Summoner in Colonization Reives = Broken

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Originally Posted by Dreamin

Not here to defend Alhanelem (he can do that himself) but you CAN go to the other side of reive. Especially in Morimar Basalt Fields, it's very easy as long as you get there before the rock crack and block the "bridge". Also, if you were to stand at the right spot, you can heal ppl on both side. I've been going there for Reive and even my mule gets 3k per reive as sch just healing/buffing me (and the occasional healing of other DDs).

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You get a direct penalty for leaving a reive and an indirect penalty for the time you could have been accumulating but were going to the other side. Targeting some people on the other side can some times work but only if there are plenty of people to handle incoming pops. Only really feasible in the starter zones.

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Originally Posted by Malphius

Read the entire thread. They are spamming Cure BP's and earning over 1k per tally for it.

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If by tally, you mean the points you get when the reive end. That's very low. With smns around, I still pull 1-8k on drg. Infact the smns are a good thing, they help keep me alive while I poke things.

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Originally Posted by Tsukino_Kaji

If by tally, you mean the points you get when the reive end. That's very low. With smns around, I still pull 1-8k on drg. Infact the smns are a good thing, they help keep me alive while I poke things.

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Nah I mean mini-tally. The one that pops up every minute or so.

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Originally Posted by Malphius

Nah I mean mini-tally. The one that pops up every minute or so.

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And by 1-8k I meant in total with the points throughout. lol

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Originally Posted by Malphius

Taking away this feature once again for the 1000th time will put SMN back on a level playing field and would make them operate exactly the way they do literally every where else in the game.

1. This is not a solo event and SMN is a buff job. Party up or fail like any other support job.

2. If you are a DD solo you get the reward of probably dying. Unless a SMN is around to spam BP's.

3. It doen't make them less useful it just makes them less all powerful. Having this feature lessens the desire not from other DD or PLD's but from the actual mages who would have come to cure but didn't because DD is better.

4. This paragraph proves my point. SMN's are able to provide healing support all on their one for the duration of a reive using an unfair advantage.

5. The simple fact that a support class job (again I never brought WHM into this, it's the same for rdm,sch,geo or bard) cannot get rewards by performing their function which by the way is why they're called "jobs" is evidence of how this is an unbalanced game mechanic.

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and YOU are missing the point that others have made earlier.. that SMN does NOT do well in reives without taking advantage of this feature.

So, yes, you are advocating nerfing it in a big way...quite possibly to the point of it not being worth it to go.

The jobs that are in most direct competition with it in the scope of healing can do much better on it's own than SMN when it can't fall back on the healing aspect for bigger rewards.

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Originally Posted by Malphius

Legion, Odin 2.0, Voidwatch, abyssea solos.

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Legion, Odin - no one uses PD anymore since the nerf.

VW - SMN is just another proc monkey like every other mage that has a proc there (and some DDs too).

Abyssea solo - you seriously want to talk about SMN's solo ability vs some other jobs??? [No 'full' yellow proc of any 1 magic type alone is NOT worth solo'ing in abyssea at all unless you're talking about just solo'ing tier 1 VNM for skilling]

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Originally Posted by RAIST

and YOU are missing the point that others have made earlier.. that SMN does NOT do well in reives without taking advantage of this feature.

So, yes, you are advocating nerfing it in a big way...quite possibly to the point of it not being worth it to go.

The jobs that are in most direct competition with it in the scope of healing can do much better on it's own than SMN when it can't fall back on the healing aspect for bigger rewards.

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Then please come out and say it, that SMN should have an unfair game mechanic working in their favor and that other support class jobs should just gtfo or lolmelee.

who said anything about leaving reive???? you sure you have done reive in Morimar Basalt Fields???? You can if you get to the reive before it start, you can just walk over the walkway/bridge to be on the 'other side' of the reive.

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Originally Posted by Tsukino_Kaji

And by 1-8k I meant in total with the points throughout. lol

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Think that's something that is being sorely neglected here... the overall reward for participation. Just looking at the rewards for hitting goals is not an accurate reflection. You continuosly get rewarded as time passes. Need to consider your overall earnings.

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Originally Posted by Dreamin

Legion, Odin - no one uses PD anymore since the nerf.

VW - SMN is just another proc monkey like every other mage that has a proc there (and some DDs too).

Abyssea solo - you seriously want to talk about SMN's solo ability vs some other jobs??? [No 'full' yellow proc of any 1 magic type alone is NOT worth solo'ing in abyssea at all unless you're talking about just solo'ing tier 1 VNM for skilling]

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I can promise you that plenty of people still use PD and it's still very useful. My groups used it extensively after the "nerf" and still continue to do so. Do you do these events and have personal experience?

Everyone in VW is a proc monkey. If you're in the mage party pull out a mage support avatar to support them. SMN is a support job mainly right?

I did say Abyssea soloing right and not proccing? That's right that's exactly what I said. Abbyssea alienated a ton of jobs not just SMN. SMN with the proper atmas can solo most things in abyssea better than most.