KI-popped-NM Stealing

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Originally Posted by Korpg

Only Futchy has been known to do this tactic. Now that almost everyone knows who he is and what he is capable of doing, they usually already have a GM called on him if he starts hanging around your party/alliance.

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You must never have been to Asura then have you?

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Originally Posted by Korpg

Which, of course, wouldn't happen in Abyssea.

Unless you can charm mobs in there. Which I know you can't. Which is what this thread is talking about, KI-pop'd mobs.

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You forgot the fact that the bst getting hate from any other monster is going to make the mob unclaimed if it exceeds the hate the bst has on the original mob. The lack of charmable mobs doesn't stop that. Bst has it "better" in abyssea as far as claims go because SE gutted half the gameplay involved in bst by not making anything charmable. Well either way it's still near impossible to actually lose your claim if you know wtf you're doing. Bst was the exception to that and currently it's almost impossible for said exception to happen.

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Only Futchy has been known to do this tactic. Now that almost everyone knows who he is and what he is capable of doing, they usually already have a GM called on him if he starts hanging around your party/alliance.

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And yet we`re led to believe he should be trusted when leading a KS99 run.

Protip for those who have multiple relics and still don't know how the FFXI claim system works:

Only One Person Ever Has Claim On Any Single Monster At Any Given Time.

Not an alliance. Not a party. One person. The last person to act on the monster has claim to the monster. If the last person to act on the monster dies, then the mob goes unclaimed until someone else acts on it. It takes a single action to regain claim when the mob already has hate on you. It takes two consecutive actions to take claim when the monster does not have hate on you, eg when an outside player attempts to claim the monster.

Players in the original party are at a distinct advantage in keeping claim over their monster. Any educated player is more than capable of keeping claim over monsters even if people get charmed or killed. You simply have to know what preventative measures to take if the person with claim on the monster dies or gets charmed.

Example: Whenever you see Cep-Kamuy ready Charmga, simply have your healer cast Flash or Dia on it so that they have claim on the monster. Then, when the melees are charmed, Cep will never go Yellow.

TL;DR, Suck Less.

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Originally Posted by Greatguardian

Protip for those who have multiple relics and still don't know how the FFXI claim system works:

Only One Person Ever Has Claim On Any Single Monster At Any Given Time.

Not an alliance. Not a party. One person. The last person to act on the monster has claim to the monster. If the last person to act on the monster dies, then the mob goes unclaimed until someone else acts on it. It takes a single action to regain claim when the mob already has hate on you. It takes two consecutive actions to take claim when the monster does not have hate on you, eg when an outside player attempts to claim the monster.

Players in the original party are at a distinct advantage in keeping claim over their monster. Any educated player is more than capable of keeping claim over monsters even if people get charmed or killed. You simply have to know what preventative measures to take if the person with claim on the monster dies or gets charmed.

Example: Whenever you see Cep-Kamuy ready Charmga, simply have your healer cast Flash or Dia on it so that they have claim on the monster. Then, when the melees are charmed, Cep will never go Yellow.

TL;DR, Suck Less.

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I don't see how you could keep the social point of FFXI (being that nothing is truly instanced) while having a different system.

This system actually puts some PvPvE into FFXI, which I personally enjoy as a form of competition.

I mean its already fairly easy to hold a mob in Abyssea indefinitely without any chance of losing the target just by zombying if you time things correctly.

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Originally Posted by Leonlionheart

Happens, but 2/3 times we get them back.

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This is very strange to me, during the 'unclaimed' phase, the NM will remain unclaimed even you lay your voke on it first. So at that very seconds, there are 5-6 vokes going off and also flash/stun whatever, you will never know whether you can get it back.

This is similar when a mob aggro and someone else try to take that mob. You both (not in the same party) can still hit it, but KI-popped NM are not free! Or at least until the party gave up and admit that they suck please take it free gift.

It does not make sense to me that why the general claim/unclaim rules are being apply to KI-popped NMs.

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Originally Posted by Leonlionheart

You must never have been to Asura then have you?

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/slowclap

Way to go. Good for you.

I said Futchy, as in himself, by himself, for himself.

Old endgame shells would try to steal your NM even if you didn't wipe, but that didn't count because usually about 75-90% of your people were dead or weakened when the mob goes yellow. But by then, you are usually beyond any reasonable recovery and should, as Eeek says, suck less.

Futchy would make his events around other's farming sessions, and try to steal their NMs. I know, he did that to my old linkshell several times if we are poping sky/sea gods, or doing something other than battlefields, limbus, dynamis (although he did jump a zone once or twice a year from us) and other events he can't "steal" our NM.

Other shells did not do that. Only him, while he was on Asura at least. And I heard he did that a couple times on Rag too.

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Originally Posted by Sama

This is very strange to me, during the 'unclaimed' phase, the NM will remain unclaimed even you lay your voke on it first. So at that very seconds, there are 5-6 vokes going off and also flash/stun whatever, you will never know whether you can get it back.

This is similar when a mob aggro and someone else try to take that mob. You both (not in the same party) can still hit it, but KI-popped NM are not free! Or at least until the party gave up and admit that they suck please take it free gift.

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As in when they wipe to a similar KI-spawned NM.

It's not like anyone really takes 1 set of KI's to a NM anyway, unless there is no competition and you can just head on over to the time-spawn KI NM (like Tunga or Amun) and claim whenever you want.

But if you really want to steal a mob instantly, put a Provoke macro and a Chi Blast macro next to eachother and spam them when you see a yellow name. You won't lose it most of the time on mnk (Dia/Flash, Jump/High Jump, any combination of somewhat ranged JA/Spells will work)

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Originally Posted by Korpg

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Way to go. Good for you.

I said Futchy, as in himself, by himself, for himself.

Old endgame shells would try to steal your NM even if you didn't wipe, but that didn't count because usually about 75-90% of your people were dead or weakened when the mob goes yellow. But by then, you are usually beyond any reasonable recovery and should, as Eeek says, suck less.

Futchy would make his events around other's farming sessions, and try to steal their NMs. I know, he did that to my old linkshell several times if we are poping sky/sea gods, or doing something other than battlefields, limbus, dynamis (although he did jump a zone once or twice a year from us) and other events he can't "steal" our NM.

Other shells did not do that. Only him, while he was on Asura at least. And I heard he did that a couple times on Rag too.

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So then you've never been to Asura?

No one does events around stealing mobs, but they certainly do it without remorse when a mob's name goes yellow.

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Originally Posted by Leonlionheart

So then you've never been to Asura?

No one does events around stealing mobs, but they certainly do it without remorse when a mob's name goes yellow.

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What about you, you never been on Asura either?

I was talking about old school system, not current one. Of course nobody would do that, that would be a major waste of time. What I did state was before the cap increase, and when Futchy was on Asura. Since he is currently not on Asura, and I was talking about stuff that had some merit prior to Abyssea, I figured you would put two and two together. Guess I overestimated you. Sorry, won't happen again.