MNK/WAR tank I'm confused Please Assist

Let's say a crit hit is 100dmg. You have no other sources of crit dmg bonus except byakko's haidate. Crit dmg is now 104, or a 4% increase. Now let's say you have a bonus 16 from impetus, crit damage is 116 before haidate. Adding Byakko's would increase that dmg from 116>120 or a 3.45% dmg increase for crits.

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Originally Posted by Gokku

i know im not capping Ddex, the bonus from byakkos dex out does the minus of using heafoc / belt while still offering a straight 70-80dmg increase on all ws.

put it this way i have all the gear nessisary to make any change to my monk / VS set if someone can post some solid math disproving my set vs another set ill make the changes.

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crit damage is the worse because your crit rate is low. I'll show you on an exemple how your byakko compares to usukane legs, with more details since VS gives an actual base critical hit rate boost at 100% TP.

assume : 21% DA (brutal,epona,/war,atheling) 3% TA (epona)
critical : 10% base on Victory smite, 10% from ddex, merits, before leg.
critdamage : 0 base
STR: 140 base str
1.3 pdif (2.3 on crit) at which point 4 att is about 1% damage up

byakko : gives +1% crit rate due to +10 dex compared to usu legs and 4 crit dmg.
( (0.03*2+(1-0.03)*0.21)*2.25+(0.03*2+(1-0.03)*0.21)+3)*(76+11+0.85*0.6*140)*( 0.21*2.3*1.04 +0.79*1.3)=1721.636211

usukane :
( (1+0.03*2+(1-0.03)*0.21)*2.25+(1+0.03*2+(1-0.03)*0.21)+3)*(76+11+0.85*0.6*145)*( 0.20*2.3 +0.80*1.3)*1.03=1767

Your byakko is at best useful during impetus where you'll average 20% critrate however the higher critdmg boost probably makes it less interesting too. Did the math : when accounting for impetus you average ~20% base crit so 30% on Victory smite and I think +10% crit damage. Therefore the difference is now

byakko : ( (1+0.03*2+(1-0.03)*0.21)*2.25+(1+0.03*2+(1-0.03)*0.21)+3)*(76+11+0.85*0.6*140)*( 0.31*2.3*1.14 +0.79*1.3)=2071

usukane :
( (1+0.03*2+(1-0.03)*0.21)*2.25+(1+0.03*2+(1-0.03)*0.21)+3)*(76+11+0.85*0.6*145)*( 0.30*2.3*1.10 +0.80*1.3)*1.03=2119

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Originally Posted by Gokku

how does it devalue it , since your not capping crit dmg+?

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Decreasing returns ¿ Also the fact that impetus makes you cap critdmg at times implying byakko will be useless in these situations.

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Originally Posted by MarkovChain

Decreasing returns ¿ Also the fact that impetus makes you cap critdmg at times implying byakko will be useless in these situations.

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unlike the other post , markov whats the crit dmg + cap?

it caps at 100%. Also I'd like to point out that your total dex according to the gear you posted is base + 6, so your are likely to get zero % crit rate from byakko. You need to equal or exceed the target's AGI+7 to gain one crit hit rate. In other words your base DEX must exceed the target's AGI which your are not even doing most likely unless low level mobs.

Answering only the OP

I will explain you easy why monk is a good tank in abbysea.

i will take as reference some NMs in abbysea. This NMs are very popular because they drop seals

Warbler

http://wiki.ffxiclopedia.org/wiki/Warbler

Funereal Apkallu

http://wiki.ffxiclopedia.org/wiki/Funereal_Apkallu

Wherwetrice

http://wiki.ffxiclopedia.org/wiki/Wherwetrice


Nonno

http://wiki.ffxiclopedia.org/wiki/Nonno


Why i choice this NMS? This Nms are almost imposible tank them with a blink tank even with Gnarled horn / Cloack and dagger / Sand emperor atmas and full eva gear. "This Mobs still hiting you pretty nice"

Vs this NMs the /nin tanks have a lot of problems. Here is where Monk/Warrior show the true potencial.

Having the Feet from dynamis. This one

http://wiki.ffxiclopedia.org/wiki/Melee_Gaiters_%2B1

Using atmas Gnarled Horn / Razed ruins / Sanguine scythe.

You will be hiting the 83% counterstance rate.

50% Ja counterstance + 13% Counter rate Monk lv 81. +10% From the Gaiters and 10% Gnarled horn atma.

You can Use Berserk, Stawart tonic and yellow curry bun before the fight. "And you will be countering the 8/10 attacks from the mob you are fighting making you a beast". This is the reason for Monk/War is very good in abbysea.

Now. There another situation where you will be asked. Come monk for tank enemies VERY dangerous. This enemies usually can do 2500 - 3k damage and 1 shot Good geared PLDS.

A good monk using HP gear and HP food and a nice set of atmas. Can hit 5000 HP. This is pretty enough for EAT TP moves dangerous, agas, etc. A good example

Tanking the Caturae creature like Rani, Raja, etc. This mobs are very dangerous and can hit 2500 - 3500 damage. So a good monk with 5k hp will be enough for tank them

Another good example is http://wiki.ffxiclopedia.org/wiki/Apademak

Apademak Is super strong, i saw him Hit 3500 PLDS with Bar thundra, Magic damage reduction gear, shell and atma war lyon. A monk with 5000 hp will be enough for eat all his ultra strong tp moves. In this situations is where you will be asked come tank as monk. But usually the people use monk for farm seals, for farm coins and in some situations for tank this kind of enemies.

Don't make me laugh on judging monk on how you can tank NMs in abyssea. You don't tank anything in abyssea unless you purposely *choose* to fight it in a dumb way. Apademak is best brewed period. There is no excuse for not having brews as they are easily gotten or "easy mode no thanks" because you already mentionned atmas in your strategy. I'm all for the "let kill this NM without x" but first you should apply it to atmas because they are also gamebraking. Kill apademaks without brew and atma on neither you or your mages then maybe we can have a clear idea of why monk/war rocks (or sucks, in this case). What makes you kill (no tank) most high tier NMs in abyssea is either brew or atmas, no the job itself. Soon as you remove infinite refresh on your WHM you'll be asking for refresh2 ballad and marches for your shadows because your monk/war dies in 3 hits.

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Originally Posted by MarkovChain

Don't make me laugh on judging monk on how you can tank NMs in abyssea. You don't tank anything in abyssea unless you purposely *choose* to fight it in a dumb way. Apademak is best brewed period. There is no excuse for not having brews as they are easily gotten

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"Gotten"...
on topic, no. Just no. I'm 49 Apedemaks into my Lv.90 Almace and haven't brewed a single one.
And yes, Brewing annoys the sh!t out of me. Half the people I know can't function properly in game during the times I need them to focus; VW. They're too used to the "oh snap..we're failing... brew it bro"

Saw some vets friggin wipe to Khim with 9 people because they've been turned into total chodes due to brews.

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Originally Posted by MarkovChain

Apademak is best brewed period.

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everybody doesnt have only one friend and few alts monojob, and then might want to yellow it

To be fair, killing on the scale of Apademak Horns, it is significantly more time-efficient to farm cruor, farm pops, and brew 7-8 at a time with Sanguine Blade or Wildfire.

Otherwise though, y'all are just responding to Pchan. Y u do this?