Nin are better tanks now?

[trinton]

Think back to endgame now and what it has become or what is endgame anymore to that. It seem with the major improvement to nin they have made vs the paladin upgrade. Do you think in the over all Nin rate high as a tank now. I know in my ls I'm in. I'm the only nin tank and I tank everything in the abyss. Over all even in dynamis I can take a hundred fist no problem because of the evasion being so high. The only thing so far I see is the magic casting Vs Utsusemi which is a waste of tool half the time if you vs a spell caster.

[Juxtaposition]

No. MNK is the best tank right now.

[Cream_Soda]

No. MNK is the best tank right now.

Depends on what you're fighting.

I would only take a mnk tank over a nin tank if red !! was not needed, as mnk is on the short end of the stick in that department.

Don't need red? Mnk

Need red? Nin

[SNK]

Depends on what you're fighting.

I would only take a mnk tank over a nin tank if red !! was not needed, as mnk is on the short end of the stick in that department.

Don't need red? Mnk

Need red? Nin

This in a nutshell. NIN in Abyessa went from a subpar tank outside of Abyessa to an amazing damage dealer and solid as hell tank. The ability to have 5 Shadows at once alone is close to as broken as it can get being a NIN.

I'm in a lowman static with a NIN WHM BLU DRK & me as a BLM. Thru most of what we farm and kill this setup has had almost no issues procting Red or Gello. Most recent thing we did which I never fought before until the servers went poop was the Behemoth in La Thiene. I thought it was a pretty simple fight until the Meteor Spam at 10%ish but we still managed to take it down with Red, Gello, and Blue Triggers along with me getting a 1st time ever TH10 Proct for full drops.

Fun fight and I hope we can do more when the servers are back up.~

[vajral]

Wow. There are a lot of bad players in this thread.



If I wanted a melee to not hold hate and do no damage, I'd invite a PUP.



No, you proc grellow 62% of the time, or 42~54% of the time on Lightningday, Lightsday, or Darskday.

You proc red 69% of the time, 76% if you have the event polearm, but I'm willing to bet you don't.



WAIT, never mind, your red proc rate plummeted to 38%. Subbing DNC should be a last resort option only, and only, only, only if your other duo buddy is a WAR.



Great, the stars aligned and you managed to proc blue on Briareus which is completely worthless, save 10 seconds of Amnesia. For things that you are actively building popsets for blue trigger items, you are going to bring a MNK and a WHM during blunt o'clock. Don't spread your ignorance that NIN > MNK when it comes to blue procs.



You're wrong.



Don't gimp yourself by going /DNC. You are wasting everyone else's time by not proccing red and by killing slowly.

- You're right about the 90% thing, I just mean there are really good chance to proc red in a nin+blm duo (subbing war adds seraph blade and raiden trust to your arsenal, no more no less), and pls explain why you think i shouldn't have an event polearm (which i have since 2005)

- I doubt a mnk/nin can land hojo, since it's a nin48 spell. no need of further explanation about that.

- mnk+whm guarantees blue procs during 22-7. If you're farming af3+1/+2 item, going mnk+whm simply doesn't work that nicely.

- /war and /dnc depend on what you are fighting: for example kiting briareus every miute after a tp move hurts your damage more than throwing a violent frlourish. just choose the appropriate sub for the situation (or choose your favourite one).

Sorry for the punctuation, but i'm not an english native speaker when i see someone writing in italian i usually try to help him/her improve instead of complaining...

[Quetzacoatl]

I'd say NIN is only second to MNK.

[Gadwin]

MNK, then NIN, then maybe THF.

[Invasion]

NIN's new found tanking ability comes from the damage created by Atma's. Personally I use NIN/DNC more often (Unless I'm there for proc's), and I generally find Haste Samba outweighs Provoke in terms of hate generation, and of course a nice increase in DoT for me and other DD's.

Violent Flourish is of course useful too for the potential chance to Stun mobs, but alas there's a chance it will miss, but the chance is nice regardless.

[svengalis]

I've only seen nin and mnk tanks since I came back. Most prefer mnk over nin though because they can keep hate and have higher HP.

[JagerForrester]

I want my PLD tank back!
/rant