Why complain about balance - recent job changes.

SMN was too powerful? Since when? Was it back when meteor was absorbed by 1 utsusemei shadow?

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Originally Posted by Neisan_Quetz

SMN was too powerful? Since when? Was it back when meteor was absorbed by 1 utsusemei shadow?

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Did you miss out on the DG fun? Shame.

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Originally Posted by JackDaniels

Wow I didn't know people could have such a heated debate over the Summoner class lol.. :x this is kind of amusing.



Your post pretty much accomplished nothing but increase your post count by one, now two lol. Go troll somewhere else please :P

*Throws more bait*

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You don't seem to understand how trolling works. Trolling is when YOU say something inflammatory to provoke someone ELSE into posting. The Troll is the one who leaves the bait, not the person responding to it (that would be you). Thus, by throwing bait, you're trying to imitate a troll.

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Originally Posted by Dallas

SMN got nerfed lately for being too powerful. That low census number is just popularity, not power.

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SMN is so powerful that nobody plays it... okay. 2009 census results

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1 White Mage 14.06%
2 Red Mage 13.07%
3 Black Mage 12.50%
4 Thief 8.39%
5 Warrior 7.79%
6 Monk 6.49%
7 Paladin 5.51%
8 Ninja 4.73%
9 Samurai 4.27%
10 Bard 3.01%
11 Dark Knight 2.97%
12 Dragoon 2.73%
13 Dancer 2.67%
14 Blue Mage 2.60%
15 Beastmaster 2.39%
16 Summoner 1.93%
17 Ranger 1.49%
18 Scholar 1.41%
19 Puppetmaster 1.07%
20 Corsair 0.92%

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http://www.playonline.com/ff11us/gui...nsus/09/3.html

take your bets. I put money on SCH SMN and COR to be the losing trio.

Notice that those numbers are from a poll about which is your favorite job. So this is the distribution of jobs if everyone could come whatever they felt like to exp parties or LS events.

And it is kind of depressing that only 2% wants to play SMN, if they were allowed to. While the actual playing count is more like 0.5% tops.

2009 was a bad year for SMN. Let's see the post-DG numbers, then talk.

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Originally Posted by Malamasala

Well, you are partially right. I get the impression 50% of the people play the job to see Fenrir because they think a wolf is awesome. I can't count all the old stories about new people being saved by Fenrirs and getting obsessed by them.

But I don't think even SE knows why they added (all) spirits. For example Light spirit and Dark spirit are from level 55-60 NMs. The only reason these differ from avatars at all, is that they can be bought on AH after someone gets the scrolls.

And if spirits were intended to be used until you got avatars, at either level 20 or 60, why are they useless?

I think the hard faced truth of spirits is that SE just added them without any plans at all except "Give players something shiny until they get avatars". Like their only purpose was to allow skilling up summoning magic... which had no effects on the job.

Any way you look at it, they've always been a failure that SE should have fixed. They can be happy that SMNs managed to work around it with /WHM and cure 3, else the job would have been more extinct than defending ring.

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If this is an obscure reference to my other topic on this forum there is a difference between obsession and interest.
To be obsessed by something means it occupies one's thoughts all the time. To be interested in something means more of curiosity. Fenrir may have sparked my interest in SMN but it is far from an obsession. The summoner who killed a goblin following me on my first walk to Jueno used Carby.
If I am wrong I offer you an apology. However, I felt the need to clear that up.

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Originally Posted by Malamasala

Notice that those numbers are from a poll about which is your favorite job. So this is the distribution of jobs if everyone could come whatever they felt like to exp parties or LS events.

And it is kind of depressing that only 2% wants to play SMN, if they were allowed to. While the actual playing count is more like 0.5% tops.

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Nope it's not a poll it's ingame data of what people used a as main job at a given time. The poll was on the left side and I chose the actual data from the right side. This ranking therefore represents what jobs are the most useful.

The poll and game data have corsair last anyway.

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Originally Posted by MarkovChain

Nope it's not a poll it's ingame data of what people used a as main job at a given time. The poll was on the left side and I chose the actual data from the right side. This ranking therefore represents what jobs are the most useful.

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So COR is the least useful job in the game.

Yeah...