Empyrean weapon needed adjustments

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Originally Posted by Rambus

your own quote, can't you see?



You are being too vauge you are not offering real fixes , are you sure you are not doing this as bait?

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I'm not a game designer. SE would be better at coming up w/ specific things to add than I would. I'm just saying they're left out as they have the least amount of uniqueness to them.

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Originally Posted by Cream_Soda

Well, did you see me post a 2handed weapon when I was naming things?

But if you want to put it that way, they could even it out and keep the double damage procs on the 2handed weapons ODD for emps and change the ODD to OTD (triple damage) for non 2handers.

Great idea.

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Bait all you like Tiger i'm sure se will put relics back on top @ 99 hopefully the update in May shows the start of this process.

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Originally Posted by Michaeluk

2 hand weapons don't get triple procs, something like 6-8% double proc isn't it. What i said above is what they should be nerfed down to, not like it matters empyreans currently get 30,40,50% odd and yet you feel they need buffing maybe that car accident you were in a while back affected your brain slightly.

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ODD rate really needs to be tone down if they can go off each hit, not just first one like relics.

town the ODD greatly like i said or ODD on first hit only, what do you perffer?

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Originally Posted by Michaeluk

Bait all you like Tiger i'm sure se will put relics back on top @ 99 hopefully the update in May shows the start of this process.

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I'm sure some relics will go on top, however, there are some, that unless get RADICAL adjustments, won't see the light of day for DD'ing.

For example, Spharai. They can boost Final Heaven all they want, even after a 25% hike, it still only matches asuran. W/o a new crit WS, nothing is going to stand to smite in combination w/ Impetus, which is like a mini razed ruins that you can take w/ you outside of abyssea.

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Originally Posted by Rambus

ODD rate really needs to be tone down if they can go off each hit, not just first one like relics.

town the ODD greatly like i said or ODD on first hit only, what do you perffer?

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Well, DW emps can't make the offhand proc and vereth still only proc on one fist.

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Originally Posted by Byrth

2H Empyreans (like Ukon) also WS harder due to their higher base damage, which makes up a lot of ground. This is less true inside abyssea than it will be outside. 1H weapons have always had the DPS advantage, and 2H weapons make up the difference with much stronger WSs. Denying 1H weapons OADD on the offhand makes the Empyrean Aftermath that much less attractive. If Rudra's gave 30% ODD to both hands, I'd be using it over Dancing Edge outside of Abyssea. As it is, Dancing Edge is better for my overall damage.

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Are you basing this on DNC? I thought we were talking about THF. DNC isn't a strictly DD job and shouldn't be doing anywhere near the damage a true DD is doing. If you are on THF your rudras are going to be on par with or better than Ukko's outside of abyssea. You have to expect discrepancies between different classes of jobs. Atmas have made us forget that we aren't all true DD classes.

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Originally Posted by Cream_Soda

Well, DW emps can't make the offhand proc and vereth still only proc on one fist.

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so how does ODD work on emps? I was told they can go off on all hits like barrage?

or is that only on double attacks they can go off on and such?'

can you double attack a jump and have ODD hit on both hits?

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Originally Posted by Rambus

ODD rate really needs to be tone down if they can go off each hit, not just first one like relics.

town the ODD greatly like i said or ODD on first hit only, what do you perffer?

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I'd happily settle with the hidden dmg boosts on relics been increased. Failing that i think most aftermaths could do with a complete overhaul.

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Originally Posted by Cream_Soda

Well, DW emps can't make the offhand proc and vereth still only proc on one fist.

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There's a very good reason for this. I've explained it already. HtH is the only one you have a point on.

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Originally Posted by Rambus

so how does ODD work on emps? I was told they can go off on all hits like barrage?

or is that only on double attacks they can go off on and such?

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I haven't paid attention, personally. You'd have to ask Byrth or someone else if they want to speak up. I just know for certain that they can't proc on both fists for h2h. (the same as Spharai, which can also proc on 1 fist for triple damage)