Arch Dynamis lords difficultly.

Ok, we don't care ^^

Back to the topic : I've noticed that whenever it does violent rupture pre cast (the move that knocks you back) it will summon the first clones (and then do a sync vilolent rupture) so I wonder if anyone else noticed it? I'm not saying it is the condition but what I think is that a condition for it to pop prior to 50% being reached is him doing violent rupture.

I like how you're giving people crap for having multiple jobs leveled but see no issue in that your solution is to have multiple accounts with multiple jobs leveled.

Kettle to pot, Come in pot. Over.

Why is my solution to have people with mutliple accounts, I don't get it.

cause you probably spammed ADL more then anyone and had way more chances to fight it so of course you would of killed it a few times, but you brag like its cake when its not.

I don't undertsand anything ; you claim two post earlier that I showed a strategy based on owning multiple accounts, which is wrong, but as an answer you explain us that I should not be allowed to brag because my 6-man strategy is actually working ?

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I don't undertsand anything ; you claim two post earlier that I showed a strategy based on owning multiple accounts, which is wrong, but as an answer you explain us that I should not be allowed to brag because my 6-man strategy is actually working ?

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You use more then 6 characters when you fight ADL. You have extra SMNs around for PD and extra CORs around to try and reset 2 hours. Therefore, it's not a 6 man strategy, and relies heavily on having extra accounts. Unless you only want to kill ADL every other day, since as said before, your win rate is not going to be above 50% unless a way to determine which is the real ADL after it splits can be found. Watching your videos is evidence enough of this, as by the time you kill one of the two ADLs after the split your party is about wiped and your PD is almost over. You have about a 1% chance of killing that other ADL before being completely wiped.

As I said before, everyone knew it possible to win like this before you said anything. But who wants to go into this with a 50% win rate and doing 1 a day with 5 other people? Well, I mean you could level a bunch of mule accounts to help you and all, but why bother? It's going to take your group just as long to make 6 level 99 relics as a group of 12 would take to make 12. So why go for the short end of the stick? I'd rather go with 12 people and finish in the same length of time and not look like a fool wiping all the time and paying all that extra money to have extra accounts. Plus I wouldn't have to level them, do toa missions, etc, etc, etc.....

Nope noone thought it was possible before I showed it that's why you QQ so much. Where is nynja ? Hiding ? Leveling BST ? Also no my strategy doesn't rely in any way shape or form on extra account. Seeing that 99% of the players have mules used for storage, having level 75 SMN or level 65 COR on other char is not exactly asking to pay extra money for this strat. With abyssea fast EXP, and the delivery update, getting mules with decent gear and job is fairly easy. Killing one ADL doesn't rely on anything but 6 chars, killing 3 per run relies on having 2 smn level 75 on mules .. oh noes. Hey guys this is BG qqing how leveling to 75 is too hard.

Also just so you know no alliance is going to have a 100% winrate. Dynamic implosion is nearly insta fail. I'm betting that all allies going after it basically have less than 75% win rate. Everything else is braging on forums. The very reason all of them came here like crybabies when I did the video saying I was "lucky" (supposedely) is because they have pathetic killrates themselves with alliances. Pair this their inability to farm pop quickly and you get the QQ. I'm happy with my "50% coin tossing on the first clone" personally ; It takes one run to farm 3 pops one run to kill 3.

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Nope noone thought it was possible before I showed it that's why you QQ so much. Where is nynja ? Hiding ? Leveling BST ?

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Nynja is no longer with us. He's in a better place.

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Also no my strategy doesn't rely in any way shape or form on extra account. Seeing that 99% of the players have mules used for storage, having level 75 SMN or level 65 COR on other char is not exactly asking to pay extra money for this strat. With abyssea fast EXP, and the delivery update, getting mules with decent gear and job is fairly easy. Killing one ADL doesn't rely on anything but 6 chars, killing 3 per run relies on having 2 smn level 75 on mules .. oh noes.

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Emphasis mine. How exactly are the secondary characters getting into Dynamis, getting the time extensions, unless they are on a separate account?

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Hey guys this is BG qqing how leveling to 75 is too hard.

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2 Level 75 SMN mules with Alexander access, from scratch, will take 4 weeks minimum due to the weekly resets in TAU. And that's if you just walk right into Al Zhabi and spam quests. I'm not saying it's hard, I'm saying you're a moron for saying its easy.

Someone has a very unhealthily obsession. You should get that looked into to.

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Also no my strategy doesn't rely in any way shape or form on extra account. Seeing that 99% of the players have mules used for storage, having level 75 SMN or level 65 COR on other char is not exactly asking to pay extra money for this strat.

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I don't care what anyone says; leveling an alternate character should not ever be a viable strategy for defeating a boss encounter in any game, especially a game that allows you to level all jobs anyway. That's fucking stupid. If I ever found out that SE had that in mind when developing this fight I'd get a passport, fly to Japan and shove a crystal down someone's throat.

I shouldn't have to spend all that time getting access for alts. I should not and I will not. Fix this shit please SE.

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Emphasis mine. How exactly are the secondary characters getting into Dynamis, getting the time extensions, unless they are on a separate account?

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They dont need the TE. bring there @ADL and use wildcard.

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I shouldn't have to spend all that time getting access for alts.

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Its not needed, it's an alternative. You still have the choice to go with *only* 12 and pop 6 ADL every 3 days, or with 18 and pop 12 with 50% chance or 6 with 100% chance (wether you PD all your DDs or half of them). You also have the choice to gather 3 friends with *alts* and pop one every 2 days, with 50% luck.

On another note, I already gave up on farming umbral for money. I had one in bazar the whole week for 50Millions, then I realized other people were already busy undercuttin each other, selling as low as 30M. It takes 4 runs to farm one umbral on average (counting the 50% chance at win and COR's fail 2Hr) , thats already 20Millions gil loss (*) from not doing currency farming. Add to that it will take at least 1 week to sell thus leading to massive undercutting if other people do the same. I refuse to sell for less than 50mil lol, but there are alliances of 18 out there that think 30millions divided bu 18 is good money.

Edit: (*) 20Mil loss is a lower bound actually. If 6 BST do dynamis for 4 days straight, they get at least 250x6x4=6000coins=40+millions, ignoring forgotten items. If you play with alts like me, Idont have time to do 6 runs every day I only do 2 and that's 4x5=2000 coins + the forgotten items= 20Mil+.

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Emphasis mine. How exactly are the secondary characters getting into Dynamis, getting the time extensions, unless they are on a separate account?

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logout mules @ trial marking
- enter with mains chars, kill ADL
- -logout "main"SMN, login SMN mule, enter run to pop PD (doesnt take 1h)
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- -logout a job that dont need 2h reset, login cor mule, run to pop hope 2h reset

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I don't care what anyone says; leveling an alternate character should not ever be a viable strategy for defeating a boss encounter in any game, especially a game that allows you to level all jobs anyway. That's fucking stupid. If I ever found out that SE had that in mind when developing this fight I'd get a passport, fly to Japan and shove a crystal down someone's throat.

I shouldn't have to spend all that time getting access for alts. I should not and I will not. Fix this shit please SE.

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obviously you're just mad because you're not playing the best job in the game, mnk. Mnk doesn't need healing, its the chuck norris of the ffxi world~~~~~~~

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I don't care what anyone says; leveling an alternate character should not ever be a viable strategy for defeating a boss encounter in any game, especially a game that allows you to level all jobs anyway.

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Especially a game that allows you to level multiple characters ? I don't get it. Mules are there to be what they are : other characters. It's your choice for not using the extra 1$ you pay per month. Beside all serious allies doing ADl do it lol, otherwise poping 2 ADL only per run as an ally is pretty stupid.

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2 Level 75 SMN mules with Alexander access, from scratch, will take 4 weeks minimum due to the weekly resets in TAU. And that's if you just walk right into Al Zhabi and spam quests. I'm not saying it's hard, I'm saying you're a moron for saying its easy.

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There are no weekly reset in ToAU missions. Getting Alexader is a matter of as many days as there are JP midnight wait time. But we got your point, it's hard because you cannot have it right now and have to work 7 days for it. hahaha. lol at the 4 weeks...

Sigh. My bad, it is a JP midnight and not a conquest reset as I remembered.

You are still silly for suggesting that leveling a job to 30, getting access to TAU, completing all missions up to rank 6, unlocking and re leveling the support jobs, completing TAU with a friend since you can't possibly duo it yourself on a job that you're just leveling, and getting the summon for the secondary character will take a week.

It might take a week if you do absolutely nothing else. Speaking from experience as I've starting leveling a mule to leave in sky for a Bazaar, you're delusional. Or you did nothing but play that character for 12 hours a day for a week straight. I'm curious who in your group was sad enough to do that for this task, or who had enough free time to help you. Since as you've said, you don't have a secondary account, so you couldn't possibly have powered leveled yourself on the second character.

Just another Abyssea raised noob that throws bodys at ADL spammed daily, pay him no mind.

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Especially a game that allows you to level multiple characters ? I don't get it...

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You don't get it because you have problems grasping simple concepts. You are allowed to level every job so that pretty much removes the necessity to play multiple characters because you can access everything with only one. You can avoid having to do all the tedious quests, missions, ect. It's not just about the dollar, it's the time needed to do things several times for multiple characters. That might be fine for some people, but it is ridiculous to suggest that as a viable strategy for clearing content so you can kill that noise.

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Mules are there to be what they are : other characters.

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A mule is typically used to carry shit you'd rather not. Other general uses include being positioned to purchase from vendors or access something that you'd rather not go out of your way to get. They are usually left at low levels without the need to progress the character since you can already do that with your main.

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Beside all serious allies doing ADl do it lol, otherwise poping 2 ADL only per run as an ally is pretty stupid.

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I couldn't agree more, but that doesn't suggest that you should have to go out of your way to do it. It suggests that there is a problem with the development and implementation of the event. You pretty much made my point for me.

I don't have any issue with ADL being difficult, although I could do without the luck involved in the 'pray you pick the right clone' game. Making your own clone to do your dirty work is your prerogative, but it's a result of poor development. People are so lazy these days. Crap like this is the exact reason RMT exists. People would rather go AFK and pay someone else to do it for them than actually participate themselves. Sad and probably a large part of the reason why the population is dwindling.

Move ADL to abyssea - paradox so we can brew him!

second spharai of the LS ; 1/5 on Ghorn.

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We pretty much figured a way for a 100% win on the first clone making us 50%+ win rate. ADL's AI changes from GOD to Ikillyou under roughly 10%, since it appears that the first clone has very high chance to spam Tera slash and Dynamic implosion at this point (while it favors dynamic ruptur and aoe drain prior to 50% for instance, ad well as the other weak ones ; also the next clones will change from -ga3 to -ga4 and death). The first split is governed by the 50% HP limit, the only reason you can bring it below is if he uses a spell or a WS around this time (also it can split prior to 50% if it uses violent rupture). <40% means triple clones. Once it is split, just melee it to ~ 15% at which point the SMN does shock squall for stun and the 4 monks use a 300% TP victory smite together. With this strategy only multiple tera slash can wipe you (which it can use at any time but favors under 50%).

this is all the more a reason for 18 man alliances to only bring MNKs SMNs and 1 BRD.

MNK: do not need to 2H unlike other DDs, because 2x march = hundredfist.
SMN: Perfect defense, you can pop as many ADL as you have SMNs. Stunga= a stunga order means you have not only PD on, but also that ADL can't do shit for 10s each time a SMN uses stunga ( 10SMN, yes please).
BRD: doesn't need to 2H with +3 instrument either, and with +2 the mnks will be at like 75% instea dof 80% delay or something.

*Mnk doesn't 2 hour because it does little, if anything, with marches

French math.

Check out level 90 haste caps then come back to me. Gjallahorn is like 1 or 2% overkill on monks. Also any 2 hour is ruined by the ~13 sec summonning phase followed by the few seconds of being pushed away by violent rupture.

13 + seconds of knockback completely ruins 2h, got it.

Not that 3 DDs even need it to match or beat Mnk on ADL.

I don't understand what you are saying. First you make it sound like not using hundred fist is stupid , then you explain us that 3 DDs match our 4 monks without their 2H ? All I can say is "hahaha". You are like macross. Their alliance of 12 WARs definitely beat my 4 MNKs. Also ~5k views on my second video.

If you can't see why marches making HF fairly useless, then trying to defend not using 2h because it isn't actually doing anything, then trying to act like Mnk is the only DD in the game (which you did back at 75 with Salvage) - actually yeah, this is you being exactly the same you were 5 years ago.

Enough about MNKs already? It's lvl 90 content, WAR, SAM, DRK, MNK all destroy him.

http://img138.imageshack.us/img138/1500/upheaval.png

Like that!

If it was lvl 99 content and ADL was 9 levels higher then MNKs with no attack buffs would be absolutely god awful on him, as it stands they do OK.

I'd like YOU to explain ME why monk is lacking "attack buffs". Keep in mind that I solved the entire pdif system recently . Level difference will matter very little on comparison of DDs. All this comes from all BG noobs that explained us that Fafnir had incredible defense while in reality it has 30 more DEF than other monsters.

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If you can't see why marches making HF fairly useless, then trying to defend not using 2h because it isn't actually doing anything, then trying to act like Mnk is the only DD in the game (which you did back at 75 with Salvage) - actually yeah, this is you being exactly the same you were 5 years ago.

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My video apprently made butthurt a wider range of people. Where in nynja ?

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My video apprently made butthurt a wider range of people. Where in nynja ?

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lol....... You're still here trying to prove you're not a waste of time? I guess all that stuff we said about how bad you are really hurt your pride since you keep needing to try and prove your superiority.

BTW, any half decent warrior is better than the best monk.

Is that BG-math? lol

French Math, Five hits, etc.

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I don't understand what you are saying. First you make it sound like not using hundred fist is stupid , then you explain us that 3 DDs match our 4 monks without their 2H ? All I can say is "hahaha". You are like macross. Their alliance of 12 WARs definitely beat my 4 MNKs. Also ~5k views on my second video.

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You know sam doesn't need 2h to out DD monk too yah? I don't care how fast you can punch, you still will not do as many WS as a war or SAM. As for melee dot, my war crits 100% for 1 minute for 1300-2500 using 2h. ADL is long dead before my 2h or PD wears off. I don't care if it splits 3-4x, we will still kill it, unless it does 2x terrors. Gotten 31 umbrals now, going only 2x a week, how well are you doing?

Ws damage means jack shit for this mob, unless, like you, you take WAY too many people to take care of the side effects of killing too fast. On the first 50% I need to limit my killing speed or else it triple splits. After that I also purposely don't use WS until the last few %. It's funny that you are bragging about your "31" marrows with a supposedely 100% win. We have gotten 11 marrows ourselves since the video has been posted and improved our strat too. We pop 3 ADLs every 2 days, aka day1= no pop, day 2=popx3. And you only pop once a week ... We also slowed down a bit because we tend to have way more NM pops that what's needed. We can go as fast as 5 ADL every 3 days. We can pretty much average ~5 marrow per week.

Also lol SAM, one of the worst melee job ever.

I never said we are 100% win. You can go and kill your 5 ADL every 3 days, I will do my however many I can fit in the 2 days per week, and spend the other 5 days farming my currency for fun instead.

I don't know what this side effect of bringing too many people and killing too fast is, besides actually winning most of the time?

Play with some good sam or drks and run a parse and you will see why we don't bring monks.

You're still an idiot for not having a war there for bloodrage or using one of your cormules to give you rolls either.

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My video apprently made butthurt a wider range of people. Where in nynja ?

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Your video is not what you promised.

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Dude I'm going to post a video soon to prove you your gimpness when I'm done with with empy and other stuff. Just shut up. I'm going to go even farther than what I claimed. I claim that a pimp out party of 6 players will destroy ADL to less than 25% before it splits , and that a decent ally of 10+ people is necessarily putting the NM at ~5% when it splits, making it essentially a joke barring dynamis implosion.

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Don't get me wrong, I'm impressed you even manage to kill ADL. I honestly thought you were all talk. But your claims throughout this thread were much, much more grand than simply "I can kill ADL with 6 people". That claim is nothing terribly special because my group has also managed to kill him with 6 people, and one of our DDs is a thf. Your claims were that 6 people can get him below 25% before he splits, and 10+ people can get him to 5%.

Hell, you even claimed later in the thread that ADL always splits exactly 30 seconds after being popped. Then, after videos were presented showing ADL taking less than 30 seconds to split and another video of him taking over 2 minutes to split, you revised your claim to "Well, he still takes exactly 30 seconds to split for our group". Now that you've posted 2 videos, I can safely say "nuh-uh". On your first video he takes 28 seconds after being popped to split. On your second he takes 20.

So congratulations on your wins, but I'm still sorta waiting for the evidence to the ridiculous claims you were making. Hell, I'd be willing to settle for a video of 6 people successfully killing 2 copies of ADL in one pop. My mind tells me it should be possible, but it might require a different strategy than the one my group is currently using.

with our newest strategy(shock squall+ light skillchains @ 15%) is is possible to have only 3 MNKs thus replacing the 4th with a SMN and 6 man groups are able to pop 2 ADL every 2 days, basically. We are at about 22-23 attemps I believe and 10 wins, 11 marrows, we were a bit unlucky on several pops. Still no HQ swords which sucks. many 100c though. all done in 2 weeks span.

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Your video is not what you promised.



Don't get me wrong, I'm impressed you even manage to kill ADL. I honestly thought you were all talk. But your claims throughout this thread were much, much more grand than simply "I can kill ADL with 6 people". That claim is nothing terribly special because my group has also managed to kill him with 6 people, and one of our DDs is a thf. Your claims were that 6 people can get him below 25% before he splits, and 10+ people can get him to 5%.

Hell, you even claimed later in the thread that ADL always splits exactly 30 seconds after being popped. Then, after videos were presented showing ADL taking less than 30 seconds to split and another video of him taking over 2 minutes to split, you revised your claim to "Well, he still takes exactly 30 seconds to split for our group". Now that you've posted 2 videos, I can safely say "nuh-uh". On your first video he takes 28 seconds after being popped to split. On your second he takes 20.

So congratulations on your wins, but I'm still sorta waiting for the evidence to the ridiculous claims you were making. Hell, I'd be willing to settle for a video of 6 people successfully killing 2 copies of ADL in one pop. My mind tells me it should be possible, but it might require a different strategy than the one my group is currently using.

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So you should thank me for explaining you how to do it ?

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So you should thank me for explaining you how to do it ?

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No, I should ask you to post the video you promised. 6 people, 25% before he splits, exactly 30 seconds after pop. You seem to be assuming my linkshell was not capable of killing ADL until you posted videos. Your videos are a straightforward PD zerg. That strategy has been well known since before this thread was started. You even seem to think you were the first people to think of using shock squall when it was mentioned on page 9:

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Have the DD's hold back until he clones. Then 1 party on each clone with BLM's AoE nuking and tossing stun at their designated clone if its up. SMN's use the Ramuh stun BP.

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The fact that he slowly gets nastier the lower his HP gets has been well known to my linkshell for a long time as well. In fact, we don't PD at the start, we wait until he hits 75% HP because he's a pushover up until he splits. So what exactly have you contributed to the conversation about ADL again? No one questioned that ADL could be killed by 6 people.

Well, to be fair, maybe a few people questioned whether or not YOU could kill him with 6 people since, at the time, you seemed completely ignorant about the fight. What, with all the claiming that 10+ people could bring him to 5% HP before he splits without you seeming to realize that would mean he'd split into 4 forms. But you're not the first to do it with 6 people, and you're not exactly using any shockingly new strategies to do it. It's still just buff up and pound him down.

Yes I'm the first one to 6 man it hence why my video has 5k views, and it makes you rage. Shock squall and enfire have been in my strategy from start even though it was not my focus at that time so give me a break with your "you are not the first person to kill adl or to stun adl" ; no I'm not the first one to stun ADL (who cares again ?), i'm the first one to 6 man it and didn't pretend anything else.