Nin are better tanks now?

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Originally Posted by saevel

And like I said before abyssea isn't about "maximum damage" while measuring the size of each others pen1ses.

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Actually, this is what the game is about. And the only reason you think PLD does good damage is you have never really seen what a good melee can do. Why would you want to take 20 minutes to kill something, when you could do it in 5, why kill something once when you could have killed it 4 times?

Maybe your idea of fun is wasting peoples time and doing things inefficiently, but it's not mine, and it's not anyone else's when they have to wait for you. It's not about doing more damage to keep hate better, everyone knows once you cap enmity you don't have to do much to stay there, it's about other jobs killing faster while tanking just as well and reducing the amount of time you have to spend fighting things.

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Originally Posted by wish12oz

Actually, this is what the game is about...

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so how big is your pen1s?

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Originally Posted by Akujima

so how big is your pen1s?

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Why do you have such a problem with being successful in FFXI and doing things quickly?

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Originally Posted by wish12oz

Why do you have such a problem with being successful in FFXI and doing things quickly?

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Because your attempt at being succesful, requires others to "fail", and therefore promotes imbalance and conflict.
Your world involves "Noobs" and "Pros". But for there to be 1 "Pro" there needs to be 10~20 "Noobs". In the process of a "Pros" rise in status quo, brings about the exploitation of those "beneath"

It's simply a micro scale model of the current monopolistic society.

But the obvious reply to my post is that I'm just another "Noob" and nobody give's a $#!% about me. But that's not true, why? Because I don't live in the perception of "Your World"

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Originally Posted by Akujima

Because your attempt at being succesful, requires others to "fail", and therefore promotes imbalance and conflict.
Your world involves "Noobs" and "Pros". But for there to be 1 "Pro" there needs to be 10~20 "Noobs". In the process of a "Pros" rise in status quo, brings about the exploitation of those "beneath"

It's simply a micro scale model of the current monopolistic society.

But the obvious reply to my post is that I'm just another "Noob" and nobody give's a $#!% about me. But that's not true, why? Because I don't live in the perception of "Your World"

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You're only a noob if you choose to be. Everyone can be the best, it isn't hard, some people, like yourself just don't care to try. That is what qualifies people as noobs, and nothing else. Bad players also do not need to exist for any reason, if everyone was good, the game would be a lot more enjoyable. Like for instance, you wouldn't have to wait an hour for people to kill Briarius, or anything else! Because everyone would be good and proc/kill quickly.

Disclaimer: This won't apply to everyone, so if you're reading this and think "Who's he talking to?" assume its not you.
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I love when people assume its impossible to be good at a game, and also enjoy it. I know one thing, When i look at Karbuncle, I want to be proud of my gear and proud of how i play, and i certainly enjoy doing everything i can to learn my job, Become better at it, gear myself right, and know the mechanics of how to play the game so i can further improve myself.

And guess what?

I F**king love this game

If you don't like E-Peen battles, You may not like the MMO genre. the biggest driving point in an MMO is that its an ever evolving game with ever changing goals, to be the best at what you do. If you want to play without any consequences or people hating your way, You might enjoy a Single player RPG Better, it might be more enjoyable. If you want Social Interaction i hear "outside" is a great game for that.

But as Wish Said, Some people enjoy playing this game well, and doing their jobs in a way that won't hinder everyone around them. I for one like to do my best to be the best i can be on the job i Play. I spend a lot of time gearing up, Leveling new jobs, and learning how to do things well so when i do things with my friends, I don't impede them, or become the "third leg from hell".

But i don't shoot them down either, Sometimes my brother wants to play DRK, or RNG, and i let them cause I know its important to have fun in a game.

But there's also the point where you have to accept in an MMO, there is a right way, and a wrong way to play. You can play how you want, You just need to accept sometimes the way you want to play is not efficient, and not everyone will embrace your "Style". It doesn't mean you shouldn't do it, You just need to be able to accept criticism or different opinions on the subject without resorting to name calling.

Umm if I read your post properly your dissing not only on NIN but on all "not perfect" jobs? This is because we've never mentioned people playing "alternative" styles on NIN.

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If you don't like E-Peen battles, You may not like the MMO genre.

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This is horse sh!t. Having played over a dozen MMO's I can say with authority that while every MMO does have elements of e-peen waiving, I've never ~ever~ seen it as bad as in FFXI. You people take the concept of "perfection" to such an extreme that it discourages fun and fair game-play. Things get to the point that "if your not X job doing Y function, then you need to either level X job or jump off a bridge and die". You get people like wish who turn into obvious trolls and go around like their some sort of super "elite" player. You get sites like BG that become this cesspit of elitism, where they stand around all day and pat each others back and tell each other how great they are and how much everyone else sucks. In effect you try to mold the game for the 1~5% group instead of the 95% group. We saw this with the "WAR SAM MNK BRD BRD RDM" mentality that consumed the game so much that people were quitting due to lack of enjoyment / participation. Where content was being made accessible only to the 5% and not to the 95%.

This applies to this conversation because we're discussion possible tanks and their levels of effectiveness. To be a "tank" you need to generate enough enmity that the monster is focused on you and not on other players. In FFXI the most efficient method for generating enmity is hitting sh!t really hard really fast. There is also a hard cap on the amount of enmity you can have at any one point in time. This would lead to the logic that the requirement for tank should be to hit the enmity cap as fast as possible and maintain that cap throughout the fight. There is no requirement to deal the *most* damage, only to deal enough damage to maintain enmity cap. NIN is capable of doing this fairly easily, and it also provides shadows for damage mitigation / enmity conservation.

In short, there is absolutely ~NOTHING~ that a MNK *tank* would enable you to do over a *NIN* tank. When we start talking about kill times we're not limited by damage, we're limited by red / green / blue procing. For this end the MNK and NIN fights both take the same time, if anything the MNK fight would be longer as the MNK has no way of discerning red proc while the NIN can use Ei / Yu to get readings.

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Originally Posted by Karbuncle

Disclaimer: This won't apply to everyone, so if you're reading this and think "Who's he talking to?" assume its not you.

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I should follow Karbuncle around some more.

I think he/she is starting to like my nonchalant attitude.

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Originally Posted by saevel

This is horse sh!t. Having played over a dozen MMO's I can say with authority that while every MMO does have elements of e-peen waiving, I've never ~ever~ seen it as bad as in FFXI. You people take the concept of "perfection" to such an extreme that it discourages fun and fair game-play. Things get to the point that "if your not X job doing Y function, then you need to either level X job or jump off a bridge and die".

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I fail to see the problem with this mentality, stop trying to put perfectionists down, if it wasn't for us, you would still be exping at 3k an hour and thinking it's effing amazing, farming 1 empyrean weapon a month and thinking it was fast, etc. My idea of fun is being the best, if it's not yours, thats fine, but don't come on these boards or any other and insult my ideals, and not expect me to insult you and yours back. Maybe if you weren't so terrible at this game you could find people to do stuff with and get the best stuff, then you wouldn't be here whining about how inferior you are.

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Originally Posted by wish12oz

Maybe if you weren't so terrible at this game you could find people to do stuff with and get the best stuff, then you wouldn't be here whining about how inferior you are.

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This x 1,000. There is so much hate on here for players who are actually freaking good at the game. We must all have hordes of linkshell slaves to get everything for us and kiss our asses, or be the ass kissers ourselves. We must all be soulless jackasses who screw over others at every opportunity and have no real friends.

Screw that.

It only takes one good player to solo most level 85 Empyreans. My "Abyssea group" is 3 freaking people + 1 THF mule who sometimes plays, and we all have Empyreans and at least 1 full set of AF3+2 (our Taru friend didn't have a PC for like 4 months so he's way behind, and he still finished an Almace for his BLU a couple weeks ago). We have fun, we do shit for each other, and it's not freaking hard.

Contrary to popular belief, the actual FFXI Elite doesn't look up to the tards who run around with hordes of asskissing noobs to use to get Empyreans. Those guys are gutter trash, but the people they abuse are no better. Any FFXI Player worth half a shit can just walk into Abyssea with a couple friends and complete whatever the hell they want. If you suck ass at the game, or you don't have any friends who don't suck ass at the game, fix that first and then try again. No, that doesn't particularly mean "Make new friends". If your friends aren't complete self-righteous bungholes, they'll listen to solid advice and improve themselves willingly. If you're a self-righteous bunghole who refuses to improve, that's fine. But don't hate on the "Elite" when you're the only person holding yourself back.