SMN adjustments....seriously?

Got to love how everything is being put on hold just because of Blm and Meteor. Wish I worked at a company where we can say "You know I don't feel like putting in extra time to finish everything we have told 1,000's of people just because we have been working on 1 thing." It just blows my mind how a company does this and feels just fine about it.

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Originally Posted by Malamasala

What do you mean with "proper" monster behavior?

I also hope they realized that assault resets timers and they had to wait ages due to the bug, and they got the developers to fix it.

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I hope this is what he means by "proper" though I also hope they didn't *accidentally* discover this behavior... lol.

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Originally Posted by Lotmorning

Got to love how everything is being put on hold just because of Blm and Meteor. Wish I worked at a company where we can say "You know I don't feel like putting in extra time to finish everything we have told 1,000's of people just because we have been working on 1 thing." It just blows my mind how a company does this and feels just fine about it.

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It isn't unreasonable that they try and get something done and pushing something else up a release, instead of pushing both up.

But I hope they won't waste more time on BLM after, since they got all the spells they need, while our spirits still need some work.

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Originally Posted by Malamasala

It isn't unreasonable that they try and get something done and pushing something else up a release, instead of pushing both up.

But I hope they won't waste more time on BLM after, since they got all the spells they need, while our spirits still need some work.

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It would be super cool if they just finished the update before announcing the date and implementing it.

I've been reading about Meteor and it got me to thinking a little. Then I was reading a poorly translated post in the JP forums about Bahamut (I think something along the lines of it being too powerful and the avatar would have to be designed from scratch or whatever) and it got me to thinking some more.

Meteor was too powerful before, and shoot, its pretty powerful now, and Black Mages are gonna get it. But think about how they get it... it is group cast.

Think about it... perhaps just one Summoner is too weak to bring forth the full power of Bahamut. But how about six? It would be a total nightmare to program I'm sure, but some form of Bahamut, either as a two hour that multiple SMN group cast, or some combined pet that multiple Summoners can command to use a Blood Pact, or some variation on some scale of something like this might be able to work from the balance perspective.

It might be infeasible, but I think it would be the best bet for Summoners everywhere to get Bahamut if a group cast or group pet mechanic was considered for it as an option. Obviously we'll have to see how well received Meteor is by Black Mages but if people really like it maybe we'll also see Summoner parties pooling their powers together to get even a gram of Bahamut's power.

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Originally Posted by Economizer

Think about it... perhaps just one Summoner is too weak to bring forth the full power of Bahamut. But how about six? It would be a total nightmare to program I'm sure, but some form of Bahamut, either as a two hour that multiple SMN group cast, or some combined pet that multiple Summoners can command to use a Blood Pact, or some variation on some scale of something like this might be able to work from the balance perspective.

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This was suggested on the Japanese forum.

The dev post states that implementing Bahamut is something they would really like to try. It also says that it is going to be an extremely long time before we see this actually happen. The two main concerns are having to create a summoned version of Bahamut because of his size and also how strong to make him. I am just happy that they have put this out on the table and are considering it. With the dev teams current resources and the myriad of other issues they (should be) are working on, it is going to take some time.

They still have Cait Sith and Atomos to implement. Bahamut is a staple of FF games, but I am okay with not having him as a summon. Personally, I would rather have Phoenix but I know I'm in the minority on that one. Regardless, it's nice to know that they are thinking about it.

They should make some of the -perpetuation equipment easier to aquire, as some of us don't have time to go farm/hunt limbus/nyzul all day long :(

Limbus takes like 40m max and is soloable completely by a BLU, a lot soloable by SMN. Stop being lazy and using a low play time as a crutch.

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Originally Posted by Ickelz

They should make some of the -perpetuation equipment easier to aquire, as some of us don't have time to go farm/hunt limbus/nyzul all day long :(

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Might I recommend one of the jobs that wears the pink armor? That's the only way you are going to be geared without any farming of any event.

I suggest that after 75, our avatars no longer cost anything to keep out and our perp- gear is converted into haste for our pets :D

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Originally Posted by Saiken253

I suggest that after 75, our avatars no longer cost anything to keep out and our perp- gear is converted into haste for our pets :D

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Sure why not, While we're at it lets also do it so Avatars take no damage and instead damage heals them.

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Originally Posted by Daniel_Hatcher

Sure why not, While we're at it lets also do it so Avatars take no damage and instead damage heals them.

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For balance purposes, they will cost 2,000 MP to summon, have a recast of 5 minutes, and depop after every blood pact.

I think it is about time they actually got health from being nuked by their element though. Silly "balance" adjustment to make sure we aren't invincible against single element monsters.

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Originally Posted by Malamasala

I think it is about time they actually got health from being nuked by their element though. Silly "balance" adjustment to make sure we aren't invincible against single element monsters.

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Or at very least immune with gear options that benefit them for being nuked by their same element. SE said they wanted Summoners to use their avatars based on element not ability right?

I'm thinking new gear could have avatars getting nuked by their own element get a TP boost, it isn't much but it would certainly make for a balanced piece of gear that boosts damage. Maybe even the element they are strong against as well.

not really, In a lot of instances, The element the Enemy is nuking of is generally the element their strong too... and since TP only effects magical BP's...

TP Boost from being nuked won't necessarily be a good thing. Sure there are some examples of mobs it would benefit, But not a whole lot.

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Originally Posted by Economizer

Or at very least immune with gear options that benefit them for being nuked by their same element. SE said they wanted Summoners to use their avatars based on element not ability right?

I'm thinking new gear could have avatars getting nuked by their own element get a TP boost, it isn't much but it would certainly make for a balanced piece of gear that boosts damage. Maybe even the element they are strong against as well.

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I don't recall seeing that anywhere, but if that were true, i'm sure they'd split up some of garuda's abilities and buff a good portion of BPs up to usable levels if that were the case... but... judging from what they're doing they want use to ability>element and won't try enforcing it in any way unless it's a pact.

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Originally Posted by Fyreus

I don't recall seeing that anywhere, but if that were true, i'm sure they'd split up some of garuda's abilities and buff a good portion of BPs up to usable levels if that were the case... but... judging from what they're doing they want use to ability>element and won't try enforcing it in any way unless it's a pact.

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Its been said, it's somewhere in one of the SMN threads about it.It still makes no sense why they say it because everyone and their grandma use Garuda..

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Originally Posted by Daniel_Hatcher

Sure why not, While we're at it lets also do it so Avatars take no damage and instead damage heals them.

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Can I just ask why a change from perpetuation to pet haste gear would be so overpowered? It is an interesting idea, and the benefit for summoners is much less than a comparable change would be for a generic melee job.

TP is of questionable value to avatars considering that the TP merely enhances and not enables some of an avatar's equivalent of weaponskills, and that extra TP from faster attack speed may have no effect (based on how many merits are in place). That means that the primary benefit to avatars will be not in increased TP generation but in increased damage over time from physical strikes - strikes that are both notoriously weak and slow.

On the other hand, there is the loss of the perpetuation penalty to address. Before the cap increase I would have agreed that this was significant, but because SE has thankfully eased up on perpetuation increases and provided access to more perpetuation reduction equipment, most summoners are able to perpetuate avatars with at least 1MP/tick refresh. This would increase, for sure, but the effect would not be as groundbreaking as I think it may seem.

Such an adjustment would certainly be a massive boon for summoners, but we are talking about a job where bugfixes are major boons and our most significant recent update has been a job ability that was given to us "pre-nerfed" into oblivion. As such I think the idea deserves more thought than just a simple dismissal.

The perpetuation - to pet haste isn't a bad idea, but I don't see SE doing it. However, I wish they would add more pet haste gear in general. I also wish that SMN magic skill would increase avatar attack/acc/mab/macc, in general, over the cap and not just acc/macc for BPs.

Lastly, it would be nice if BP: rage and BP: ward had a charge system similar to corsair or scholar. I don't think 2 charges would be overpowered. 45s between BP is just too long when there's already an MP cost to limit it from being spammed, and any melee can ws far more frequently for similar or more damage, and any mage can nuke more frequently for similar or more damage.

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Originally Posted by Fyreus

I don't recall seeing that anywhere, but if that were true, i'm sure they'd split up some of garuda's abilities and buff a good portion of BPs up to usable levels if that were the case... but... judging from what they're doing they want use to ability>element and won't try enforcing it in any way unless it's a pact.

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it was under a section where a new avatar favor was beeing discussed. so Economizer is right.

Still it's like SE is so afraid that if they give SMNs what they (I feel) need that they will be ostracizing their Favorite job of all time, SAM.

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Originally Posted by Teraniku

Still it's like SE is so afraid that if they give SMNs what they (I feel) need that they will be ostracizing their Favorite job of all time, SAM.

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I'll reiterate from another thread:
Yunaphobia. The irrational fear that the SMN job will become an effective and important part of the game.

They should give us an ability that let's us use a spirit we have summoned as a kind of "sacrifice" when summoning an avatar of the same element to boost it's stats(ex: light spirit -> Carbuncle, dark spirit -> Fenrir/Diabolos). But now that i think about it, that idea is probably to pro for SE to even consider.

hmm on that note it'd be nice to be able to summon a different avatar without first having to unsummon the previous, though the overwriting summon thing with the spirits for a power boost is kind of an interesting idea.