Monstrosity Feedback

Question to the dev's, Is it possible for you to implement items, or perhaps instincts based similar to exp rings? or perhaps a similar system to fov/gov? As this may keep those interested who want to lvl HNM and regular mobs past 70 but would get a better exp bonus than grinding through mobs that eventually give 100-150 xp. And those are in the camps where you added new high lvl mobs at the same time as releasing abyssea. I think the issue is that people don't like the idea of grinding slow lvls anymore, yeah its what we used to do. But the games not exactly doing well servers wise nowadays. People want fun stuff to do, I personally love monstrosity. But their maybe others that do but find it really boring past 70.

Well except for large mobs you can still fight T+s still like 95 I think? Still gets rather slow and monotonous though.


Anyways a question of my own. So HNM status is suppose to give 50 more faculty points and at 99 we already have 109... so my question is when are we going to get more slots for instincts? Right now to actually use all those faculty points you'd have to basically fill it mostly with just the job ones which is a bad idea. For example right now to cap haste I use 52 points and 8 slots that would leave me with over 100 points for 4 slots when the highest amount is 15 <.<. Even right now I'm more worried about slots than points so often will equip instincts that aren't very efficient point wise just because they are more efficient slot wise

Past 50 I find it boring as hell, I got my Lizard, Bugard, and Wivre all to 60 so I could unlock Adamantoise, I got it to 81 so far, but its just so slow & boring that every time I log in to work on it I kill enough mobs for half of my XP bar, maybe a full bar, then log off or go afk because its just so boring. All I have done for the past 6 levels is kill birds in Misar, over, and over, and over again.

I would love leveling to be faster, I mean, we already have more mobs right now than we have individual jobs, and most mobs are the same as one another for the first 30 or so levels since the grand majority are all WAR/WAR at level 1, and do not get any differences till 30+ besides TP abilities, which are not enough to make it enjoyable to level nearly the same mob all over again. I originally wanted to unlock Behemoth after getting my Adamantoise to 99, now... I can hardly hit 99 with my Adamantoise, if I last that long, I don't think I can make it through 4 level 75s, and a level 90 just to unlock Behemoth, which I will then want to get to 99 as well...

I think new instincts might cost more since they are giving us so many extra points we can use, what I am more worried about is, are there any other advantages to being a NM or HNM? I mean, more points is nice and all, but if that's all we get, its not really enough I can say I think it matters much unless they do make things cost more, because as it stands, we hardly need more points at 99.

As a true adventurer, I apologize for my jilted comrades' statements of abhorrent nonsense. Oh ye Altana, I do not beg for changes of beast, nor of man, nor of any element or spell known. I ask only that we be allowed a single character(or letter) the lowercase Alpha from the written language of the Grecian peoples. I am able to find greek beta(ß) in many forms, however, where I expect an alpha(α) I find only a common a.

If it helps, I'm on Shiva server as a NA player with both PC and PS2. Normally in PC use, the Alpha char holds @[(alt)+224;α&#03b1;&alpha].

I understand that translation is hard for software development. I also understand how part of the development process requires that game terms are kept out of the /translate function until they have been approved past the 'test' phase.

/ms "Fighting Stance α" translates over the net, but because of the way that games are made, fonts need to be pretty exclusive.

Say what you will, but I'm not embarrassed by the fact that I have never used any application to alter FFXI, no windower, nada. I felt like a cheater by altering my macro file outside of the game. 83 BF bitwise non-comment.

From my knowledge and research, Gnole and Wamoura both have the issue of this simple syntax omission.

Altana, if it be your will, I would surely appreciate the ability to scribe the greek character known as alpha.

Kinda largely depends on the monster. Like Gnat has been insanely fast even without any support or healing abilities. But then again I maintain an almost constant ~69% haste on it. So I can still chain 5 VTs for 900 on the last kill at 90 with little to no prep actions to help. So I still get over a level an hour. If I had some outside cures, buffs and debuffs it would be real crazy. Ladybug went pretty fast too once I realized the dot on it's AOE move doesn't seem to work on dark type mobs. Gnole get's pretty crazy too. Seen a few pull like 6 IT+ stand in front of them with max counter rate and boost to counter dmg

I don't doubt some are fast, but others are very slow, leveling my Adamantiose for instance has been very slow, and the fact I still haven't unlocked Testudo Tremor at level 81 hasn't mad things any easier for me either.

Oh I know. I still have nightmares about Chigoe. Sadly I think moves like that might be locked to NM/HNM mode or something

From the Update notes:

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Damage Increased
Dust Cloud / Lamb Chop / Ram Charge / Campiric Lash / Spinning Top / Fireball / Snort / Cyclotail / Snowball / Venom / Sprout Spin / Critical Bite / Cannonball / Aqua Fortis / Regurgitation / Seedspray / Nox Blast
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Have we any information if they're planning to allow monipulators to cast all spells available to their job/subjob, regardless of the spells learnt as adventurer?

I think square enix should put boxes and notorius monsters in monstrosity i'd like to be able to get rewards from monsters instead on just exp and infamy i think they should give like boxes that have infamy in them or KI's to give you more infamy per kill or exp or even an attribute or hp/mp % it doesn't have to be a huge reward from the boxes just something to make the monstrosity more fun since you can't go into dungeons with all the monsters and can't enter abyssea it would balance it out a little also i think there should be some type of merit thing for monstrosity.

I had a similar idea. I'd like to be able to fight NM as well. Whether we can get teleported to a special arena or just have them spawn in the Feretory, it'd be great to be able to fight, let's say, Bukhis for example. They COULD make it drop stuff since when we're NMs things do drop to us but, really, that's just gravy. I mostly just want to pit my monster(s) against some past NM's and tough monsters.

In a similar idea, I'd also like to participate in BCNM. Maybe we'd have to pay the cost with the appropriate item (Cloud Evokers, 6*Orbs, etc) beforehand or something. Maybe we'd get something for clearing certain tiers of BCNM. Maybe at the end, we'd get to re-fight mission and end expansion bosses that we've already beaten (Ouryu, Ark Angels, Promathia, Shinryu, etc) and get a reward for beating that. Maybe we'd unlock a special pygmy skin of some of the end bosses for beating them (That's a long shot even with pipe dream thinking :P)?

Sorry, I'm just blue skying at the potential that this very fun system has. I'd to see this stuff but I don't know what the future holds.

So I think you should be able to get drops as a monster vs a player and buy items with infamy. Right now with only being able to get items as a gladiator that means either straight up getting drops off of monipulators or using prestige but farming prestige off of regular monsters when you are capped at 90 in crappy zones without being able to swap gear the way we normally do would be mindblowingly painful. So that leaves us farming it off of monipulators. The only problem with that is where is the incentive for the monipulators? I mean if they lose they lose 30% of their infamy and if they win they only get 20% of their oppenents prestige in infamy and since their oppenent is clearly farming off of you probably don't have that much. On top of that just leveling up your monipulators you have more infamy than you can use. So there is little to no advantage to fighting as a monipulator and a bit to lose while fighting as a gladiator there is much to gain

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Originally Posted by dasva

So I think you should be able to get drops as a monster vs a player and buy items with infamy. Right now with only being able to get items as a gladiator that means either straight up getting drops off of monipulators or using prestige but farming prestige off of regular monsters when you are capped at 90 in crappy zones without being able to swap gear the way we normally do would be mindblowingly painful. So that leaves us farming it off of monipulators. The only problem with that is where is the incentive for the monipulators? I mean if they lose they lose 30% of their infamy and if they win they only get 20% of their oppenents prestige in infamy and since their oppenent is clearly farming off of you probably don't have that much. On top of that just leveling up your monipulators you have more infamy than you can use. So there is little to no advantage to fighting as a monipulator and a bit to lose while fighting as a gladiator there is much to gain

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It's not so much of an incentive, as an acceptable risk. If you level up from 10-20 in Buburimu Peninsula, you can help to get your rank up, same with xarcabard (~50?) and then Uleg later on. You get to rank up by levelling in these 3 zones and you get your extra 20 or 40 points towards instincts, but it means that you're subject to a gladiator attacking you, who is likely higher level than you.

Oh I wasn't referring to leveling in those zones with the chance that a gladiator could attack you so much as actually trying to fight gladiators. It's kinda lopsided where the monipulator really rather wouldn't unless just for fun while the gladiator has much incentive to do so. While I see nothing wrong with there being a risk of some random high level gladiator coming up and whomping on you while you level up to get rank up I just think maybe there should be some kind of meaning to actually fighting back as a monipulator. As is right now if that happens and you think there is any chance you could lose it's much more likely you'd call for a high level friend while trying to kite the gladiator with your 10k hp. Or worst case scenario you just force disconnect and you should still be alive by the time it auto logs you off.

Just killed a 1 star, who should have given me at least 2k prestige, but I got nada ><

Now that monsters have the ability to change modes, can Turtles be given that ability? I would like to be able to go inside of my shell and gain a potent Regen effect while I am inside like the real ones can, not all can I know, but not all Gnoles can stand either, but you have allowed them to do so when played. Also when fish come out, I would like to think the snails will have the same ability! :x

I posted about that in passing in this post:

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Originally Posted by Mefuki

I'd like to see this. I'd like to see moving forward more job coverage in general. Ninjas, Scholars, Beastmasters, etc. Speaking of BST, I'm reminded now. I noticed that almost every monipulator is still missing one of their TP moves like Rafflesia is missing Floral Bouquet, Gnole missing Call of The Moon, Peistes missing Grim Glower, etc etc. Can we expect to unlock these via spending large amounts of Infamy like we have to to unlock certain sub-species or perhaps from quests of some sort? Or are they going to be available at level 99, perhaps?

Also, as NM/HNMs, can we expect to gain the ability to have access to some of the quirks that made NMs so interesting and sometimes challenging in the first place? Things like En-enfeeble effects, auras, withdrawing into shells (similar to Aspidochelone), absorbing certain elements to heal and other traits that NMs have that make them difficult/tactically interesting (just look to other NM's you've made in the past for more examples).

I think between this and giving us more interesting job combinations will make fighting as a monster more appealing and will make for some cool strategic value, particularly when MON Vs. MON gets released and/or when we start fighting uncapped.

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True, but you also added in many other things, I was specifically asking just for the form change because we have the ability to change stances with certain ones, and that's basically what this is. I do agree it would be nice to be able to add more of those things, I just wanted to ask specifically for this since it seems more realistic in my opinion. :x

No prestige again from killing a 1 star player. Can the devs please explain what is happening here? As if it wasn't hard enough to get prestige in the first place...

On this occasion, the monipulator was defeated by other monsters, not by myself (he ran and agro'd everything in his path).

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Originally Posted by Babekeke

No prestige again from killing a 1 star player. Can the devs please explain what is happening here? As if it wasn't hard enough to get prestige in the first place...

On this occasion, the monipulator was defeated by other monsters, not by myself (he ran and agro'd everything in his path).

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That might have had something to do with it. Did you get the message that you claimed it? I've killed ones dozens of times and always gotten prestige so maybe some weird glitch for you?

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Originally Posted by dasva

That might have had something to do with it. Did you get the message that you claimed it? I've killed ones dozens of times and always gotten prestige so maybe some weird glitch for you?

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Killed one that was AFK today and I got prestige. Also killed a friend as I ran by him - I got the message that I claimed him, but the mobs he was fighting killed him, not me - no Prestige.

So, it seems that if you are playing as a monster and not AFK and a gladiator attacks you, all you have to do is run, agro as many mobs as you can, and hope that they kill you, not the player = no reward for the player, and no infamy lost. This means that you can only kill mobs if you can gravity them, or they're AFK, or it's an organised battle with friends that they aren't going to run from.

Things that need fixing/changing with PvP

1) Gestation - I'm sure that there was a reason to give the rubbish Gestation to the PvP zones, however, it really really really really sucks! If 18 hour gestation is unacceptable due to people being able to pop up 'out of nowhere' to attack people, then please adjust it thusly:

Go to Uleguerand Range. Time how long it takes to run all the way from the entrance to the the frozen lake, or vice versa. Add 2 minutes. Make that the new Gestation period for PvP zones.

2) Prevent agro from other mobs in the zone once a monipulator is claimed. As I mentioned above, a monipulator can get themselves killed by other monsters in the zone to prevent the Gladiator from getting the reward, and taking their infamy. Also, Monipulators have been known to quickly kill other mobs around them to level up whilst fighting Gladiators. Please remove this capability to attack other mobs while they are claimed.

3) Include a penalty for running away. Make an area maybe 100 yalms from where the monipulator is claimed. If the monipulator runs too far, they are considered to have lost and will lose their infamy and drop a chest, rewarding the Gladiator(s). Same for if the Gladiator(s) run.

I'm sure there are more, but I'm out of time. I'll add more if I think about them later.

Monstrosity is the reason I resubscribed to FFXI. I would like to thank Mr. Ryota Iwagami and his team for making this possible.

With that said, I have a few suggestions to add.

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1. Open more zones for Monstrosity.

I am sure zones will be added with content updates but here are some I and most likely everyone else would really like:

• Gustav Tunnel
• Korroloka Tunnel
• Kuftal Tunnel & Quicksand Caves
• Labyrinth of Onzozo & Bibiki Bay (Including Purgonorgo Isle)
• The Boyahda Tree & Ro'Maeve
• Tu'Lia (Ru'Aun Gardens, The Shrine of Ru'Avitau & Ve'Lugannon Palace)
• All of Delkfutt Tower
• Elshimo Island zones
• Attohwa Chasm
• and the rest of the open Aht Urgan zones.

2. If Kuftal Tunnel is added, set one of the spawn points behind the moving rock so that we can access the higher level monsters at any time of the day.

3. If Quicksand Caves is added, allow the Loadstone key item to work as a Monipulator.

4. Allow us to set Belligerency music to play only when fighting Gladiators.
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That is all for now. I am very much enjoying Monstrosity and highly anticipating the coming updates. Keep up the great work!

OK, I found something else....

Ram has a TP move called "Rumble": "Reduces evasion of all enemies around the caster"

Unfortunately, it has poor accuracy such that anything that you need to land eva down on, you can't. It only works on mobs that you can hit just fine anyway, thus making it completely pointless.

Oh and whilst I'm at it: Some mobs have TP moves that are considered 'ranged attacks', like Mandragora's Leaf Dagger and Opo-Opo's Stone Throw. All are also useless due to there being no way to increase ranged accuracy (other than maybe using every agi instinct out there). Even with +15 Agi set, I can't hit even Even Match mobs with Stone Throw with enough success to warrant using it at all.

I imagine +Ranged accuracy instincts will start coming once RNG monsters are released.

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Originally Posted by Babekeke

Include a penalty for running away. Make an area maybe 100 yalms from where the monipulator is claimed. If the monipulator runs too far, they are considered to have lost and will lose their infamy and drop a chest, rewarding the Gladiator(s). Same for if the Gladiator(s) run.

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This would be difficult to implement. We certainly understand that users would like every battle to have a conclusion. Running away by changing areas is something that we could easily detect, but we also have to consider the possibility of a user being disconnected. Also, in the scenario a player leaves a specified area where the battle started, it would be difficult to confirm which player was running away and both competitors could potentially receive the penalty.

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Originally Posted by Catmato

Make mobs not aggressive when Monipulating. Mobs don't attack other mobs normally, why do they do it when we're at the helm?

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If monipulators do not receive aggro from monsters, but gladiators do, it wouldn’t be fair for gladiators.
In addition, monsters have different strengths and weaknesses depending on their type. We encourage users to select a monster type that fits the area.

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Originally Posted by Tanama

With that said, I have a few suggestions to add.
I am sure zones will be added with content updates but here are some I and most likely everyone else would really like:

• Gustav Tunnel
• Korroloka Tunnel
• Kuftal Tunnel & Quicksand Caves
• Labyrinth of Onzozo & Bibiki Bay (Including Purgonorgo Isle)
• The Boyahda Tree & Ro'Maeve
• Tu'Lia (Ru'Aun Gardens, The Shrine of Ru'Avitau & Ve'Lugannon Palace)
• All of Delkfutt Tower
• Elshimo Island zones
• Attohwa Chasm
• and the rest of the open Aht Urgan zones.

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Thank you for the suggestions! We still have plans to introduce even more monstrosity areas and in addition to that, we have an idea to host a monipulator and gladiator PvP specific “Diorama Abdhaljs” area.

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Originally Posted by Babekeke

Gestation - I'm sure that there was a reason to give the rubbish Gestation to the PvP zones, however, it really really really really sucks! If 18 hour gestation is unacceptable due to people being able to pop up 'out of nowhere' to attack people, then please adjust it thusly:
Go to Uleguerand Range. Time how long it takes to run all the way from the entrance to the the frozen lake, or vice versa. Add 2 minutes. Make that the new Gestation period for PvP zones.

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To prevent users from gaining an unfair advantage, the gestation period during PvP is only 1 minute. Also, it is part of the purpose for the gestation period to allow users to move. We feel that currently there is not enough advantage or disadvantage involved to cause a problem.

My thoughts:

Regarding Aggro:
Adventurers are able to psychically discern monsters' levels and names, the names of items we obtain, the stats of items we obtain, etc. I do think that real monsters should be able to sense that something isn't right about monipulators, and I support aggro in Monstrosity. However, it would be nice if lizards could aggro chigoes. They are currently very difficult to engage when playing as a lizard.

Diorama Abdhaljs
Yes, yes, a million times, yes!

Gestation Duration:
Gestation limitation is very important in PvP; otherwise, players could just stay invisible and stalk a a monipulator until it is down to a sliver of health from fighting normal monsters, and then they drop gestation and kill the monipulator in one nuke. Therefore, I support the developers' stance on this as well. Also, Babekeke, when traveling long distances, you can log out and log back in to reobain gestation. Not a practical strategy to use to stalk people, but it's a great way to get across Uleg in less than 30 minutes when playing as a slow monipulator.

Now, an issue: unequal speed during gestation:
All monipulators should have an equal starting point when gestating. However, when playing as slow monsters such as wamouracampa, adamantoise, and marid, our speed is severely penalized even when gestating. Can gestation speed be a constant value, rather than being a multiplier with the monipulator's normal speed as the base? In other words, when gestating, raptors and wamouracampas would both run at raptor-like speed. But without gestation, they'd have their normal speeds.

Can we get party setting when getting experience? not when fighting gladiators, just when gathering exp? Soloing can be a drag.

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Originally Posted by Kaiichi

Can we get party setting when getting experience? not when fighting gladiators, just when gathering exp? Soloing can be a drag.

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I second this! I've leveled a huge number of monipulators and I can say... it really does start to drag... Not only that, it starts to become a chore, and can get kinda lonely soloing all the time. :<

I really hope co-op play of some sort between mons, or even other regular players, comes around the bend soon. It's something I really look forward to if/when it happens. :)

HNM and NM faculty point bonus needs to transfer to non-belligerency areas or there is no point in exiting belligerency. In fact, there's little point in leaving Buburimu alone, since there's no risk of a level 30 gladiator beating a decent monipulator, and since massacring tons of easy prey in 1-4 hits each amounts to much faster EXP than killing higher level monsters slowly. The lack of faculty point bonuses outside belligerency makes it so that leveling outside Bubu/Xarc/Uleg is even more sluggish.

Unless you make it so that there's incentive to leave Buburimu (besides boredom), you might as well not add any more areas besides Abdhaljs. :( Also, with the large number of species, the EXP for each level needs to be reduced starting from level 50 (or even earlier) onwards.

I find it's a bit faster to just ignore nm/hnm points and lvl elsewhere. Most monsters can at least chain 5 on VTs for 1800 xp if they can pick there prey better than those limited 3 zones (demons and undead only are pretty ugg) which is mighty fast lol. Of course if you have more than 9999 infamy you wont get anything so you either bite that bullet or keep siphoning off. Of course since I've bought all instincts and monsters I can awhile that means letting another character kill me to build their prestige... but if they I don't go to 20k there wont be a chance to get alloy tonic+1. And the nq are praticaly useless lol. Of course not all monsters can do that. I'm looking at you chigoe <.<.

Maybe it's just because my server is sleepy and I've only been leveling at NA times, but I've been XPing almost only in the NQ/NM/HNM zones. I did 9-32 in Buburimu, went 32-60 in Xarcabard, and now I'm looking at the jump to U.range.

HNM status is awesome, but if you don't have the instincts to take full advantage of it, there's kind of no reason to push for it and use these zones.

I have plenty of instincts, more than I can use even with HNM status. My monsters take a devastating drop in power if I drop HNM status.

If you went all the way to 60 in Xarcabard, I'm sure you haven't tried going back to Buburimu. Xarcabard chains start to die at 51/52, and from then on, the monsters take an eternity (relative to Bubu) to whittle down for the same amount of EXP as a monster that dies in 1-4 hits in Buburimu. Xarc monsers also pile on status effects like they're milk on cereal, and they aggro and link enough to take your HP down. Xarcabard is COMPLETELY pointless at 53+. You can't chain anymore.

There are brief level ranges where it is better to chain in Xarc/Uleg, but when those chains dry up, it's back to Buburimu. Other HNMs on my server are catching on too, and boy, is Buburimu getting old here on Quetz.

Buburimu tip: it's the Mighoya Dunes and Kibubu Lighthouse parts of the zone that make most of monstrosity's EXP options a waste of time.

They really just need to lift the 10k infamy cap on non belligerancy zones. And add zones for all mob sizes that have mobs over lvl 100. Going from 60k+ xp an hour to like 10-30k just so I can keep getting infamy or because everything is too low of a level is kinda fail.

I got spoiled......I started this 2 weeks ago during the event celebration. Being my first time I didn't realize double xp was applied. I was having a blast and I still am!!.....but xp shrunk bad on 25th.I agree with others if we got to use infamy to get xp bonus, or just have it permanent for Monstrosity. My 2 kids have their own character on separate accounts and they love this cause it's a lot like pokemon, the FFXI version, but son got kinda discouraged when he noticed the xp drop too. I'm not even close to unlocking all monster, but i'd love to have the chance to be an Imp, or Demon and my kids liked having elementals in Pankration. I'd die if I got to be Vrtra!! So while I dream of those, it'd be cool to be any mob in game, even if we earn no instinct from them, just so we could have fun with them all. Gotta "catch" them all! Thanks SE for a really great event!.Feels like the old days lvling low jobs to 99 w/o doing abyssea! :D

So far as the PvP aspect in this event goes, while it is fun and can be very enjoyable I think there should be some way to penalize people for taking advantage of monsters. What I mean is that I can often find myself leveling in an area such as Uleg as low as 53, yet players at level 90 not only can attack me, with a 37 level gap, but can also attack at the most opportunistic of times, such as when my HP is low, say, 10%, and I am recovering from a battle, some players will swoop in and kill me while I can do nothing about it. These two things make it very annoying, either one can lead to a swift defeat that is unavoidable unless you run, and that in itself is a problem, running from a battle is far to easy, same with abusing monsters being able to heal. Sleeping your enemy and walking away a few steps can allow your auto-regen to kick in and heal you a great deal, while players have no such ability.

I have been Ambushed with a large level gap 3 times, 2 times I had the luck of fighting someone who was understanding, and left me alone because it was unfair, I have had 3 encounters with people who were waiting for my HP to be low, 2 of which, I pulled through and won with strategy and skill, as well as the fact I was on monsters which were RDMs, allowing me a great deal of power, but the 3rd, I was on a WAR, at 10% HP I had no hope of winning, and died quickly. I understand fixing some of these will be difficult, but I just want to point them out because together they do hurt the amount of fun that can be had with the event.

The last issue is the prices of items bought with Prestige should be drastically lowered. Monsters are so strong that it is nearly impossible to kill 1 solo at the same level as you are, the maximum gain possible is 10,000 Prestige, that's if you beat a HNM with capped Infamy, a task that is never easy, if you fight them with a full Alliance you get only around 500 Infamy, 50 kills of capped Infamy HNMs to get enough for the base piece alone! The need to get just 25,000 for a piece of gear, and then so much more for a capped piece of gear, let alone letting it evolve into something better, and then upgrading that, its just not really fair. This content needs to last a while, and trust me, its working, many people enjoy it, and its what I myself spend the majority of my time doing even, but the PvP aspect just isn't rewarding to me. This one, is easy to fix, but its more a matter of how you wish to fix it, the new prices you set, the ideal amounts needed to upgrade, and so on. If you make the prices this high, no one will do it unless they abuse it, simply because otherwise, its far to slow, to tedious, who would bother with such a thing?

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Originally Posted by Tanama

2. If Kuftal Tunnel is added, set one of the spawn points behind the moving rock so that we can access the higher level monsters at any time of the day.

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This can be problematic, I hate the idea of getting stuck back there at level 60 and having to die till I don't get popped back there, at the same time, its not a fun idea to have to die repeatedly at a higher level to get that pop spot either, just so I can level up in the zone.

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Originally Posted by Edyth

Gestation Duration:
Gestation limitation is very important in PvP; otherwise, players could just stay invisible and stalk a a monipulator until it is down to a sliver of health from fighting normal monsters, and then they drop gestation and kill the monipulator in one nuke. Therefore, I support the developers' stance on this as well. Also, Babekeke, when traveling long distances, you can log out and log back in to reobain gestation. Not a practical strategy to use to stalk people, but it's a great way to get across Uleg in less than 30 minutes when playing as a slow monipulator.

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This really does not work. I can go out on RDM/SCH and Invisible/Sneak myself as soon as I pop, find a monster, and follow them. Nothing is different than my movement speed during this, I can still be targeted just like under Gestation, I can still attack, and I can still take advantage of monsters. I do not do this, but I know its possible, and has happened to me, limiting it sounds good for balance but its just as bad as it is good. I often level in Uleg at around level 53, I can fight the monsters at the entrance, nothing else, however of the 5~ish spots I can pop, only 2 can get me there before it wears, there is a 3rd, but I have to fight the Bats in the caves, which are a pain, and the last 2 are on the other side of the zone, with no hope of getting there in time, not even close. So it really limits a monster's ability to do things, and gives next to no real benefit, in my opinion.

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Originally Posted by Demon6324236

This really does not work. I can go out on RDM/SCH and Invisible/Sneak myself as soon as I pop, find a monster, and follow them. Nothing is different than my movement speed during this, I can still be targeted just like under Gestation, I can still attack, and I can still take advantage of monsters. I do not do this, but I know its possible, and has happened to me, limiting it sounds good for balance but its just as bad as it is good. I often level in Uleg at around level 53, I can fight the monsters at the entrance, nothing else, however of the 5~ish spots I can pop, only 2 can get me there before it wears, there is a 3rd, but I have to fight the Bats in the caves, which are a pain, and the last 2 are on the other side of the zone, with no hope of getting there in time, not even close. So it really limits a monster's ability to do things, and gives next to no real benefit, in my opinion.

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Precisely.

I knew about the logging off trick since before PvP was released as it was the only way to get through some areas of crawler's nest and toraimorai canal, which were among my favourite levelling spots, when on a job with no sneak/invis.

I'm not asking for the same 18 hour gestation as was given for non-pvp zones (and tbh 18 hours seems a little over-kill anyway) but just 5 mins would be far more beneficial.

In Uleg if you're on a lvl 50 job on a slow moving mob like adamantoise or marid, you are pretty much limited to just 1 spawn point to get to camp without having to fight anything or weave your way around the mobs. And Marid is war/war only >.>

Could we have monipulators' species-based elemental weaknesses (represented by a negative number) and resistances reflected in the status screen? It would be nice to have this information. Perhaps we'll learn some weaknesses are worth compensating for using instincts if the negative value is low enough.