Thank you for making both the grind and rewards of the Job Point system so terrible.

Ra'Kaz Skirmish gives XP and I didn't pay attention to the other two. In any case, I'm being facile, because even in Ra'Kaznar you'd be lucky to walk out of a finished run with 2k CP.

The point is that this is not set up to be a secondary reward for general activity, like RoE and BCNMs.

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Originally Posted by scaevola

For those keeping score, a linear JP cost progression like Group 1 merits means it takes 435 JP to cap one ability at level 30, or 13,050,000 CP. If we use my 30-seconds-a-kill, 12,000 CP/hour scenario from page 3, that is 1,087.5 hours of straight XP grinding, doing nothing else, to cap a single JP enhancement on a single job.

QUALITY ASSURANCE

EDIT: And in case you, Dear Reader, are not entirely clear on this, this isn't something you're going to progress in incidentally while you do other things. The only way to get CP is to kill mobs that give CP, and as of right now here is a comprehensive list of events featuring XP-granting mobs of a sufficient level to give CP:

-Skirmish

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Ok that explains the whole grinding process, Simple.. SE is securing your subscription for another 90 days with just 2 JP category capped.
calculate how many days for 10 categories.

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Originally Posted by Dreamin

The only real complaint I have is why SE make it so if you were to Party Up, you get LESS CP??? I understands that they don't want people to just afk leech perhaps (hence no Abyssea). But this just completely forces more people into doing Trusts. And guess who this will hurt the most? Healers and other backline support jobs. Imagine a WAR or MNK with a WHM/BRD/SAM trusts at the same camp as a BRD/GEO/WHM/othersupport with a WHM/Support/DD trusts. Guess who is going to be getting a lot more kills and more CP faster? And instead of 1 party of 6 people teaming up for 1 'camp/mob', now you have 6 people competing against one another for the same camp/mob.

Seriously, the least you can do is to REMOVE the penalty of PARTY for Capacity Points. It's just pure stupid. You already have the no mob lower than 96. Yes, there will still be people who will AFK leech CP but there's just no way that you can come up with a prefect solution where no one will afk leech CP. So stop penalizing everyone else and forces people to wanting to just solo with 3x trusts and compete against one another at camp/mobs. This isn't 2004 and let's not relive the memories of merit bird camps with people fight on top of one another please.

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they stated taht woh and doh gates have much higher level mobs (they really do infact, you need a brd/cor/geo to kill them remotly reasonable). I would like to test a meripo pt setup there, but there is no people willing to try it out. you get 300 CP per kill (that was duo) and they said partys dont get there any penalty for teaming up. So if you want fast CP meripo pt style in woh and doh gates is the way to go.

tough I do agree the grinding went overboard on this.

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Originally Posted by Camate

...was not appropriate for an item level system...

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There are a spectacular number of aspects of this game that have turned out not to be appropriate for an item level system. This does rather raise the question of why is there still an item level system in the game? You have literally just released a second character improvement system that does not involve levels, the first being merit points. Perhaps that would have been a good place to start when considering how to improve player capabilities for the expansion?

If I see one more piece of gear with the string of text "Evasion+X Magic Evasion+X Magic Defence Bonus +X Haste +X" I may actually start stabbing myself in the eyes with a pencil. I'm honestly not sure I'd be able to stop.

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Capacity point amount
We had wanted to introduce chain bonuses for this; however, the original concept of chain bonuses (earn a bonus by defeating monsters that are higher in level than yourself within a certain time frame) was not appropriate for an item level system where you can change your level at any time. As such we decided to hold off on this.

In the future we would like to add elements such as dedication and chain bonuses.

Also, in regards to the amount of capacity points you need to earn, we’d like to monitor the current situation for a bit, and depending on the necessity we may make adjustments in the future.

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The problem is the how ridiculously small the amount of CP we get from enemies is. CP gets penalized for having additional party members but doesn't get a 50% boost from chain bonus's and is often to small that your better off aoe burning weaker mobs then killing in a real party. The reward is so little that you won't be raising any of the stats anytime soon.

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Originally Posted by scaevola

For those keeping score, a linear JP cost progression like Group 1 merits means it takes 435 JP to cap one ability at level 30, or 13,050,000 CP. If we use my 30-seconds-a-kill, 12,000 CP/hour scenario from page 3, that is 1,087.5 hours of straight XP grinding, doing nothing else, to cap a single JP enhancement on a single job.

QUALITY ASSURANCE

EDIT: And in case you, Dear Reader, are not entirely clear on this, this isn't something you're going to progress in incidentally while you do other things. The only way to get CP is to kill mobs that give CP, and as of right now here is a comprehensive list of events featuring XP-granting mobs of a sufficient level to give CP:

-Skirmish

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This post has eleminated any and all wish I had to do anything pertaining to this system at all, as well as most people I know. Before this, I was excited to get some XP parties together to do runs, but with the points going up by 1 every upgrade, the amount needed, the low ass amount gained per kill, and so on... I won't touch this, not at all! >:O

Honestly anyone who is promoting this system is just flat out delusional. Think of it this way in that 1087.5 hours that it takes you to max out one JP enhancement you could probably have a mythic and that is a hell of a lot more useful then all of these enhancements. At the end of the day the juice just isn't worth the squeeze. Someone mentioned that this was all a way to just extend subs and im starting to agree from the rumors ive been hearing that FFXIV isn't doing so hot.

You know, I'd be fine with a static 1/4 of total EXP gained.

Something that gives 1,000 EXP would net 250 CP. That would make the "grind" a little more tolerable, IMO.

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For those keeping score, a linear JP cost progression like Group 1 merits means it takes 435 JP to cap one ability at level 30, or 13,050,000 CP.

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One minor dollop of additional bad news on top of what you've stated: it actually takes 465 JP to reach level 30 of one ability. 435 JP will get you to level 29.

But, really, that's only another 25 hours at the pace given. Practically a rounding error.

This seems like an unpleasant thing from how you described it. Why would you thank them for it?