A single simple solution to Paladin

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Originally Posted by Greatguardian

Considering how easy pretty much all non-Voidwatch content is right now, those are pretty piss-poor standards.

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No the piss poor standard is demanding the absolute best or it's automatically usless and sucky.

The difference in a bad player and a good player is the good players learn how to utilize all of their character's potential, not just dismiss them and say they suck cause someone else is better at it.

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Originally Posted by Dale

No the piss poor standard is demanding the absolute best or it's automatically usless and sucky.

The difference in a bad player and a good player is the good players learn how to utilize all of their character's potential, not just dismiss them and say they suck cause someone else is better at it.

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The good player's utilize their character potential by using the most useful job available. When it takes 2-5 days to get a job from lvl 30-90 and cap relevant skills (excluding BLU) there isn't really an excuse to not bring the most useful job.

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Originally Posted by Zagen

The good player's utilize their character potential by using the most useful job available. When it takes 2-5 days to get a job from lvl 30-90 and cap relevant skills (excluding BLU) there isn't really an excuse to not bring the most useful job.

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Sounds like someone may need a life outside vanadiel :)

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Originally Posted by Dale

but they can get the job done and have excellent mana recovery if played right.

The point is your Warrior/White mage toting a light staff would suck when compared to a Paladin healing.

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Ok you say pld have excellent mana recovery if played right. You also know that whm and rdm mana recovery and efficiency is 10 times that of pld. So if pld is excellent, what does that make whm? Excellent excellent excellent? Sooper dooper excellent? If the 6th-7th best healer in the game is excellent, what do you call the 5-6 ones that are better?

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Originally Posted by Alienmonkey

Ok you say pld have excellent mana recovery if played right. You also know that whm and rdm mana recovery and efficiency is 10 times that of pld. So if pld is excellent, what does that make whm? Excellent excellent excellent? Sooper dooper excellent? If the 6th-7th best healer in the game is excellent, what do you call the 5-6 ones that are better?

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But that's where you are wrong. Trust me, I play both Red Mage and Paladin - and a Paladin's mp recovery does not suck compared to Red Mage even, who are generally agreed to be the best.

When you take into account spirit taker, chivarly, +4mp a tick, sublimation - penury if you sub /sch - you can turn Paladin into a mp machine.

You are just wrong about paladin alilenmonkey and we aren't going to agree with this. We should probably just drop it cause you are never going to convince me paladin's suck at healing, and I apparantly am never going to convince you that they don't.

All i can say is come over to quezoctle and i'll show you - i'll go chain ITs for you and do all my own healing without any kind of white mage. Or i'll let you tank and i'll keep you alive with my heals and never even come close to ever running out of mp. This useless back and forth is getting old, i'd show you if I could, that's best way to convince people.

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Originally Posted by Dale

Sounds like someone may need a life outside vanadiel :)

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I guess so, then again I have a 40 hour/week job, a new born that's a month old and still find time to spend with my parents, in-laws, and/or friends on a regular basis.

ITT: Leveling takes a lot of time depriving you of a life outside of the game.

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Originally Posted by Alienmonkey

Oh yeah that's right pld gets cure 5 6 -na erase esuna sacrifice haste regen curaga afflatus divine seal and a huge mp pool.

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If I could get Afflatus Solace from subbing WHM, my PLD would never sub anything else.

Dear Altana, that would crash the server!

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Originally Posted by Alienmonkey

WTF? Why would your tank sub WHM?

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Divine Seal Curaga II. You know, the kinds of things true WHMs aren't supposed to do mid-fight.

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Originally Posted by Ziyyigo-Tipyigo

Divine Seal Curaga II. You know, the kinds of things true WHMs aren't supposed to do mid-fight.

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More like the kind of thing any true WHM should be more than capable of doing without issue.

Word to the wise, WHMs are a hell of a lot sturdier than any melee on the planet (PLD included) assuming the operator isn't a cheapass. They also have boatloads of -Enmity gear if they do happen to be a cheapass.

Most of the things that make WHM survivable are below 37, let alone 45. Stoneskin lasts a lot longer on a PLD (with its grown-up shields) than it does on a WHM.

There's "sturdy," and then there's "bulletproof." PLD/WHM doesn't care if it steals hate.