So i leeched my job to 90 in abyssea

If you think FFXIAH ranking somehow prevents that from being a horrible gearset I have bad news for you... and your server.

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Originally Posted by Tenshibaby

Well since you are the one who doesn't know that 0.8 to 1.0 is a 25% increase, maybe it is YOU who should stop right now. You have nothing on my character, do you? If so, please elaborate. My character has been ranked mostly in the teens ranked on FFXIAH for years before Abyssea, which isn't amazing, but certainly keeps me from being gimp. Maybe you would be so kind as to show us your character, if you are not too ashamed?

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Not true. Your BST is definitely gimptastic, and the only reason you're ranked so high is due to all the jobs you've leveled. FFXIAH rank has absolutely no bearing on the quality of players.

FFXIAH ranking means absolutely nothing. It's flawed because it only takes registered users with their characters linked, into account. Meaning there's a lot of players out there that would rank higher than you, should they ever register. And being ranked high doesn't mean you're not gimp and good at FFXI.

And you can just look up Greatguardian, he isn't hiding his character. And he is far from gimp. Same goes for Raenryong.

I mentioned before, I grabbed gear that wasn't stored to go grab an NM and have had my character in Ifrit's Cauldron the past month or so, having barely logged on. I have full relic, some AF+1, and some Ferine for BST, but it isn't even my main, so go take your low-level reasoning elsewhere.

I hear ya, man. Full THF relic is the best gear I own. It's a shame I keep 4/5 of the set on the Porter Moogle.

And no, FFXIAH isn't perfect because it artificially lets Abyssea leeches go up in rank rather quickly. It also over-values relics and mythics. Outside of this, however, there is not much to go on, other than having a bunch of people try to have a p***ing contest in a forum, which is played out. Aside from that, I didn't get into gear comparisons except for that it irks some people that I got my Maat's cap back when it DID mean something. What can I say? Sour grapes?

Bottom line is that more 90's who leeched suck than 90's who earned heir levels. I don't see how this is not obvious, except when I consider my audience.

If I were going after something harder than Lindwurm I would have geared up better lol... Just figured I'd camp a dagger for my DNC.

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Originally Posted by Tenshibaby

Bottom line is that more 90's who couldn't figure out how to play the game pre-Abyssea suck than 90's who can research their jobs/ask others for tips on how to play it and passed high school math classes... I don't see how this is not obvious, except when I consider my audience.

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Fixed that for you

Hey Neisan_Quetz, there's a lot more to being good at something than researching and asking questions. But then again, I am dealing with people who think all a 90 BRD needs to do to be good is double March.

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Originally Posted by Tenshibaby

Hey Neisan_Quetz, there's a lot more to being good at something than researching and asking questions, otherwise you'd be ripped and have a girlfriend.

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That is an extraordinarily stupid comparison.

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Originally Posted by Tenshibaby

And no, FFXIAH isn't perfect because it artificially lets Abyssea leeches go up in rank rather quickly. It also over-values relics and mythics. Outside of this, however, there is not much to go on, other than having a bunch of people try to have a p***ing contest in a forum, which is played out. Aside from that, I didn't get into gear comparisons except for that it irks some people that I got my Maat's cap back when it DID mean something. What can I say? Sour grapes?

Bottom line is that more 90's who leeched suck than 90's who earned heir levels. I don't see how this is not obvious, except when I consider my audience.

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You realize that Maat's Cap owners used to be called "Jack of all trades, master of none", right?

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Originally Posted by HFX7686

That is an extraordinarily stupid comparison.

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No, it was a cheap shot, which is why I removed it. Sorry if it hit a nerve.

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Originally Posted by Tamoa

You realize that Maat's Cap owners used to be called "Jack of all trades, master of none", right?

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By you and who else? Actually I have only heard that in reference to RDM. I guess the implication is that someone with Maat's cap is not good at any job, as opposed to someone who leeched to 90 in Abyssea and is as good as anyone else on the server? What in the world are your criteria for determining skill? Seriously, Maat's cap = gimp, Abyssea leech = god? This is so classic of the new wave of pseudo-elitism.

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Originally Posted by Tenshibaby

No, it was a cheap shot, which is why I removed it. Sorry if it hit a nerve.

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I rather meant that figuring out MMO mathematics through research and being good at the game cannot be compared to figuring out weightlifting plans and being muscular. The two do not compare.

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Originally Posted by Tenshibaby

Hey Neisan_Quetz, there's a lot more to being good at something than researching and asking questions. But then again, I am dealing with people who think all a 90 BRD needs to do to be good is double March.

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Still waiting to hear what you think bards should be using that beats march/march...

"Being good" was not listed as a qualification, just research and asking questions. Those are not enough to be good. I can research and ask about flying a plane till I can write books on the subject, but it doesn't make me a good pilot.

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Originally Posted by Ramsos

Still waiting to hear what you think bards should be using that beats march/march...

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lol The Hannity approach...
If you read between the lines you could have figured it out long ago.
Besides, I never said march/march didn't have its place, but that it is not the one-size-fits-all magic combination that makes all BRD's equally good.

There really isn't anything that in this game that is so hard you need more than that to learn how to play a job... even the formulas this game uses for damage calculation aren't much harder than intermediate algebra. Unless you fail at hand-eye coordination / reading logs but then why are you playing an online game in the first place if that is the case?

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Originally Posted by Tenshibaby

By you and who else? Actually I have only heard that in reference to RDM. I guess the implication is that someone with Maat's cap is not good at any job, as opposed to someone who leeched to 90 in Abyssea and is as good as anyone else on the server? What in the world are your criteria for determining skill? Seriously, Maat's cap = gimp, Abyssea leech = god? This is so classic of the new wave of pseudo-elitism.

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Where did I mention abyssea leeching in my previous post? Oh that's right, nowhere.

According to you though, everyone that obtained Maat's Cap before abyssea, smn burns and without a PL, is automatically good at FFXI.

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Originally Posted by Tenshibaby

If you read between the lines you could have figured it out long ago.

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Please, enlighten me.

Aside from situations where you would be giving ballad to a pld or blu, I fail to see any reason why I would ever cast anything other than march/march on melee jobs.

All ive seen in this entire thread is you calling people out, claiming that widely accepted formulas are wrong, while not posting anything to back your claims.

The best part of this entire thread is you calling someone a "haste whore" as if its an insult of some sort. Haste is the single most important stat for melee jobs, I feel sorry for people who think otherwise.

Even if your not an "einstein" at math. I would think the message would at least come across as, "While you might be doing more damage, per hit, per WS or, per spell". Being able to do all more often would greatly add to the damage, and even overhaul it. I'm not particularly good in mathematics, that's my boyfriend's stronghold, but at least that's what I got out of reading greatguardian and Karbuncle's posts.

My God. I don't know how GreatGuardian has not thrown his PC out the freaking window yet. I applaud you. You have more patience than I do. It's why I have stopped posting here. Takes too much effort to subdue my anger.

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Originally Posted by Tenshibaby

Well since you are the one who doesn't know that 0.8 to 1.0 is a 25% increase, maybe it is YOU who should stop right now. You have nothing on my character, do you? If so, please elaborate. My character has been ranked mostly in the teens ranked on FFXIAH for years before Abyssea, which isn't amazing, but certainly keeps me from being gimp. Maybe you would be so kind as to show us your character, if you are not too ashamed?

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I had a feeling you were going to bring up that figure.

Let's go through the math. Are we assuming 0 level difference and a 1handed weapon?

300/250 = 1.20 cRatio (with condition dLVL=0).

pDIF_min = 0.94
pDIF_max = 1.44
pDIF_average(assuming modal distribution; no proof of this but since I assume it for both, shouldn't hurt) = 1.19

330/250 = 1.32 cRatio

pDIF_min = 1
pDIF_max = 1.58
pDIF_average = 1.29

d(pDIF_min) = +6.4%
d(pDIF_max) = +9.7%
d(pDIF_average) = +8.4%

Predicted increase from adding 30 Attack in this case was 10%. What's the actual increase?

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Originally Posted by Greatguardian

Going from 700 to 770 Attack is less than a 10% increase in damage, not more.

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Less than the predicted figure, as GG implied. Level correction can make it more but still... the Attack approximation does work nicely as an approximation.

inb4 you bring up an extreme case of pDIF bounds shifting like on ranged attacks or try to compare maxima and minima after the randomiser to inflate the percentage increases.

Now the math side is out of the way, FFXIAH ranking means nothing. Having a Maat's Cap simply means you have the patience to grind jobs... nothing more. It says nothing about your ability with each individual one, and indeed Maat's Cap is actually a stigma as most pre-Abyssea Maat's Caps were shockingly terrible.

To speak in plain, harsh terms - I would be ashamed of having that gear if I had all of those levelled jobs.

As for my character, bite me: http://www.ffxiah.com/player/Bahamut/Raenryong

Here's a situation where march/march is the wrong choice:

Daurdabla (lv 90)

march/march/minuet, or march/march/ballad for plds and blus.

The trials aren't that hard, just very time consuming.

Anyways, what +march value are you using for your numbers? +2 (standard instrument), +3 (instrument and aoidos' manchettes +2 OR 90 ghorn) or +4 (90 ghorn and aiodos' manchettes +2)

And to rog way back at the start of the thread: Yes, your rdm needs to skill divine when they finish raising the level caps--rdm/whm will get repose at lv 96.

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Originally Posted by Khiinroye

Here's a situation where march/march is the wrong choice:

Daurdabla (lv 90)

march/march/minuet, or march/march/ballad for plds and blus.

The trials aren't that hard, just very time consuming.

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Seriously? This is your argument? I'm dumbfounded.

I'm 99% sure he's messing around.

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Originally Posted by RaenRyong

I'm 99% sure he's messing around.

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Its so hard to tell who is trolling and who isnt on these boards, theres such rampant stupidity everywhere you look.

True, I'll give you that.

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Originally Posted by RaenRyong

As for my character, bite me: http://www.ffxiah.com/player/Bahamut/Raenryong

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Are you just desperate to try to score a cheap point, or were you not paying attention when I said I didn't bring out my stored gear for the easy NM? I am leveling DNC and quick-changed to BST for Valiant knife.
By your logic I could mock you only having one weapon equipped.

And fwiw, I'm not really impressed at all by your gear. You have very little that I don't have, and nothing that I have desired. An almace might be nice, but I haven't cared about relics/mythics/empyreans enough to pursue one, aside from relic gear, of which I have 80 pieces out of 100 last I checked.

And lol @ your Haste-whoreness, rather have people see you with a 1% Haste neck than the Mavi scarf!?

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Originally Posted by Tenshibaby

Are you just desperate to try to score a cheap point, or were you not paying attention when I said I didn't bring out my stored gear for the easy NM? I am leveling DNC and quick-changed to BST for Valiant knife.
By your logic I could mock you only having one weapon equipped.

And fwiw, I'm not really impressed at all by your gear. You have very little that I don't have, and nothing that I have desired. An almace might be nice, but I haven't cared about relics/mythics/empyreans enough to pursue one, aside from relic gear, of which I have 80 pieces out of 100 last I checked.

And lol @ your Haste-whoreness, rather have people see you with a 1% Haste neck than the Mavi scarf!?

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Unless you are capped haste, 1% haste > w/e stats on mavi scarf for TPing. Are you one of those people who "doesnt believe in gear swapping"? If so, it explains alot.

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Originally Posted by Tenshibaby

Are you just desperate to try to score a cheap point, or were you not paying attention when I said I didn't bring out my stored gear for the easy NM? I am leveling DNC and quick-changed to BST for Valiant knife.
By your logic I could mock you only having one weapon equipped.

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You are using a Jaegar Ring, Diabolos Earring... etc. Why would you even own those?

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And fwiw, I'm not really impressed at all by your gear. You have very little that I don't have, and nothing that I have desired. An almace might be nice, but I haven't cared about relics/mythics/empyreans enough to pursue one, aside from relic gear, of which I have 80 pieces out of 100 last I checked.

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Most AF2 is trash and your equipment history shows a grand total of two AF3+1 items and no AF3+2 (though I know it can be flawed).

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And lol @ your Haste-whoreness, rather have people see you with a 1% Haste neck than the Mavi scarf!?

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Rather cap my Haste than have 3.6acc I won't use and 4atk. Though it's scanning wrong gear for some reason... should be Mavi Mintan +2 and an Almah Torque now (PCC when(if) acc needed).

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Originally Posted by RaenRyong

Most AF2 is trash and your equipment history shows a grand total of two AF3+1 items and no AF3+2 (though I know it can be flawed).

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all thse number labels confuse me af3 is the last quest but let me try...

you are saying there is no emp +2 gear that is useless? lets see

SAM set bonus,

SAM body, could use more stats ( like str etc)
WAR body, see sam
WAR head is usless. (lest +1 is, +2 i guess can be debated vs twlight for ws)
SCH legs (both +1 and +2)

there is most liky more but that is just off the top my head ( and SCH pants really irks me)

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Originally Posted by Rambus

all thse number labels confuse me af3 is the last quest but let me try...

you are saying there is no emp +2 gear that is useless? lets see

SAM set bonus,

SAM body, could use more stats ( like str etc)
WAR body, see sam
WAR head is usless. (lest +1 is, +2 i guess can be debated vs twlight for ws)
SCH legs (both +1 and +2)

there is most liky more but that is just off the top my head ( and SCH pants really irks me)

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What are you talking about? RaenRyong was pointing out that Tenshibaby has no af3+2(emp+2 in your vocab) and only 2 pieces of af3+1(emp+1 in your vocab). Nothing was said about af3+2 being useless or not. He said that most af2(relic in your vocab probably) is useless and that having 80/100 af2 pieces is not an accomplishment(which it isnt, all it proves is you spend way too much time in dynamis).

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SAM body, could use more stats ( like str etc)
WAR body, see sam

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Store TP isn't a good stat? Also, macros.

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WAR head is usless. (lest +1 is, +2 i guess can be debated vs twlight for ws)

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Given Attack does nothing for WAR a lot of the time...

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SCH legs (both +1 and +2)

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Best enfeebling legs or am I missing something? Granted you don't have to do much of that.

Compared to Relic Gear where at least 90% of it is absolutely useless...

lol So 80 pieces of relic is no accomplishment, but 2 pieces of AF3+2 is. I love how desperate some of you are to prove your point, and how oblivious you are to how wrong you are.

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Originally Posted by Tenshibaby

And lol @ your Haste-whoreness, rather have people see you with a 1% Haste neck than the Mavi scarf!?

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Mavi Scarf is uttertly worthless if you have capped blu merits. The added skill won't push you into a new teir and the only reason you would even want it is just to be a completist.

wat

I swear to god some people need reading comprehension lessons.

I was insulting your horrendous gear (unless FFXIAH is inaccurate) while pointing out that you have ZERO AF3+2 and TWO pieces of AF3+1. I certainly wouldn't be bragging about two pieces of AF3+2.

And no, 80 pieces of relic is no accomplishment. Maat's Cap is no accomplishment. Do you even use gear swaps? You seem wayyyy 2006ish.

May as well go listing how much Assault armour you have, who cares if most of it is worthless? I suppose an Abyssea burner like me wouldn't understand that good things like March and proper gear is better than having a load of terribly undergeared jobs and no understanding of commonly available game mechanics.

I just love how no one has pointed out that he made a jab at Raen "Only having one sword", when anyone who's even SEEN an Empyrean DD on FFXIAH knows that all Empyrean Weapons show up as blank slots. He's main-handing an Almace, you Trog.

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Originally Posted by RaenRyong

And no, 80 pieces of relic is no accomplishment. Maat's Cap is no accomplishment. Do you even use gear swaps? You seem wayyyy 2006ish.

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Yet this made it to the top of your FFXIAH page (not that most of it wasn't available in your character info:
Maat: 03/06/07; 21:10PM. 1/2. ~ 75 Dark Knight - 27/07/07 ~ 75 Paladin - 13/01/08 ~ 75 Thief - 22/06/08 ~ 75 Red Mage - 28/02/09 ~ 75 Dragoon - 12/08/09 ~ Full Homam - 21/12/2008 ~ Mithra ass = pageviews!

You don't see me throwing around my having gear, but I can tell you this: if you summed up all my gear and what it takes to get that, and did the same for your gear, you'd exit quietly and suddenly from this thread.

As for gear swapping, it's really not a redeeming quality of the game. I do use it (on BST it is almost required, not that you'd know).

Basically you guys have summed it up like all blowhards: gear = skill and following the trend = being the best job you can be. I don't use my gear to back up my skill, but I certainly could. Don't be fooled by what is there on FFXIAH. I'd put the skill of someone who had Salvage or Abjuration gear in 2009 against someone who has full AF3+2 today. The Abyssea NM system is a joke, and not indicative of skill IN THE SLIGHTEST.