Too bad the statement was undercut, not undercut to the point of no profit. If it were the latter, your point would be redundant and stupid.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alhanelem
You said the choice to make or not make a staff does not depend on whether the staff is situational or not. It does.Quote:
I'm not sure what you're saying here, but it sure doesn't have to do with whether something is situational or not.
Terra's for Idle/PDT, Swords or Dagger for when RDMs need to en-melee certain NMs, and Plutos for resting. Still situational even if you combine the Avatar, Damage, and Magic Accuracy staff into one staff. BAM!Quote:
[B]HAH! Here's where you failed to throw my logic right back at me, because your statement makes no sense! If you could combine all of the staves you neeed into one, it would no longer be situational, because you would not still need more than one of those staves. By my logic, that means it's NOT situational! BAM!
NOT situational = Something that is good all-around, and does not need to be swapped out for something else.
situational = something that is useful but does not cover all the bases and must be swapped for another item when a specific situation calls for it.
Too bad that's not the component of your argument I'm at conflict with. Your argument contains several point, the most relevant being that 1) SE wants you to choose between gear 2) Staffs are situation 3) SE makes gear situational so that you'll choose to carry some pieces and not others at given times. From this, you inductively argue that SE will not combine staffs because they want to maintain 3 and the only way to do so is to keep players from choosing to carry one piece over another. My counter is that Magian staffs are likely the last piece of gear a player is going to give up when choosing which pieces to carry or not because people often don't do the Magian staffs they'll marginally use. Hence, they won't satisfy (3). If they don't satisfy (3) already, SE can combine them without a problem.Quote:
If you don't have all 8 staves or aren't pursuing all 8, then that simply means you have no need of the situational benefit that the ones you didn't get offer. it doesn't suddenly strip the term "situational" from the list of words that would describe them.
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09-14-2011, 12:35 PMYugl
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09-14-2011, 12:45 PMAlhanelemIf I'm a summoner, what do I care if an RDM needs a sword for enspells? The staff isn't situational to *me*. The staff wouldn't be situational to a black mage. The staff wouldn't be situational to a white mage. The job you're playing matters. The only way you could make an item like that completely nonsituational to all jobs would be a weapon that's "all jobs, level 1, DMG:150, "All effects of all spells, abilities and all stats +30%". Think we'll ever get that? probably not...Quote:
Terra's for Idle/PDT, Swords or Dagger for when RDMs need to en-melee certain NMs, and Plutos for resting. Still situational even if you combine the Avatar, Damage, and Magic Accuracy staff into one staff. BAM!
They still satisfy (3), unless you only get one of the staves and only ever need one of the staves.Quote:
Hence, they won't satisfy (3). If they don't satisfy (3) already, SE can combine them without a problem.
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09-14-2011, 12:47 PMYuglSMN would want Terra's/Plutos. RDM would want sword/dagger+Terra's (Unless using PDT Sword + Genbu's) + Pluto's on occasion. BLM wants Terra's/Plutos. WHM wants Terra/Plutos/Owleyes+Genbu's Shield. Still situational. BAM!Quote:
Originally Posted by Alhanelem
They don't satisfy (3) because you can't choose between bringing gear you don't have and another piece of gear.Quote:
They still satisfy (3), unless you only get one of the staves and only ever need one of the staves.
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09-14-2011, 12:52 PMAlhanelemUm, what? Yes, you can choose, unless, like I said, you only actually need one out of the eight. If you need more than one, you'll have more than one, and you will be choosing between a piece of gear you have and another piece of gear.Quote:
They don't satisfy (3) because you can't choose between bringing gear you don't have and another piece of gear.
Your funny logic just doesn't make any sense.
Bam? what are you bamming? you haven't refuted anything I've said here.Quote:
SMN would want Terra's/Plutos. RDM would want sword/dagger+Terra's (Unless using PDT Sword + Genbu's) + Pluto's on occasion. BLM wants Terra's/Plutos. WHM wants Terra/Plutos/Owleyes+Genbu's Shield. Still situational. BAM!
If I had an all-in-one elemental staff (be it crafted or magian), why would I need a terra's or pluto's? In fact, why would any of the jobs you listed need those if they had an all-in-one staff?
Are you saying I'd need pluto for healing MP? Who rests MP anymore?
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09-14-2011, 12:56 PMYuglOk, then you can still choose between Ultra Staff, Terra's Staff, Owleyes+Genbu's Shield, and Sword/Dagger. And since, according to you, I can "choose" between gear I don't have and those I do, it wouldn't be a problem for SE to combine all the aforementioned weapons into one. After all, I'm still making a choice between carrying that and onion dagger, even if I don't own a onion dagger.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alhanelem
Because a combined magian staff still lacks PDT+Refresh+Cure Cast Reduction+hMP+Evisceration+CDC.Quote:
If I had an all-in-one elemental staff (be it crafted or magian), why would I need a terra's or pluto's? In fact, why would any of the jobs you listed need those if they had an all-in-one staff?
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09-14-2011, 01:00 PMAlhanelem
Once again, you ability to make no sense astounds me. Why are you talking about things you don't have? Let's see. I need to enhance slow, so there's my magian earth staff. Next, I need to cast thundaja. There's my thunder magian staff for that. Lets just say those are the only two things I ever need to do, and I only have those two staves. I have to choose between casting slow with the earth staff, and casting thundaja with the thunder staff. Two different situations each calling for a different piece of gear.
Like I said for the 50th time, unless you only ever need one staff, you will need to switch between one or more weapons, and thus (3) is fufilled.
Is not something you find on a staff. whoa, we're making less and less sense by the sentence.Quote:
Evisceration
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09-14-2011, 01:03 PMYuglQuote:
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Originally Posted by Alhanelem
Aaaaaaand we're done here.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alhanelem
Which means an ultra staff is still situational! Hence, SE should have np making it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alhanelem
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09-14-2011, 01:12 PMAlhanelemWhen would I ever use evisceration?Quote:
Which means an ultra staff is still situational! Hence, SE should have np making it.
Good, I'm glad you've decided to give up, because you discovered you actually aren't making sense.Quote:
Aaaaaaand we're done here.
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09-14-2011, 01:14 PMTarage
Alhanelem, stop talking. NO ONE AGREES WITH YOU. Go away.
It's not 'overpowered' to be able to take 8 staves that do the same thing and condense them down to one. Or are you in the camp that being able to stack crystal clusters is 'overpowered'.
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09-14-2011, 01:23 PMKimble
I dont think its overpowered to make one staff have Magic damage +5 and -12% magic casting time another one with pre cost -6 and BP delay -10. How would it be broken to save inventory space?