Raise the minimum allowable job level in Abyssea from 30 to 70+

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Originally Posted by Greatguardian

Are you seriously trying to compare hitting a WS macro over and over to tactically setting up a Skillchain and Magic Burst that requires coordination from the entire party? The fact remains that even in the days of Bibiki Bay parties, DDs were required to be awake and alert instead of a zombie whose participation is limited to 1-2 macros and has no input from the rest of the group so no, it's not even a close comparison.

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No I was makeing no comparison between the 2 kinds of parties other than however since you asked for the comparison, even though colibri were boreing and mindless to fight are you still weren't 30 and afk to level on them. You also seem to be forgetting that colibri are not the only camp in the ToAU expansion I for one remember the crawlers and trolls being popular camps as well.

@Miera: After reposting the same fucking arguments over and over to refute arguments that you people continue to make even though it has been shown that you are all wrong and outnumbered, yes, I start calling people retarded, because apparently they can't grasp simple logic.

@Alkaline and Damane: He's trolling them with their own logic, he is anti-OP like the majority of us.

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Originally Posted by Miera

my only arguement is the fact that people don't have to make much effert into leveling anymore.

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They haven't for years. Compared to myself and a few others on this board, 99% of players didn't have to put much effort into leveling either. This argument has been rehashed with every new zone released since 2004. People get jealous when other people get things easier than them. It's not anything new. All that can be said is 'Get over it'.

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Originally Posted by Damane

Do you like to suffer or are you a Masochist? 3k per hour PTs that were the standard in 2004.
Besides there is a logic why SE makes things easier. Go try find a normal PT past lvl 30. Good luck with it.

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Wooooooooooooosh

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Originally Posted by RaenRyong

Wooooooooooooosh

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a rather big WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOSHHHH

couldnt bring myself to read through 57 pages of pointless discussion

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Originally Posted by Dubberrucky

Many reasons have been stated in this thread on both sides you simply choose not to acknowledge an opposing view.

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I said valid reasons.

All I am hearing from you is "BAWWWW no one agrees with me, everyone is retarded and don't see my logic"

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Originally Posted by Dubberrucky

No I was makeing no comparison between the 2 kinds of parties other than however since you asked for the comparison, even though colibri were boreing and mindless to fight are you still weren't 30 and afk to level on them. You also seem to be forgetting that colibri are not the only camp in the ToAU expansion I for one remember the crawlers and trolls being popular camps as well.

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Both were easier than Moon. Both were done with TP burns. Nothing in ToAU taught you how to properly play jobs compared to Moon and Bibiki. Etc.

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Originally Posted by Miera

It's also retarded hearing you talk about how you are right and everyone is wrong but you don't see me calling you a retarded prick.
Oho~! Wait.. I just did.

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Oh snap!!!!

Btw hey miera :P

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Originally Posted by Miera

All I am hearing from you is "BAWWWW no one agrees with me, everyone is retarded and don't see my logic"

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You keep ninja editing your posts. At least 5 other people on this very page have agreed with me. You can't read or count apparently so I reserve my right to call you retarded.

EDIT: On the last page.