For those of us who still support the PS2 version of FFXI

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Originally Posted by Volkai

Are you going to buy computers for every PS2 player? Do you expect SE to? Will you try to get all PC and XBox 360 players to get together and chip in to buy FFXI-capable computers for every single PS2 (and PS3, since they're running an emulation of PS2) player out there?

Somehow, I doubt it.

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99% of them probably already have a pc that will play ffxi, either as is, or with the addition of a $10 video card.

Ps3 players would be fine going over 32mb ram usage.

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Originally Posted by rog

99% of them probably already have a pc that will play ffxi, either as is, or with the addition of a $10 video card.

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Prove it. ALso, what about the other 1%? Are you okay with shutting them out? It seems like it would generate bad PR.

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Ps3 players would be fine going over 32mb ram usage.

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You realize that the PS3 operation of FFXI is an emulation of PS2 FFXI and therefore subject to the limitations of the PS2 system including but not limited to RAM usage, don't you?

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Originally Posted by Volkai

Prove it. ALso, what about the other 1%? Are you okay with shutting them out? It seems like it would generate bad PR.

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I'm pretty sure no one should be shackled by 1% of people on FFXI.
We shouldn't suffer due to them not being able to move on.

Times change, so do computers and games.

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You realize that the PS3 operation of FFXI is an emulation of PS2 FFXI and therefore subject to the limitations of the PS2 system including but not limited to RAM usage, don't you?

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And that's why you drop the PS2 support and create a PS3 version.
But, regardless of this happens PS2 support needs to be dropped.

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Originally Posted by Volkai

You realize that the PS3 operation of FFXI is an emulation of PS2 FFXI and therefore subject to the limitations of the PS2 system including but not limited to RAM usage, don't you?

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Not quite. Emulation is not exactly the same as the original system, and can take advantage of new hardware that did not exist in the original system.

The main thing SE needs to take into account when considering a Ps3 port, and true expansions to FFXI vs. DLC is that many of XI's userbase (Regardless of what platform they play on) have no desire to start over in 14 myself included. Continuing to just let XI coast with out a true expansion, and true 99 End game content is a dangerous gamble. When you take into account the serious problems with 14 at launch, and other MMO's being released soon or in the near future like Star wars online, Guild wars etc. putting all their eggs into the 14 basket could prove disastrous.

XI has a loyal following, and would be strengthened by a true expansion/99 End game experience. However if things just proceed as business as usual, and 90-99 is just reskins with a bleh End game scene I don't see XI or XIV being competitive for very long. Which would be a shame.

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A player with a system that runs FFXI should not have to shell out greater than $50 (if even that) to play a game that already runs on their functioning system.

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Do you think Bill Gates ever thought about people that might still be running windows 9x when they released Vista/Win7? No. Software, like Hardware evolves over time. Either you elect to keep using the older software revisions so you can stay with your older hardware, or you buy the newer hardware if you want the new revision if it won't run on your existing hardware. It is just simply the way of the industry. You couldn't even properly install Office 2000 (their most popular office suite at the time) on Windows Vista--you had to "crack" Vista to complete Outlook's Exchange setup. M$ was aware of the issue, and had no intentions of making a fix for it either--as they already had newer versions of Office out there that were compatible with the new OS.

With your point of view, I should have been able to play FFXI on my old P2 Windows 98SE system with only an 8MB video card, or still be able to play better quality versions of games on an old Sega System that rival the quality of a PS3. But no, I wanted to play FFXI, which had a higher system requirement. So, I rebuilt my system and UPGRADED to Windows XP. I've upgraded my hardware several times since then to further increase my gaming experience.

Likewise, if PS2 owners want to receive the better gaming experience, eventually they may very well have to upgrade from a PS2 to better hardware simply because they won't be able to run newer content in their current software/hardware environment(provided SE is willing to take FFXI to the next level one day).

Raist

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Originally Posted by RAIST

Do you think Bill Gates ever thought about people that might still be running windows 9x when they released Vista/Win7? No. Software, like Hardware evolves over time. Either you elect to keep using the older software revisions so you can stay with your older hardware, or you buy the newer hardware if you want the new revision if it won't run on your existing hardware. It is just simply the way of the industry. You couldn't even properly install Office 2000 (their most popular office suite at the time) on Windows Vista--you had to "crack" Vista to complete Outlook's Exchange setup. M$ was aware of the issue, and had no intentions of making a fix for it either--as they already had newer versions of Office out there that were compatible with the new OS.

With your point of view, I should have been able to play FFXI on my old P2 Windows 98SE system with only an 8MB video card, or still be able to play better quality versions of games on an old Sega System that rival the quality of a PS3. But no, I wanted to play FFXI, which had a higher system requirement. So, I rebuilt my system and UPGRADED to Windows XP. I've upgraded my hardware several times since then to further increase my gaming experience.

Likewise, if PS2 owners want to receive the better gaming experience, eventually they may very well have to upgrade from a PS2 to better hardware simply because they won't be able to run newer content in their current software/hardware environment(provided SE is willing to take FFXI to the next level one day).

Raist

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Would you not expect the most recent version of Windows XP to run on a machine that could run the initial release of Windows XP? I believe you would expect it to, because it is reasonable to have such an expectation. SImilarly it is reasonable to assume the latest version of FFXI will run on the same machine that could run the initial release of FFXI.

This comparison can be made with FFXI on PC as well -- should not a PC that could run the first release of FFXI be expected to run the current version of FFXI? I believe it should.

If you want to make comparisons with differing versions of Windows, then you'll have to bring FFXIV into the mix. FFXIV is to FFXI what Windows Vista or Windows 7 is to Windows 9x.

I once bragged that my ps2 had outlived 6 xbox 360 systems, and still played FFXI well. Now I can't say that anymore, my ps2 is dead for online use. As my system was one of the better versions of the ps2 I know others are finding ps2 increasingly capricious as they wind to their inevitable deaths. Trust me give up on the ps2, upgrade to an xbox 360 or pc, you are killing your eyes for no reason, when clearer picture is just a short upgrade away.

I just wish all these PS2 users would get themselves a PC... a cheap one and buy a cheap FF11 expansion pack off of direct2drive.com download all the expansions up until WoTg or add on scenarios if you want... then begin to play on the PC... THE old PS2s have become obsolete and I see people trying to sell the old PS2 models & Hard drive required to RUN FF11 for to much on amazon or ebay... or no one sells it at all.


I say down with the PS2 limitations, let technology move forward so FF11 can move forward as well.

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Originally Posted by Volkai

Would you not expect the most recent version of Windows XP to run on a machine that could run the initial release of Windows XP? I believe you would expect it to, because it is reasonable to have such an expectation. SImilarly it is reasonable to assume the latest version of FFXI will run on the same machine that could run the initial release of FFXI.

This comparison can be made with FFXI on PC as well -- should not a PC that could run the first release of FFXI be expected to run the current version of FFXI? I believe it should.

If you want to make comparisons with differing versions of Windows, then you'll have to bring FFXIV into the mix. FFXIV is to FFXI what Windows Vista or Windows 7 is to Windows 9x.

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There's the flaw in your argument. If new content cannot be added because of said original machine, then there is no reason for support of the original machine further, hindering progress severely. On this logic, we should revert ffxi back to its state at the ps2 release because any form of updating contradicts your belief.

I can understand the point about how Vista needed to be able to run on previous computers. That being said, we are far past a 1 step upgrade, years past that. You clearly don't understand the concept/need for upgrading. Which is to move limitations so many yards/miles forward, to expand capability. There is a limit, we've reached it, time to upgrade the hardware. The game shouldn't die because you can't accept this.

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Originally Posted by chrism

I just wish all these PS2 users would get themselves a PC... a cheap one and buy a cheap FF11 expansion pack off of direct2drive.com download all the expansions up until WoTg or add on scenarios if you want... then begin to play on the PC... THE old PS2s have become obsolete and I see people trying to sell the old PS2 models & Hard drive required to RUN FF11 for to much on amazon or ebay... or no one sells it at all.


I say down with the PS2 limitations, let technology move forward so FF11 can move forward as well.

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A quick search on Amazon turns up...

Used PS2 (not slim) : $30
PS2 Network Adaptor : $22
New FFXI with 40GB HDD : $50
PS2 CoP (new) : $10 / (used) $4
PS2 ToAU (new) : $3 / (used) $1.50
PS2 WotG (new) : $50 / (used) $40
Standard USB keyboard, black: $10
FFXI Ultimate Collection (Steam, on sale): $5
Scars of Abyssea Registration: $10
Vision of Abyssea Registration: $10
Heroes of Abyssea Registration: $10

So for someone with an existing account with all expansions & add-ons registered that already has a keyboard from a system that cannot run FFXI, they can go from busted system to playing for $147.50.

And someone can go from nil to playing FFXI with an account that has everything registered for $192, of which $35 goes to making a new account with everything registered - a cost any PC player would also have to pay in addition to purchasing a system.

And keep in mind this is all with US prices. JP markets are likely to be different.

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Originally Posted by Zyeriis

There's the flaw in your argument. If new content cannot be added because of said original machine, then there is no reason for support of the original machine further, hindering progress severely. On this logic, we should revert ffxi back to its state at the ps2 release because any form of updating contradicts your belief.

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Boy, you sure do make a lot of faulty assumptions about my belief. We've had YEARS of updates without ditching PS2.

Furthermore, there is a flaw in your argument that there is no longer a reason to support the original machine, which is that there are players that still use the original machine. Instead of approaching the question of how to convince them to upgrade, you simply want to abandon them for your own benefit. Due to the number of players still using the aforementioned original machine, that is an unacceptable option, or it would already have been done. Therefore this is the issue that must be addressed before support for the original machine can be dropped.

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I can understand the point about how Vista needed to be able to run on previous computers. That being said, we are far past a 1 step upgrade, years past that. You clearly don't understand the concept/need for upgrading. Which is to move limitations so many yards/miles forward, to expand capability. There is a limit, we've reached it, time to upgrade the hardware. The game shouldn't die because you can't accept this.

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You're quite mistaken. I understand both the concept and the reality of the importance of upgrading systems. You don't seem to understand that players who still use PS2 are paying customers just as you are, and are a significant portion of the player base. They should not be left behind because just because you can't accept that their money is worth as much as yours.

Why do people keep assuming there is a need to purchase a new PC when making the jump from PS2?

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Originally Posted by Volkai

Boy, you sure do make a lot of faulty assumptions about my belief. We've had YEARS of updates without ditching PS2.

Furthermore, there is a flaw in your argument that there is no longer a reason to support the original machine, which is that there are players that still use the original machine. Instead of approaching the question of how to convince them to upgrade, you simply want to abandon them for your own benefit. Due to the number of players still using the aforementioned original machine, that is an unacceptable option, or it would already have been done. Therefore this is the issue that must be addressed before support for the original machine can be dropped.


You're quite mistaken. I understand both the concept and the reality of the importance of upgrading systems. You don't seem to understand that players who still use PS2 are paying customers just as you are, and are a significant portion of the player base. They should not be left behind because just because you can't accept that their money is worth as much as yours.

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Their inability to get with the times, is preventing future content, which I expect as a paying customer. If they can't upgrade because they can't afford to, then they need to get their priorities fixed, because as you said, they're paying customers. They also are not a significant portion of the player base just because you happen to be among them.

As for the years of updates without ditching the ps2, you clearly completely missed the point. Those updates you speak of what I was equating your example of Windows Vista being able to be run on older systems. We are so far beyond that point, that we cannot go further unless the original machine (the ps2) is dropped.

As for the topic of convincing them to upgrade, it's been gone over, many times, with many simple and cheap solutions. This merely adds to the fact that we're being held back pointlessly by stubborn individuals, such as yourself.

Don't like it? Fine, but because of you, the money I put in, has no chance of extending gameplay in the future. In essence, that means the money I'm paying each month is now devalued yet maintaining it's price.

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Originally Posted by cidbahamut

Why do people keep assuming there is a need to purchase a new PC when making the jump from PS2?

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Because according to alot of players the PS2 has limitations and if the PS2 system was taken out of the equation then FF11 could be improved ... but I don't really care anymore square-enix is stubborn like a young teenager they most likely will leave things as is.

Searching on amazon.co.jp, all used
PS2 with HDD: 6,480 yen
Network Adapter: 4,033 yen
FFXI Vana'diel Collection 2: 2,550 yen

Total: 13,063 yen. Converts to just over US$161

If se was so worried about ps2 limitations, they would upgrade ps2 version to the ps3 version. They came up with the 360 version easy enough and they have an engine that would support ps3 already in ffxiv,so convert it for ffxi. Problem solved.

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Originally Posted by Spero

If se was so worried about ps2 limitations, they would upgrade ps2 version to the ps3 version. They came up with the 360 version easy enough and they have an engine that would support ps3 already in ffxiv,so convert it for ffxi. Problem solved.

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AMEN!!!!! Everyone else agree? :)

you can buy a decent PC and play the game wit no issues.
would not cost you an arm and a leg for a barebone kit
like this one
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applicati...3320&CatId=333

start saving some money sell some crap get a job buy a pc
when people say having a PC is not an option for me its just crazy. its 2011 !

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Originally Posted by chrism

Because according to alot of players the PS2 has limitations and if the PS2 system was taken out of the equation then FF11 could be improved ... but I don't really care anymore square-enix is stubborn like a young teenager they most likely will leave things as is.

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Yay for reading comprehension. </sarcasm>
I meant why do people keep assuming that there are people out there who play on PS2 but somehow do not possess a PC capable of running FFXI?

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Originally Posted by Sinthetic

when people say having a PC is not an option for me its just crazy. its 2011 !

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PCs?
In my 21st century?

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Originally Posted by Zyeriis

Their inability to get with the times, is preventing future content, which I expect as a paying customer. If they can't upgrade because they can't afford to, then they need to get their priorities fixed, because as you said, they're paying customers. They also are not a significant portion of the player base just because you happen to be among them.

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What makes you think I happen to be among them?

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As for the years of updates without ditching the ps2, you clearly completely missed the point. Those updates you speak of what I was equating your example of Windows Vista being able to be run on older systems. We are so far beyond that point, that we cannot go further unless the original machine (the ps2) is dropped.

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Your comparison here is faulty. FFXI's updates are not the same as going from Windows 9 to Vista, as I've already explained.

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As for the topic of convincing them to upgrade, it's been gone over, many times, with many simple and cheap solutions. This merely adds to the fact that we're being held back pointlessly by stubborn individuals, such as yourself.

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Not such as myself, actually. Additionally, I challenge the assertion that such options are actually cheap. Cheap is a relative term, after all, and what's cheap to a person making US$50,000 a year is likely to be quite expensive by the standards of someone earning minimum wage - or less.

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Don't like it? Fine, but because of you, the money I put in, has no chance of extending gameplay in the future. In essence, that means the money I'm paying each month is now devalued yet maintaining it's price.

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And again with the assumptions:
1) You're assuming that there's no chance of extending gameplay without dropping PS2, which is unproven. The fact that there are still updates planned means this assumption is wrong.
2) You seem to think I play on PS2. This is also wrong. I moved from PS2 to PC some four years ago now. But I was playing on PS2 for some four years before I made the switch, and I understand why others might not.
3) You seem to think that very few people play on PS2. You're mistaken.
Michael's Site has a comparison graphic ( http://www.finalfantasy7110.com/etc/...ni/img2/06.gif ) based on both their 2009 survey ( http://www.finalfantasy7110.com/etc/...8mini/02sp.htm ), and JPButton's 2009 survey ( http://www.jpbutton.com/?page_id=3085 ) which shows that at least as of early 2009, some 3% of both JP and NA/EU populations play on PS3 (using PS2 emulation) while 6% of NA and some 29% of JP populations play on PS2. That's a combined 9% and 32% and averaging them together (weighted slightly in favor of JP) you get a result of approximately 20% or one in five FFXI players using the PS2 version of the game.

20% is not a portion of a player base you can leave behind.



Oh, and before I forget:
4) I doubt you truly feel the money you pay for FFXI has devalued past the point of what FFXI is worth paying for. You're still paying for it, aren't you?

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Originally Posted by cidbahamut

Yay for reading comprehension. </sarcasm>
I meant why do people keep assuming that there are people out there who play on PS2 but somehow do not possess a PC capable of running FFXI?

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Because people keep assuming that someone who has a PC or XBox 360 that is capable of running FFXI, as well as a PS2 capable of running FFXI, couldn't possibly still be playing FFXI on their PS2.

Therefore, the logic goes, anyone who plays FFXI on PS2 must neither have a computer nor an XBox 360.

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Originally Posted by Sinthetic

you can buy a decent PC and play the game wit no issues.
would not cost you an arm and a leg for a barebone kit
like this one
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applicati...3320&CatId=333

start saving some money sell some crap get a job buy a pc
when people say having a PC is not an option for me its just crazy. its 2011 !

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That's $350 after rebate, before shipping.

I already showed in a previous post how you can get FFXI running on PS2 for about two hundred dollars less than that. Additionally, your package does not include a monitor, keyboard, mouse, Operating System, FFXI, or the cost of registering add-ons.

Not to mention the question of knowing how to assemble a computer from parts.

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Originally Posted by Volkai

Because people keep assuming that someone who has a PC or XBox 360 that is capable of running FFXI, as well as a PS2 capable of running FFXI, couldn't possibly still be playing FFXI on their PS2.

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So the reason for clinging to the PS2 is simply because you're stubborn for the sake of being stubborn?

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Originally Posted by Volkai

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Originally Posted by chrism

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Originally Posted by cidbahamut

Why do people keep assuming there is a need to purchase a new PC when making the jump from PS2?

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Because according to alot of players the PS2 has limitations and if the PS2 system was taken out of the equation then FF11 could be improved ... but I don't really care anymore square-enix is stubborn like a young teenager they most likely will leave things as is.

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Yay for reading comprehension. </sarcasm>
I meant why do people keep assuming that there are people out there who play on PS2 but somehow do not possess a PC capable of running FFXI?

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Because people keep assuming that someone who has a PC or XBox 360 that is capable of running FFXI, as well as a PS2 capable of running FFXI, couldn't possibly still be playing FFXI on their PS2.

Therefore, the logic goes, anyone who plays FFXI on PS2 must neither have a computer nor an XBox 360.

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So the reason for clinging to the PS2 is simply because you're stubborn for the sake of being stubborn?

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. . . What? Why would you ask me that? You're not making any sense in the least. Here, I've re-added all of the nested quotes so that you have context for what's being said. Maybe now you can construct a coherent addition to the conversation instead of some random "so you're being stubborn (which is stupid)" ad-hominem.

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Originally Posted by Volkai

What makes you think I happen to be among them?

Your comparison here is faulty. FFXI's updates are not the same as going from Windows 9 to Vista, as I've already explained.

Not such as myself, actually. Additionally, I challenge the assertion that such options are actually cheap. Cheap is a relative term, after all, and what's cheap to a person making US$50,000 a year is likely to be quite expensive by the standards of someone earning minimum wage - or less.

And again with the assumptions:
1) You're assuming that there's no chance of extending gameplay without dropping PS2, which is unproven. The fact that there are still updates planned means this assumption is wrong.
2) You seem to think I play on PS2. This is also wrong. I moved from PS2 to PC some four years ago now. But I was playing on PS2 for some four years before I made the switch, and I understand why others might not.
3) You seem to think that very few people play on PS2. You're mistaken.
Michael's Site has a comparison graphic ( http://www.finalfantasy7110.com/etc/...ni/img2/06.gif ) based on both their 2009 survey ( http://www.finalfantasy7110.com/etc/...8mini/02sp.htm ), and JPButton's 2009 survey ( http://www.jpbutton.com/?page_id=3085 ) which shows that at least as of early 2009, some 3% of both JP and NA/EU populations play on PS3 (using PS2 emulation) while 6% of NA and some 29% of JP populations play on PS2. That's a combined 9% and 32% and averaging them together (weighted slightly in favor of JP) you get a result of approximately 20% or one in five FFXI players using the PS2 version of the game.

20% is not a portion of a player base you can leave behind.



Oh, and before I forget:
4) I doubt you truly feel the money you pay for FFXI has devalued past the point of what FFXI is worth paying for. You're still paying for it, aren't you?

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Some one is clearly speaking out from experiences 2-4 years ago. You're bringing stats out? Terrific, ones from 2 years ago even, which is 1 year after WotG came out. (instance #1 of the ps2 holding us back)

Proof that the ps2 is causing us to be held back:
1) Wings of the Goddess (recycling of textures and areas)
2) The first 3 Add-ons instead of expansion packs (Doesn't add any new areas)
3) Abbysea (another recycling of textures and areas)
4) No true expansion packs being announced since WotG

As for "explaining" that it's not the same:
1) No you didn't
2) No, it's not, it's called an analogy. Go put Vista (or Windows 7) on one of the first comps to be able to use 95, without upgrading it in any way. That's like (i repeat) trying to put new content on the ps2 right now. I am fully aware of the difference between that and trying to do that with a windows 9 computer. I am merely stepping up the extremity of the example/analogy so that you will get it this time (which I doubt)

@ your #4: In the hopes that they'll drop the ps2 (like they very well should because there is absolutely no reason to continue support aside from pure stubborness) and give us new content. Until such a time, the price has devalued.

Updates/Tweaks to the game in its current state is not an expansion or extension of gameplay neither are the abbysea zones, they are merely rewrites.

As for not playing on the ps2, then you have even less reason to defend it's support, less you be trollin. Which I am seriously beginning to believe is the fact of the matter.

As for people who have a 360/PC capable of running FFXI still playing on ps2. The "assumption" that they aren't is a logical process of not using something horribly out of date. Dropping ps2 support won't affect such people. If there are still people who only have the ps2 after that, I simply don't care nor should I when that extremely small minority is only holding the rest of us back. Another fact regarding this matter: their ps2s aren't going to hold out much longer. Sure they can go dump money into another "used" ps2 (that also probably won't last much longer) but they could most likely get a PC (or even a laptop/netbook) that can flawlessly run ffxi (even better to boot) for equal to or less than that price.

Regurgitating a quote pyramid adds nothing to this discussion and you know it.

You appear to be on the PS2 side of the fence as it were, so please explain to me why folks are inclined to rabidly defend the PS2.

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Originally Posted by Zyeriis

Some one is clearly speaking out from experiences 2-4 years ago. You're bringing stats out?

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If you have updated survey data, bring it forth!

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2) No, it's not, it's called an analogy. Go put Vista (or Windows 7) on one of the first comps to be able to use 95, without upgrading it in any way. That's like (i repeat) trying to put new content on the ps2 right now. I am fully aware of the difference between that and trying to do that with a windows 9 computer. I am merely stepping up the extremity of the example/analogy so that you will get it this time (which I doubt)

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I repeat: your analogy is flawed. Trying to put Vista on one of the first comps to be able to use 95 is like trying to put Final Fantasy XIV (14) on one of the first comps to be able to run Final Fantasy XI (11).

The analogy that fits better is putting Windows XP Service Pack 3 on one of the first comps to be able to run Windows XP.

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@ your #4: In the hopes that they'll drop the ps2 (like they very well should because there is absolutely no reason to continue support aside from pure stubborness) and give us new content. Until such a time, the price has devalued.

Updates/Tweaks to the game in its current state is not an expansion or extension of gameplay neither are the abbysea zones, they are merely rewrites.

As for not playing on the ps2, then you have even less reason to defend it's support, less you be trollin. Which I am seriously beginning to believe is the fact of the matter.

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I am not trolling. I am making the case that there are legitimate reasons for not abandoning the PS2 platform and the player base it serves. I am making this case because it needs to be made so that people like you can come to comprehend the reasons for why all you seem to see is "PS2 LIMITATIONS" when you ask why the game doesn't get the big expansions and new stuff that it used to.

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As for people who have a 360/PC capable of running FFXI still playing on ps2. The "assumption" that they aren't is a logical process of not using something horribly out of date. Dropping ps2 support won't affect such people. If there are still people who only have the ps2 after that, I simply don't care nor should I when that extremely small minority is only holding the rest of us back. Another fact regarding this matter: their ps2s aren't going to hold out much longer. Sure they can go dump money into another "used" ps2 (that also probably won't last much longer) but they could most likely get a PC (or even a laptop/netbook) that can flawlessly run ffxi (even better to boot) for equal to or less than that price.

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You keep saying it's such an extremely small minority" but you have no data to back it up while I've brought out evidence that it's roughly one in five players, which is not a small minority by any stretch.

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Originally Posted by cidbahamut

Regurgitating a quote pyramid adds nothing to this discussion and you know it.

You appear to be on the PS2 side of the fence as it were, so please explain to me why folks are inclined to rabidly defend the PS2.

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A significant percentage of players still use it. Therefore, it is still worth supporting.

Instead of saying "PS2 players should upgrade or get left behind, let's force them to spend more money to play FFXI" why don't you try and come up with some real solutions?

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Originally Posted by Volkai

A significant percentage of players still use it. Therefore, it is still worth supporting.

Instead of saying "PS2 players should upgrade or get left behind, let's force them to spend more money to play FFXI" why don't you try and come up with some real solutions?

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So we should all be content to watch the game we love die a slow and painful death because revitalizing the game's engine might inconvenience a few players who still cling to an outdated system despite having other machines that are more than up to the task of running the game?

R.I.P. FFXI









I mean PS2 Oo meh both i guess :(

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Originally Posted by cidbahamut

So we should all be content to watch the game we love die a slow and painful death because revitalizing the game's engine might inconvenience a few players who still cling to an outdated system despite having other machines that are more than up to the task of running the game?

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The questionable assumption I see here is that S/E would move forward with FFXI in a significant way even if the restraints of the PS2 were to be removed. Another assumption is that the player base would not continue to shrink or would grow significantly enough to cover the loss of PS2 revenue. I'm not saying that these assumptions are incorrect. But, for a company that is revenue based, they are big ones.

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Originally Posted by Randwolf

The questionable assumption I see here is that S/E would move forward with FFXI in a significant way even if the restraints of the PS2 were to be removed. Another assumption is that the player base would not continue to shrink or would grow significantly enough to cover the loss of PS2 revenue. I'm not saying that these assumptions are incorrect. But, for a company that is revenue based, they are big ones.

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Company have to take some risk, and don't you think it has a risk see FFXI die due to limitation?

Assuming there's a loss of PS2 revenue rather than a conversion is equally flawed. People would make the jump to PC and continue playing.

Even if it an assumptions on people's part that se will to x or y the fact of the matter is at least they would have the option to do so if they wanted to or not.

I'm afraid FFXI has been dying for a while...

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Originally Posted by cidbahamut

Assuming there's a loss of PS2 revenue rather than a conversion is equally flawed. People would make the jump to PC and continue playing.

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I didn't make that assumption. You are. Your argument is based on assumptions of what would happen although you have no data to support it.

Addiction + equally easy access to addiction via alternative conduit = continued use of addictive substance. This is not rocket surgery.

well don't really need to be an expert to understand if SE plan to keep PS2 alive for another 10yr, i don't think FFXI will survive it, well not as it used to be, is already not as it used to be and is decreasing every year... And yet FF14 did not bring anything better.