI or Final Fantasy fans from where I sit.

Personally I have already quit this game and cancelled this game and WOULD LOVE to see this GAME and COMPANY restored to its former glory but I have GIVEN UP ON SQUAREENIX LIKE THEY HAVE APPARENTLY GIVEN UP ON US !!!! Assuming they every cared in the first place wasnt a total act.

Reasons for quiting:

1 NO REAL FREEDOM- I thought the idea of creating your armor was great til i realized your selection of enchanted stuff was so limited. I though hey I could be a mage enchant all ingots, cloths, with whatever offensive, defensive spells I had access to then create it into final form for the best equipment to suit my play style. BOY WAS I WRONG. Even when they tried to improve it with Synergy I was still disappointed. All the mob based boosts is bs as I fight so many different mobs and refuse to clutter up my inventory with 50 different weapons for so many different mobs as well as macro spaces which i already have so many of that I basically slip up and pick the wrong set as is let alone add macros for armor too? No thanks

2 SOLOING - while partying is nice at times it is also a pain in the ass. Solo I have a higher tolerance for getting hit even as a mage than even most damage dealers can tolerate and being in parties dont always work. Alot of the content makes you heavily dependent on that dynamic that quite frankly isnt always adequate. For Bastok rank misssion 9-2 with all those slimes in Guatav Tunnel that divided. We did a run with an alliance that obvious had ppl that had no clue on what to do and even when we tried to explain the strategy they didnt even listen. so even with the alliance of like 18 we still failed but when kicked the other 12 ppl that were holding us down we got it done with only 6 ppl and only 2 at level 75. While partying is nice most of this stuff can be done with low man parties with good strategy and patience which most ppl rarely have. If SE stop watering down our jobs, weapons and armor and stuff, I'm sure more jobs could probably get more done alone than some can party. Partying should be an OPTION PERIOD EVEN IN A MMO. If you take a look at Dungeon and Dragons online you can totally do the same exact quest solo and there are harder difficulty levels that you clearly will need a party of people for if you CHOOSE to do them but it is a CHOICE.

3. As mentioned in 2. Weaking jobs instead of making mobs smarter and stronger. Taking away abilities and spells or making them weaker when they are cornerstones of the jobs in question like Enfeebling for Red Mage is bs when they supposed to be the best as a prime example.

4. Some interface enhancements. - I would love to be able to search an area in the past and see how many have allied tags so I could decide on whether or not to warp to that area or not. Same with besieged which also almost rarely happens like ever. I also heard there was a time wear you could improve your skills in Campaign at one point but apparently I missed that in my 2 years of playing or came just after it stopped.

5. Im not an idiot- Why keep giving somebody your money, no how small, when they arent giving you the service you feel you deserve? If you bought a car and it blew up and damn near killed you soon as you drove it off the lot, you would have your lawyer on the phone as soon as you could ready to sue the pants of the dealer and manufacturer in a hear beat. While clearly not as serious obviously and no need for litigation why would tolerate this from them regardless if it is a game? It is still your 9 to 5, taxed to hell, already spent before you even get it and lucky to have whatever is left over after all major bills is paid off MONEY. So why should you just accept anything less than what you otherwise expect no matter how long the company has been around?

Oh and 6. The playerbase themselves but this isnt SE fault directly but some of the way they have developed jobs, and content certainly havent helped it at all. I like to think there is a large player base that get stuff done regardless of what jobs are there even if the jobs arent OPTIMALLY geared or even greatly experienced for that matter but this game doesnt lend to that now does it?

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Originally Posted by Ravenmore

To get my last pay check I had to do a exit survey at my last job. It was to help the company know where they went wrong in keeping you around. It had one box for the reason and then more for ways for the company to improve and retain employees. Thats the line of thinking that if SE knows where the lost the player they can fix it you know other companies pay out the butt to get other compnies to do that.

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That was my thought, this kind of being like an exit interview. Unfortunately, I don't think they will benefit from it because I honestly do not think they want to improve FFXI. I'm pretty convinced their concept of "balance" is to make the game play of FFXI suck as much as the game play of FFXIV, then hope that people will come over to it just because it has shiny new graphics and new stories.

On another note, companies (at least in Canada) cannot pull that "we're keeping your pay check until you do an exit interview" crap. A few years ago, a company that was absolute hell to work for tried that on me and I told them they did not have a right to waste my time without compensation any longer. I walked out of the office, called the provincial labor standards board, stated the problem, gave them the number of the human resource rep, and three days later had a check in my hands via courier.

Fuck giving companies suggestions on how to better their work place environments when they had no interest in doing so while said employee was actually there.

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Originally Posted by Alerith

I had to do a survey like that before getting out of the military. I told them what I really thought and how I really felt. I wish I could see my C.O.'s face when he read through it.

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I was in the Army too. Your C.O. prob could care less. Next man up. But when I left my 1st Sgt. met me at my truck, gave me a hug and told me to call him when I get back home to make sure I made it there ok. Brass could care less but the NCOs are family. Brotherhood! Wish I never left actualy.

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Originally Posted by Oanomochi

I was in the Army too. Your C.O. prob could care less. Next man up. But when I left my 1st Sgt. met me at my truck, gave me a hug and told me to call him when I get back home to make sure I made it there ok. Brass could care less but the NCOs are family. Brotherhood! Wish I never left actualy.

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I'll back that statement. I saw my first CO not too long ago and he didn't know who the hell I was. My XO was different though, but I think that's because we tied his laces to a cot, sealed the tent and tossed in a MRE bomb. Push ups were totally worth it. NCO's are more real. My NCO's had my back for anything, likewise, when I made E-5, I would always have my squads back. I miss that.

Personally I would have quite years ago. But I have this investment fallacy. I've paid so much, that I'd like to play at least one month of a good FFXI. It is just that it never gets good, so I keep investing more money, and feel even more that I need to stick around until the first good update hits.

Kind of silly really, that I'm only playing FFXI still because it is bad. If it had been good, I'd have quit. I guess SE already know there are plenty like me, and they purposely just do worthless updates.

It's quickly getting to the point where the team in charge right now are so stuck on balancing everything they are forgetting this is supposed to be a fun game, the abyssea team got that. Whoever we have now doesn't.

That is what will make people quit.

I'm not planning on leaving anytime soon, there are numerous things I'd like to see change in FFXI, there are numerous things I'd wish hadn't changed in FFXI, But I've finally achieved a balance and am playing with a very good, and very nice group of friends whom I wouldn't trade anything in the past I've done or achieved for.
When I finally do quit, it will be because there is absolutely nothing left to accomplish story wise, grinding was good back when MMORPG's first came out but its time to give the grinding a rest, FFXI was a grind game, and is starting to become one again.
We need to cut PS2 off of our market, what type of contract did you guys sign? Cut XBOX, Keep 360 until it becomes a burden, make new expansions, make more monsters, make new story lines, get people involved, give nice stuff for accomplishing goals.
Most of all make new areas to explore, or don't cut PS2 just make it so that they can't get the expansion unless you play on PC or 360 (I'd do away with 360 entirely, I can't stand consoles for online gaming other than FPS, 360 has enough issues already).
I'm probably pissing off half the player base saying screw 360, but I don't care, its the truth, you'd be holding the game back too if SE had cut PS2 a few years ago.

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Originally Posted by Raborn

I'm not planning on leaving anytime soon, there are numerous things I'd like to see change in FFXI, there are numerous things I'd wish hadn't changed in FFXI, But I've finally achieved a balance and am playing with a very good, and very nice group of friends whom I wouldn't trade anything in the past I've done or achieved for.
When I finally do quit, it will be because there is absolutely nothing left to accomplish story wise, grinding was good back when MMORPG's first came out but its time to give the grinding a rest, FFXI was a grind game, and is starting to become one again.
We need to cut PS2 off of our market, what type of contract did you guys sign? Cut XBOX, Keep 360 until it becomes a burden, make new expansions, make more monsters, make new story lines, get people involved, give nice stuff for accomplishing goals.
Most of all make new areas to explore, or don't cut PS2 just make it so that they can't get the expansion unless you play on PC or 360 (I'd do away with 360 entirely, I can't stand consoles for online gaming other than FPS, 360 has enough issues already).
I'm probably pissing off half the player base saying screw 360, but I don't care, its the truth, you'd be holding the game back too if SE had cut PS2 a few years ago.

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Except the community reps have already said that the PS2 does not stand in the way of new expansions or new stories. New monster-types have been added to voidwatch (mantis, harpy, and the six-armed skeleton thing), so the PS2 isn't the issue there either. The issue is the willingness on the part of SE to actually want to put some creative effort into this game to make new expansions, stories, monsters for FFXI. That's not going to happen unless/until FFXIV irrevocably fails. I don't expect anything big to be added to this game until version 2.0 comes out and the verdict comes in on whether people will actually come back and if it's a game worth playing.

Think I'm going to go ahead and Bump this wonderful thread to say I'm pretty much about done with this game now.

0/I lost count after 300 on Toci's/Mekira. I'm tired of the Voidwatch System, I'm tired of getting Chakrams and Mantis Eyes, which I've probably gotten 30+ of. I'm tired of Stupid gimps going 1/2 or 1/1 on the above mentioned bodies, Let alone the ones who can't even use them.

That combined with the direction the new events are taken (Bad drop rates, Random Number Generator, Etc), And the direction the Dev team is starting to take (back to ignoring us, not listening, continuing with their "Vision" regardless of complaints, You know, the entire Reason FFXIV Crashed?)

this game is just getting disappointing. I mean, I know some people love going back to artificial challenge and dumb restrictions on content clearly meant to bottleneck it a bit longer... But I think I'm just getting too old to want to Sodomize myself for the next piece of E-peen armor.

Straw that broke the camels back pretty much...

When my Account runs out of Crysta, I doubt i'll Fill it back up...

Yeah, pretty much what I got to. I really just didn't have it in me anymore to go back and play the game how it was in the 75 era. I think about coming back now and then (I still have my mule account) but the only job I want to play is COR and the way the game is designed, being only one job isnt going to be all that fun.

I know there are people who hate how easy abyssea was, but I enjoyed it because I felt I could not play for a few days and not really feel like im falling behind. With bad drop rates and random number Generator, i just felt like if I wasn't grinding every day, I was falling behind.

Plus it got to the point again for me where it was like, "great, I FINALLY got this item, well wait, now what do I use it for? more VW? other events I don't really care to do?" Add to the fact that most people I played with would get butt hurt with me if I wanted to not play for a few days and not really having people to hang out with anymore, figured it was just time to call it quits.

I also notice i keep referring to FFXI as a game still.

I doesn't even feel like a game anymore. Games are suppose to be fun, FFXI feels more like I'm trapped in a Dark room, Told to open a Door, Except theres 250 Doors, one of Them is the exit, And the others Have Shotguns behind them triggered to go off when I open it.

The reason theres 250 Doors is because theres going to be 250 People put into the room, So for Balance, Theres a large number of doors, so that only a few people out of the 250 escape with their life.

But the extra balance-trick is, They only put us in 1 at a time, and they close the doors and mix them up after each person is sent in, to Achieve maximum Balance to Dead-people ratio.

Honestly, one big reason I even kept playing was because I met my current g/f on there and she works overnights so I used to stay up with her and play while she was at work. Now that she likes to do other things at work with her time (cross stitching, playing SNES games, etc and I actually got back into playing Wii and PS3, there was just no reason to bother anymore.

I had forgotten how fun it was to play games that was enjoyable, and not feel like a job.

The days when this game makes me go "bleeeeeh" seem to come along a lot more often than before. A LOT more often. I don't multi-box, I don't fish(bot), I don't have the "right" crafts leveled - and these days all I seem to do is work my ass off (note: work, not play) to raise gil for heavy metal plates. It's left me fed up, disillusioned and disappointed, and if I do ever finish my GA I sure as hell won't be working on upgrading any of my other empyrean weapons past lvl 90. The new nyzul sounds to me like just another voidwatch-like event where shit's totally random and luck-based, not even tempted to try it.

My friends are the main reason I'm still playing. But there's hardly a day now that the thought of quitting doesn't cross my mind. And who knows, maybe I'll do just that instead of torturing myself further.

Two weeks on a login protest now, when the bst nerf comes it will be final.

It makes me really mad reading this thread because I feel the same, I really love this game and don't want to leave it but with such incompetent people running it now it's a really hard sell. This game is not fun to login to now (trials we can't do, WoE which is terrible, VW which never drops anything and now Neo-Nyzul looks to be worse than them all, and this after they see the outcries that came before..they still make the same mistakes), they changed the game into something amazing with Abyssea and then took a giant dump on it with these new people running it since then, they just have no idea wtf they are doing and how much the playerbase has changed. They really do think they can just pretend Aby didn't happen and take us back to old FFXI, infact I take that back...this isn't old FFXI it's 10x worse with their blatant and horrible time-sink tactics at a time when very few people want that kind of abusive/unrewarding game again.

Sadly, very much like with XIV they won't see the massive damage they are doing to this wonderful game till it's on it's death bed and has a vastly decreased playerbase (most players won't post here, they will simply stop logging in), they never really listen and they will never accept that maybe their ideas are bad..ever..even if it destroys the things they are working on (see FFXIV). Abyssea revived it but they see it as bad content and shy away from it as fast and far as possible, quite the stupidest thing I've seen in all my years playing.

Square did 2 amazingly stupid things over the last few years, release the laughing stock FFXIV and creating an amazing expansion lifting almost everyones spirits and then knocking away the amazing improvments they made. If by some miracle they manage to salvage FFXIV I hope disgruntled XI players keep in mind just how quickly they turned XI back into crap again, and how easily they could do the same over there.

Last update was bad, last 2 were lame but this one took the biscuit. The fact they were worried about congestion on neo nyzul shows how far out of touch they really are.

Yeah, this update really was the last straw for me and I cancelled both my accounts. It consisted nothing but nerfs for my favorite jobs and an event that showed promise that was ruined by more luck based crap.

Its no coincidence that this change in direction coincided with the announcement that XIV wouldn't be ready for another year. We are being taken for a ride with horrible time sink events/quests and an understaffed dev team incapable of churning out rewarding content, yet still paying full price to play the game. The thrill is gone for me with this game. There is no "see you in a few months" and its become quite obvious that no amount of complaining on these forums no matter how eloquently typed will sink into their heads. The only answer is to stop giving them money.

There are somethings I believe we can place the blame squarely on Square. But for the most part? I think you can blame your fellow players.

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Originally Posted by Trisscar

There are somethings I believe we can place the blame squarely on Square. But for the most part? I think you can blame your fellow players.

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I don't get how my fellow players can be blamed for jobs being nerfed. I don't see how they can be blamed for voidwatch - which could be a great event but has the most stupid and aggravating reward system ever (and the promised "fix" to it is stupid too, whoever thought up that idea can stick it where the sun doesn't shine). I don't see how they can be blamed for idiotic empyrean/mythic/relic trials (some more idiotic than others). I also don't see how they can be blamed for neo-nyzul - another random and luck based event.

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Originally Posted by Tamoa

I don't get how my fellow players can be blamed for jobs being nerfed.

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really, you don't see how? Who exploited BST to death to get what they wanted? Your fellow players. Who griped and complained and kvetched about it to the point that Square decided to nerf it? Your fellow players.

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I don't see how they can be blamed for voidwatch - which could be a great event but has the most stupid and aggravating reward system ever (and the promised "fix" to it is stupid too, whoever thought up that idea can stick it where the sun doesn't shine).

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Sure the reward system on LW is entirely Square's fault, but who are the ones who keep on plugging away at it in hopes that they might just might 'get lucky'? Your fellow players.

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I don't see how they can be blamed for idiotic empyrean/mythic/relic trials (some more idiotic than others). I also don't see how they can be blamed for neo-nyzul - another random and luck based event.

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If you can get people interested in going to the events then there's no reason why you can't get it done. But who was it that lost interest in the events and abandoned those events in the first place? Your fellow players.

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Originally Posted by Trisscar

really, you don't see how? Who exploited BST to death to get what they wanted? Your fellow players. Who griped and complained and kvetched about it to the point that Square decided to nerf it? Your fellow players.

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If that is the real reason to the bst nerf - which I really doubt - there has been suggestions made on how to ease the congestion on certain mobs at certain times of the Vana'diel day in dynamis. And bst isn't the only job that's been nerfed.

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Sure the reward system on LW is entirely Square's fault, but who are the ones who keep on plugging away at it in hopes that they might just might 'get lucky'? Your fellow players.

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Oh, so if people stop doing voidwatch that'll solve the whole issue? I think not. Besides voidwatch isn't a bad event at all, and for a lot of people all SE had to do was to stop the same ra/ex item loading in someone's chest if they already have it.

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If you can get people interested in going to the events then there's no reason why you can't get it done. But who was it that lost interest in the events and abandoned those events in the first place? Your fellow players.

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You're contradicting yourself as far as empyrean trials go. In your words, people should stop doing voidwatch hoping to get lucky drop wise. But to be able to finish a level 95 and level 99 empyrean weapon, you actually need for people to do that exact event. As for relic trial - before people knew about the level 99 relic trial, he was barely being killed because it's too much of a hassle for pretty shitty drops.

Well I left in the start of december.I had my account paid and running since a week ago, but I haven't logged once ._. I don't really wanna blame the game for it.I lost interest, after 5 years, and got hook to WoW wich I am new to.

I think if abyssea was never introduced, I would still be playing hardcore today.I liked the EXP grind with a party of 6.I would haved prefered them to introduce another story line like CoP or zilart with new gears/HNMs/"event" Arena (like limbus) than have a level cap increased.

As some said, our subscription no longuer totally pay FFXI, we pay for their errors they did with FFXIV.

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Originally Posted by Tamoa

If that is the real reason to the bst nerf - which I really doubt

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I doubt that's the full reason too, but you can't deny that it isn't at least partially the reason for it.

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there has been suggestions made on how to ease the congestion on certain mobs at certain times of the Vana'diel day in dynamis.

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I happen to agree that they shouldn't be nerfing jobs. There are a dozen things they can do make things more equatable, however I still feel that you are forgetting the player responsibility in all this that cause Square to act.

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And bst isn't the only job that's been nerfed.

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No, it is not. I been around for the DRG, RNG, BLU and 2H nerfs. And those are just the ones I can recall off hand. But the BST, WAR and MNK nerfs are the most recent. Again I happen to agree that 'nerfing' ought be removed from their vocabulary, but you can't go forgetting that it's in response to something the players do.

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Oh, so if people stop doing voidwatch that'll solve the whole issue?

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Won't solve the issue, no. But I knew when I first heard about LW that there would initially be problems so I shied away from it instead of jumping all over it. I currently only go with my shell when I go. Saves me half the headache associated with LW watch and I get to laugh about receiving logs instead of getting frustrated with it.

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You're contradicting yourself as far as empyrean trials go. In your words, people should stop doing voidwatch hoping to get lucky drop wise. But to be able to finish a level 95 and level 99 empyrean weapon, you actually need for people to do that exact event.

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I'm not currently on level 90 Almace, but if I were I would be organizing raids on the ones that drop pouches at a decent rate.

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As for relic trial - before people knew about the level 99 relic trial, he was barely being killed because it's too much of a hassle for pretty shitty drops.

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I assume you are talking about Arch Dynamis Lord here. Doesn't he spawn in Dynamis Xarcabard (Dynamis being one of those events everyone just up and abandoned for something new)?

Arch Dynamis Lord doesn't "spawn", no. You need to kill other nms in Dyna-Xarc for items they drop which are used for popping ADL. Not an easy fight, and idc how many people yell "zomg he drops Sagasinger" - fact is he was barely being killed before the introduction of the 99 relic trial. I've yet to see or hear of a single player who has that sword. The effort of getting a pop set and killing him wasn't worth it for the drops. Those 2 hours could be better spent farming currency and more recently also +2 relic armour items.

Well it seems we agree on most things really - although to me it's ultimately SE's responsibility, they are the ones calling the shots, not the players.

Personally I quite enjoy voidwatch, but I don't enjoy the reward system. Btw, none of the vwnm fights drop heavy metal pouches "at a decent rate". You can do 12 Qilin fights in a row and get 2 pouches with a total of 24 plates like I once did - which isn't half bad. Then you can do another 12? 16? 20? 24? Qilins and not get a single pouch. Or you get one pouch - with 3 plates. Yay?

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Originally Posted by Trisscar

There are somethings I believe we can place the blame squarely on Square. But for the most part? I think you can blame your fellow players.

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Does it matter?

The initial drop rate for pouches is 4% so if you spend cells and get lights all to maximum that is 12% chance. I've done the math and if you were to fight that monster 8 times a day every day for a month you'll most likely get 27 pouches all told. That isn't bad at all except for one thing.

If you only get the minimum of 3 plates each pouch it'll take you 19 months to get 1500 plates. That's just one weapon. However, I don't know if it's possible to get more than one pouch per kill like it is for single plates, so that can change it a bit.

The big problem here, obviously, is the amount of stones you have. Even a person like me who only occasionally does LW wouldn't have anywhere near enough stones to do LW that many times without running out of stones long before getting the amount of plates I would need to upgrade a weapon to level 95.

It's hilarious what passes as "casual" these days.

What's that? You dont want to kill the same boss 100 times for a marginal upgrade? Psh go back to farmville, nub.

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The initial drop rate for pouches is 4% so if you spend cells and get lights all to maximum that is 12% chance. I've done the math and if you were to fight that monster 8 times a day every day for a month you'll most likely get 27 pouches all told. That isn't bad at all except for one thing.

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I'm sorry, I don't really mean to nitpick, but where are you getting those percentages from?

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However, I don't know if it's possible to get more than one pouch per kill like it is for single plates, so that can change it a bit.

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Not entirely sure what you are saying here - but if you are saying it's possible to get more than 1 single plate per kill (for one person), that's incorrect. You will never see more than 1 heavy metal plate in your reward chest. Just like you will never see more than one pouch in your reward chest.

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Not entirely sure what you are saying here - but if you are saying it's possible to get more than 1 single plate per kill (for one person), that's incorrect. You will never see more than 1 heavy metal plate in your reward chest. Just like you will never see more than one pouch in your reward chest.

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This. In VW there is one single slot that can HQ and that covers all r/e items, plates and pouches so you get 1 of whatever and all the rest is logs and stones. Most of the time you won't even get a slot to hq at all.

I find it kind of funny how once you quit/deactivate - you lose access to these forums. Like SE has no interest in hearing from the customers who wrote them off.

Kind of reminds me of that church that partakes in "disconnection".

Tanaka: I CAST THEE OUT!

Next step... login credentials will be revoked for any player who associates with a person who has quit FFXI.