HNMs and the future of FFXI

This will be my last post in this thread as I don't want to give this guy anymore fuel.

He is talking to his friends and laughing at each and every one of the posters in this thread. Before anyone else decides to try to debate / argue with this guy, just remember he's sitting back laughing at you with his friends. That's not even his real character, it's a mule or alt. If everyone cease's discussion with him he'll go away.

*Slowly come into the forum with a bullet proof vest on*... I am pro-HNM.. -> BUT <- and bare with me as i say this, what i found thrilling about HNMs is it's this world wide "event" that is out of a player's control to trigger, good examples are besieges and campaign battles where areas are attacked at will per enemy actions. Even tho they just pop out of thin air ,lol, i enjoyed fighting a super NM that apears on occasion, even though its on a timer. So i guess where im going with this is how about we have world spawns, with <place alotted spawn time> untill a nm appears, but make it a conflict style like campaign where people can drop in and out of the fray, like an untimely invasion or a HNM who just wants to kick players asses and run wild, spoil distribution?, Have us gain a type of currneny we can use for gear. So i guess im suggsting a campaign v2 but with a more HNM dedicated twist. This could be a itch that can be scratched for both hardcore and casual players if done right, if the idea sounds good id like to post it as op but it seems like a nice mid-way point between casual and hardcore what u think?

And yeh it lacks competition because you join in and drop out, but for the sake of giving this stale game some life, we need more fond memories of a giant NM eating our faces but together as a server we prevailed lol. Look at some of the servers track records for besieged win streaks, and look how popular besieged was back then, we didnt pop that army of deadly trolls and sexy beastmen females, they came in to AU wanting our floating power ball for their own gain, so we kicked their ass together so they dont kidnap our chocobo vendor.. HNMs dnt have to be a snooze fest that has to take hours of our day of sitting on our hands for a slim chance of cussing unholy words at botters and rivals we wished would die who claimed the NM and flick us off for drama sake. So neo-HNMs ftw imo without the omg /wrist claim system.

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Originally Posted by saevel

This will be my last post in this thread as I don't want to give this guy anymore fuel.

He is talking to his friends and laughing at each and every one of the posters in this thread. Before anyone else decides to try to debate / argue with this guy, just remember he's sitting back laughing at you with his friends. That's not even his real character, it's a mule or alt. If everyone cease's discussion with him he'll go away.

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You talk about Habu (Bechyne)?
He is in my LS I can tell you its not a fake account,
There is even an IRL pics of him in Okiru FFXIAH account, and i dont really wanted him back in our LS but finally he is not as bad as it :)

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Originally Posted by Hercule

You talk about Habu (Bechyne)?
He is in my LS I can tell you its not a fake account,
There is even an IRL pics of him in Okiru FFXIAH account, and i dont really wanted him back in our LS but finally he is not as bad as it :)

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doesn't want someone in ls..."not bad"

huh?

If you look the picture in Okiru ffxiah account you will understand about what i talked,
Sorry for my "French" English :p
*(Bad, I mean malicious/crook maybe better appropriate terms)

No matter, we need HNMs back for the good of FFXI,
I really dont understand the problem with people that dont want them,
And i total agree with this:

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Originally Posted by Habu

Rush of seeing a HNM pop until its claimed is the best adrenaline rush FFXI can give you.

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new world HNMs yes plz^^

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Originally Posted by Habu

Guess you're all just too casual to understand

Edit: Just tired of mobs where all you have to do is proc > kill or pop a brew.

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Ahaha, this reminded me of the whole hipster phase. "You're all just too mainstream to understand."

I'd rather proc (strategic interaction) > kill than wait for 3 hours and every 30 minutes spam /ja "Provoke" <stnpc> in hopes of beating someone else (and their bot) to claiming a monster. Then let's add in the fact that proc > kill monsters have high drop rates (HNM Kings had low drop rates), took less people, and could be done whenever I wanted to go rather than waiting every 21~24 hours Earth time.

I just truly think the mechanic of very rare spawn monsters is a neat one. It's not aall about the drops. Ever since i was lv1 hume, running into a rare spawned monster was amazing.

I may seem like kind of rude, but i try to be a NICE PLAYER who has common sense hen im not trolling.

The game should not, and does not revolve around one type of player.

The mechanic of rare spawns has been around since the dawn of ffxi, no one really has any ground to complain about what was a core game mechanic for 8 entire YEARS, and keep playing.

I don't think its fair though that elite pieces revolve around nm that only spawn once every 24-120hrs.

The return of the rare spawn mechanic should return, it offers a lot of fun and sport for a certain group. I do however think, drops should be limited to luxury only. Heralds gaiters, dark ixion/sw gear, khimaira gear is good example of what is fair and justified in a drop system for a rare NM.

limiting the absolute best slot to kings, was not good. I remember when i first got to kings, it as so crazy. everyone desperate for dalmaticaand ebody(dalmatica was the only refresh body that allowed the usage of headgear at the time.)

The idea that people sat around and botted,khim,cerb,tia,ixion,sw, is ludicris. Those nms have such a wide variety of spawn window and locations, at best you had people using programs to call out pops or alert groups. Very rarely did people sit around actually botting for claiming on them. For sw/di, botting is completley useless.

the reason some are against world spawns is not because its really an issue of botting or cheating. Thats a moot point theyre using as a scapegoat. Physically competiting for drops is quite simply, out of alot of players ability. his is due to time/caring/trying.

The mechanic of competing for rare nms or competiting at all for drops is appealing because it offers an exclusivity in ffxi that is foreign to a larger amount of people. People with jobs or people who have to focus or care. People like myself, who have more free time and care more, tend to try and play more. Thats my advantage over the average joe.

I specifically want to aim for things that offer me a bit of individuality. That's my preference, and as a 9 YEAR final fantasy xi subscriber quit/took break 2-4 times), i can say without a doubt camping and playing with and for world notorious monsters has been the center of what i did in ffxi.

Without the mechanic of world spawn or notorious monsters in the free world, or the idea of hunting something, i believe ffxi should be abyssea-related perma.

For me, it takes either the rarest/exclusive content to keep me interested or the complete opposite, something i can accomplish and do w.o needing anyone but my husband and our mule army.

VW, AND EVERY SINGLE OTHER CONTENT THEY HAVE ADDED since abyssea does not appeal to myself or players unlike me. SE needs to decide what ffxi will revolve around and they cannot have it both ways.

I think ffxi should always revolve around world notorious monsters or camps in some way, Thats what interests me personally,and i think that game mechanic offers alot to endgame, which is very instanced based alone.

Middle ground is simply, not exciting or entertaining enough for me. They need to either take endgame back to a similiar focus that was of 75, or keep us in an abyssea-esque ffxi.

The reason I think they don't want to do abyssea-esque is because no one will do casual like wow and the other mmos. FFXI will not compete well in that market, it needs some individuality to stay afloat. The trick of the trade that comes with catering to casual players,(im both casual and uncasual, all depends on the content and its value) is that when you stop feeding them tat content, it dies down very quickly. The "replay"value is so low.

You can stick 5 21-120hr pop hnms or add something super depressing like salvage with luxury items and ppl will fight over them for years and years and years and years and years and the same people will never ask for more content. VW is a botched example. VW is so unexciting (unlike hnms or something like salvage) people LITERALLY quit after 0/500 or so. The gear isnt the only issue.

It needs to be a rush. It needs to be exciting and fun. If it cant be fun, it needs to be a rush, if i cant be a rush, it needs to be fun.

The fact is, there is no room for middle ground imo in ffxi endgame, if the game is to last. They need to either completely appeal to abyssea crowd or appeal to people who want to compete, beat and feel accomplished.

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Originally Posted by Benihana

The game should not, and does not revolve around one type of player....SE needs to decide what ffxi will revolve around and they cannot have it both ways....The fact is, there is no room for middle ground imo in ffxi endgame, if the game is to last. They need to either completely appeal to abyssea crowd or appeal to people who want to compete, beat and feel accomplished....I think ffxi should always revolve around world notorious monsters or camps in some way, Thats what interests me personally

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Well, which way is it? One type of player needs to be appeased or both or just you?

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Originally Posted by Benihana

I don't think its fair though that elite pieces revolve around nm that only spawn once every 24-120hrs....The return of the rare spawn mechanic should return, it offers a lot of fun and sport for a certain group. I do however think, drops should be limited to luxury only. Heralds gaiters, dark ixion/sw gear, khimaira gear is good example of what is fair and justified in a drop system for a rare NM.

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That is your take on what should be exclusive. And, that is why the majority don't want to see their return. If all the drops occurred in other places than the HNM's, then I could get behind it. But, again, if it's going this way, then no.

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Originally Posted by Benihana

The idea that people sat around and botted,khim,cerb,tia,ixion,sw, is ludicris. Those nms have such a wide variety of spawn window and locations, at best you had people using programs to call out pops or alert groups. Very rarely did people sit around actually botting for claiming on them. For sw/di, botting is completley useless.

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khim,cerb,tia...Pretty sure that those popped in a fairly limited area. And for SW/DI, people still had programs they used to assist them that allowed them to have less people across the zones. While not as big a deal, it still shows that people will break the TOS to claim these things.

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Originally Posted by Benihana

the reason some are against world spawns is not because its really an issue of botting or cheating. Thats a moot point theyre using as a scapegoat. Physically competiting for drops is quite simply, out of alot of players ability. his is due to time/caring/trying.

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Because some people fall into this category, does not mean all people fall into this category. Nice attempt to paint everyone who does not like these with the same brush.

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Originally Posted by Benihana

The mechanic of competing for rare nms or competiting at all for drops is appealing because it offers an exclusivity in ffxi that is foreign to a larger amount of people. People with jobs or people who have to focus or care. People like myself, who have more free time and care more, tend to try and play more. Thats my advantage over the average joe.

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Having Free Time ≠ Being Skilled

I feel like you meandered all over the place in that post. Also, it's pretty obvious that S/E has shunned the HNM crowd. So saying they should not only add this back in but then cater to it, will not happen. S/E is not going to exclusively appeal to a population in the game which is currently in a very small minority. And, because there are many more visually snazzy options out there, new people who are interested in HNM's are not suddenly going to flock to the game if they go this route. So, demanding the 'all or nothing' route is a failed campaign.

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Originally Posted by Randwolf

Well, which way is it? One type of player needs to be appeased or both or just you?


That is your take on what should be exclusive. And, that is why the majority don't want to see their return. If all the drops occurred in other places than the HNM's, then I could get behind it. But, again, if it's going this way, then no.


khim,cerb,tia...Pretty sure that those popped in a fairly limited area. And for SW/DI, people still had programs they used to assist them that allowed them to have less people across the zones. While not as big a deal, it still shows that people will break the TOS to claim these things.


Because some people fall into this category, does not mean all people fall into this category. Nice attempt to paint everyone who does not like these with the same brush.


Having Free Time ≠ Being Skilled

I feel like you meandered all over the place in that post. Also, it's pretty obvious that S/E has shunned the HNM crowd. So saying they should not only add this back in but then cater to it, will not happen. S/E is not going to exclusively appeal to a population in the game which is currently in a very small minority. And, because there are many more visually snazzy options out there, new people who are interested in HNM's are not suddenly going to flock to the game if they go this route. So, demanding the 'all or nothing' route is a failed campaign.

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I was just expressing my opinion.

I never said the game should revolve around the mechanic, I said it should be included and encouraged. Its part of a specific type of endgame that appeals to some. My opinion on the state of ffxi endgame atm is simply, the only thing missing is that mechanic. It's no different now, than it was at 75.

Heres a question, did you ever even fight or camp cerb,khim,tia ? Cause you said to your knowledge... Doesn't sound like you know wtf when it comes to them. Nobody was sitting around botting them unless they popped really late in window. Again, you are delusional if you think otherwise. lol...

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Originally Posted by Benihana

Doesn't sound like you know wtf when it comes to them. Nobody was sitting around botting them unless they popped really late in window. Again, you are delusional if you think otherwise. lol...

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Yes, I did camp them. We did them less than Nid, KB, Aspi. But, we did them. Let me clear that up for you. "Unless you know of some magical place they spawn that I didn't know about, then the pop in a relatively small area." Better? It's so hard to convey sarcasm and derision in a forum post.

And, you just contradicted yourself, AGAIN. First you say no one uses bots on those. And, then they only use them if it was a late window. Do you even read your own posts before you post them? But, that is the attitude that people don't want to return. "Oh yeah, we used a bot because it was out of our region's window. And, that's why we killed it so slow the past few times. We were trying to keep it in our region's window."

The more you talk, the more it is apparent that in no way should these things ever return.

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Originally Posted by Randwolf

Yes, I did camp them. We did them less than Nid, KB, Aspi. But, we did them. Let me clear that up for you. "Unless you know of some magical place they spawn that I didn't know about, then the pop in a relatively small area." Better? It's so hard to convey sarcasm and derision in a forum post.

And, you just contradicted yourself, AGAIN. First you say no one uses bots on those. And, then they only use them if it was a late window. Do you even read your own posts before you post them? But, that is the attitude that people don't want to return. "Oh yeah, we used a bot because it was out of our region's window. And, that's why we killed it so slow the past few times. We were trying to keep it in our region's window."

The more you talk, the more it is apparent that in no way should these things ever return.

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Poor guy. You really aren't very good at reading comprehension are you?


I'm standing by my statement that most of the time, it was only kings that were abused with third party tools. The more you talk, the more clear it is, you don't know wtf.

Just got word that HNMs are indeed coming back.

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Originally Posted by Benihana

Poor guy. You really aren't very good at reading comprehension are you?


I'm standing by my statement that most of the time, it was only kings that were abused with third party tools. The more you talk, the more clear it is, you don't know wtf.

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Actually, it's more along the line of you not writing very clearly. With all your free time and no HNM's to bot, you might consider taking a class or two.

p.s. - "The idea that people sat around and botted,khim,cerb,tia,ixion,sw, is ludicris." They did or they didn't.

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Originally Posted by Randwolf

Actually, it's more along the line of you not writing very clearly. With all your free time and no HNM's to bot, you might consider taking a class or two.

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Somebody is MAYAAAADDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD

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Originally Posted by Benihana

Somebody is MAYAAAADDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD

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Nope, just amazed that some people think they are making a coherent argument when it is anything but.

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Originally Posted by Habu

Just got word that HNMs are indeed coming back.

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Whered you see this information?

http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m5ofpy7zO81qcwic6.gif

If you have a Bot for other NMs and your camping an NM... why the hell wouldn't you use the Bot? That's just retarded. This thread gets dumber and dumbererer.

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Originally Posted by Habu

I'll assume you probably never really efficiently claimed HNMs before so you've probably never experienced the thrill of claiming one way back when. People actually took pride in the gear they obtained then because it actually took some effort to get it. It adds a sense of competition that the game is lacking in an endgame setting not including PvP. What's the difference from sitting at a camp waiting for a NM pop rather than sitting in Port Jeuno waiting for a VW shout? Nothing. Yes you could make a VW party but in the time it takes to fill the party, organize jobs, and kill that set it would equal the 3 hours you spent at a camp. Did you miss the part where I mentioned 21-24 hours HNMs and last time I checked Tiamat was a 48 hour NM.

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The big difference is with VW you're gauranteed to attempt to kill it after taking "3 hours" to set up that alliance.

ok I'm not reading the hole thread.
I want hnm, but i feel long cool downs are idiotic.

my question and i've asked this over all 3 threads now

why do hnm NEED to be set on a 24hr+ timer?
I do not want any opinion just answer the question.

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Originally Posted by Rosina

ok I'm not reading the hole thread.
I want hnm, but i feel long cool downs are idiotic.

my question and i've asked this over all 3 threads now

why do hnm NEED to be set on a 24hr+ timer?
I do not want any opinion just answer the question.

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They want them at 24+ hour pops to keep the gear extremely rare. The obvious problem being that it is rather lame to make content that only %1 of the people paying for the game can do due to the incredibly long spawn window.

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Originally Posted by FrankReynolds

They want them at 24+ hour pops to keep the gear extremely rare. The obvious problem being that it is rather lame to make content that only %1 of the people paying for the game can do due to the incredibly long spawn window.

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they do reasile SE well not add it as ythat is NOT a good enough reason too.

even my hardcore arse don't want that bs waiting for crap to happen is dull.

you can make gear rare by other means, like via a huge point system.
timers are so jacked it ant funny.

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Originally Posted by Rosina

they do reasile SE well not add it as ythat is NOT a good enough reason too.

even my hardcore arse don't want that bs waiting for crap to happen is dull.

you can make gear rare by other means, like via a huge point system.
timers are so jacked it ant funny.

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I agree. That's why I'm against adding world spawn HNMs.

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Originally Posted by Rosina

they do reasile SE well not add it as ythat is NOT a good enough reason too.

even my hardcore arse don't want that bs waiting for crap to happen is dull.

you can make gear rare by other means, like via a huge point system.
timers are so jacked it ant funny.

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I didnt REASILE you worked for SE and could tell us beforehand what they will add/not add, and what they find to be good/bad reasons. Secondly you needa relax a little. I dont want 21+ hour windows anymore cause i simply cannot do it anymore. I do agree with a massive point system like NM event. But really, the screaming about HNM is getting old, its on like 3 threads, and both sides whine and troll the other each time, youre never going to agree, stfu already about it and agree to disagree. The age level of most posters on this topic is age 3, grow up a little, its unbecoming and not helpful to forum suggestions and for SE to gain ideas for us. In the end they will add what they feel will generate more money, be it no HNM or HNM, just deal with that, state your idea/opinion and move on.

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Originally Posted by Winrie

I didnt REASILE you worked for SE

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I hope you're under the legal subscription age for this game/forum. You should be ashamed.

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Originally Posted by Zerich

I hope you're under the legal subscription age for this game/forum. You should be ashamed.

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Realize. Realise. Reasile. Rea_i_e. The missing letters were likely accidentally swapped while typing, and as such is an easy mistake when typing in a hurry, or typing quickly in general.

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Originally Posted by Demon6324236

Realize. Realise. Reasile. Rea_i_e. The missing letters were likely accidentally swapped while typing, and as such is an easy mistake when typing in a hurry, or typing quickly in general.

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I type quickly and in a hurry, But i don't think i've ever swapped letters, My fingers kwon better.

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Originally Posted by Demon6324236

Realize. Realise. Reasile. Rea_i_e. The missing letters were likely accidentally swapped while typing, and as such is an easy mistake when typing in a hurry, or typing quickly in general.

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it takes a special kind of RETURD to misspell an all-caps word.

Then you can be picky and insult people for mistakes in typing, cool for you.

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Originally Posted by Zerich

it takes a special kind of RETURD to misspell an all-caps word.

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Arguing semantics of proper spelling and grammar shouldn't be the focus of the topic. If you have an issue with a person's ability to properly convey their message bring it up with them personally.

As for Winrie's actual message conveyed through their post:
Yes this is true, at this point both sides of the argument have brought up what could influence SE's decision on whether or not timed spawned HNMs may return. Most argued for the sake of creating "hardcore" content in which only few could participate while others argued that such a way of presenting HNMs could see a return of third party tools. I've tried my hand in the topic by discussing whether or not the return of such content would effect the game and SE's image to the public as I feel this is the core source for driving SE's final decision. As it stands I cannot see a positive reaction from the player base if timed HNMs return. From what we've learned of SoA I'm highly inclined to see the new HNMs as part of instanced battlefields very much like some of the dungeons they've planned out for the expansion. Just seems logical.

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Originally Posted by Demon6324236

Then you can be picky and insult people for mistakes in typing, cool for you.

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change your main to PLD.

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Originally Posted by Zerich

change your main to PLD.

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Don't like PLD.

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Originally Posted by Demon6324236

Don't like PLD.

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I don't like PLD.*

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Originally Posted by Zerich

change your main to PLD.

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Mind if I ask why you keep telling them this?

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Originally Posted by Zerich

change your main to PLD.

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The letter C is not capitalized. Do you really wanna be a 2 year old and play this little game Zeri?

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Originally Posted by Trisscar

Mind if I ask why you keep telling them this?

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Because I am a RDM who melees, I have TP sets, made Almace for RDM, and have almost finished my Excalibur for RDM. Being a RDM who melees and DDs is a sin, so I am told to cleanse my soul of evil by changing to a more accepted job.

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Originally Posted by Demon6324236

Because I am a RDM who melees

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Terrible, just terrible

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Originally Posted by Demon6324236

Because I am a RDM who melees, I have TP sets, made Almace for RDM, and have almost finished my Excalibur for RDM. Being a RDM who melees and DDs is a sin, so I am told to cleanse my soul of evil by changing to a more accepted job.

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If you can make it work in an efficient maner I don't see the problem with melee Red Mages. Wish more people would put the effort into it, honestly.

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Originally Posted by Habu

Terrible, just terrible

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Yeah it is terrible, people don't understand that about the only line between RDM and SCH is RDM has the ability to melee and spells to do so while SCH excels in magic in basically every other way over RDM.