New WHM spell, Araise. It will be extremely difficult to obtain.

Having your friend come and help you proc NM for seals isnt an opportunity cost for them. They don't have to give up limited time that you can only do once a day to help you get those seals. Plus if they need seals from that zone as well, you can actually go and help them with that without costing yourself or them anything.

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Originally Posted by Unleashhell

How is that using your friends? You do realize this is an MMO right? Its meant to do things as a group. Not everyone is out for themselves, and those who are are most likely in the Imyandme LS. So I'm not sure I follow how you think its using your friends. When you go to Abyssea and your friend comes BLM to proc yellow just so you can finish seals, is that using your friends also to your benefit? Not sure what kind of LS you are all in but we do things to help one another in my LS. Not to mention is is a fairly large LS as is. Those who are new that decide to be I My and Me don't last very long in it and get flushed out fairly quickly. Sounds to me most of you just have a bad taste in your mouths about large LS's. Its a shame cause I love running a large LS and like to see everyone get things. Things are fair and divided out equally. Not to mention we HELP each other even when there is no immediate benefit from it.

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At the end of the day doing a Xarc run for one person means everyone who tags along is rewarded with (virtually) nothing for the effort. If you have access to a functioning event LS (something becoming a rarity in recent days) then you can schedule things and get people to come out with the intention of scratching their back later however this is not the norm in today's PUG heavy FFXI and it shows that SE is out of touch on this topic.

For someone who toiled to solo a relic through the new Dynamis this ADL trial will be the end of the road. Why? Because there is no incentive for people to help you. Had SE taken some time to profile the current endgame landscape they'd have realized this and created a trial that was more appropriate yet retained the difficulty they sought.

Bad taste about large scale shells? I helped run two, was a member in at least 3 and have seen the promised land of big HNMLS'. The reality however is that most on my server are in severe decline since Abyssea/Voidwatch and Anduril might just be the last active NA shell on Lakshmi that existed in the days where big shells reigned. Lakshmi's endgame scene is a wreck and I'm sure the same goes for other servers.

SE gutted HNMLS play through Abyssea, Walk of Echoes, Dynamis revamps and Voidwatch and now we're supposed to pretend that didn't happen? Makes sense.... sorta, kinda not.

Just shout for pick ups, and free lot the umbral. No one is forced to go, everyone there chooses to, wether or not they win the umbral or not.

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Originally Posted by Tohihroyu

So much anger... I thought you brony where supposed to "Love & tolerate" you may think I'm angry but I'm not, all I see is a disgruntled little brony whose mad because a mithra named Fluttershy wont give him some sexy time, you seclectively read my posts & I will do the same with you, all I see in your posts is "I wanna get laid by a yellow Pegasus pony so badly LOVE ME!!!!!!!" and because I'm nice how about you go join up one of the 2 My Little Pony MMO? I'm sure the Fluttershy there would wanna let you "ur gunna love me!!!" all you want while you stare at some pony ass.

Well you pony loving Tanaka brown nosing losers can rejoice & circle jerk all over BG cause I quit the forums, its full of nothing but Q_Q or brown nosing Tanaka-san. I know Quezty will send me more photoshop tells (along with angry brony) & just pick out the words "jp" "japan" "tanaka" & "onry" come to think of it he was the only one who had his fluttershy panties in a knot over it, while others besides Rune didn't give a damn. Oh & by the way Quetz I have nothing against the Japanese...just the people who suck up to them & the weeaboos who worship them like gods...funny something most of you do hoping to get new expansions! no better then the weeaboos...sad really.

Smell you later.

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Good god, that made very little sense whatsoever. Maybe if your rants were more coherent than an idiot shopping at walmart, perhaps I'd be able to understand where you're coming from.

also,

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/th...922#post244922

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/th...528#post243528

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/th...484#post243484

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/th...808#post225808

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/th...086#post213086

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/th...761#post282761

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/th...l=1#post280902

Yeah okay I'll concede I exaggerated about being 100% of your posts but holy crap I think this is more than I want to read in any place that matters on these forums.

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It's not as easy as most things to kill so PuG is already not a good idea, making a group and having a 1/18 (I know you don't need 18 but most people will take that many if they can) chance is not something most people will want to do (maybe if 2 were 100% and they could lock one) and you have to build the pop set.

The only people that are going to do this are people that have shells capable of doing it and sorry to burst bubbles here but they won't always be the best players either, they will just be the ones that very often couldn't do anything in Aby with their "friends" and had to join a shell to get them done (99 relics will be like old king drops, you will still get horribly retarded players walking around with them). At a time when they destroyed the LS mentality, encouraged PuG and most of the best players realised they didn't need a ls it's a pretty crappy turnaround.

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Just shout for pick ups, and free lot the umbral. No one is forced to go, everyone there chooses to, wether or not they win the umbral or not.

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Aww, you sure are special aren't you?

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Originally Posted by Alhanelem

Like you said, agree to disagree. The implications they made are very clear to me, but it's perfectly OK if you don't see them.

I agree it's an opinion. Very likely,a popularly held opinion. I don't know anyone that explicitly wants nearly-impossible-to-get spells and abilities, and nobody seems to be posting to ask for it.

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That's because you have conflated the people who want a challenge to get said spells and abilities (existent), and the people who want impossible to get Mythic spells (nearly nonexistent).

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Originally Posted by saevel

That would be so like SE / Tanaka. You get the scroll and when you use it, it TURNS INTO A LOG!

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Yeah, I've built a log castle with a log village from VW.

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The only people that are going to do this are people that have shells capable of doing it and sorry to burst bubbles here but they won't always be the best players either, they will just be the ones that very often couldn't do anything in Aby with their "friends" and had to join a shell to get them done (99 relics will be like old king drops, you will still get horribly retarded players walking around with them). At a time when they destroyed the LS mentality, encouraged PuG and most of the best players realised they didn't need a ls it's a pretty crappy turnaround.

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Nice set of assumptions and generalities. About the only things that are undisputed are that they encouraged PUG and that ADL is not suited to PUG, which I'd agree is a way SE misled the playerbase on that trial.

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Originally Posted by Ravenmore

Yeah have fun getting every one something doing ADL sure they will be happy to spilt up a few coins and crap drops while one or 2 people get the good stuff. That is the problem with ADL only the relic items are worth a crap to go after. Also they are not helping those people with out benfit they are trading on you repaying them at some point.

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Never once has anyone ever asked me to "repay" them for anything. Working together is what the game is about, not being selfish and thinking about just yourself and what benefit you can get out of anything you do. And before you say doing the trial to 99 is being selfish, then same can be said for people that stat they deserve something in return. Again going back to my post, just because people help one another doesn't mean they will demand some kind of payment in return.