ATTN: Dev/Comm. Rep -Relic & Mythic Weapons Reborn {Yes, Please}- レリックとミシックの強化

Personally, I kind of wonder what Sama has to say, but it can't be very important since he's to much of a coward to actually leave his comments up for more then 2 minutes, did anyone actually see either them on the previous page?

How do they compare in man-hours?

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Originally Posted by MarkovChain

I always find it hilarous that guys like you come on forums to make pseudo-elitism comments and explain us how they can "easily" build an empyrean in 3 days, while if you dig a little and check their FFXIAH equipment history, you find the first reference of Verethragna
at the date of [2011-05-16 07:29:43]. In other words :

(1) The level 80 verethragna took you 11 months to build.
(2) Getting the level 90 one took you at least 6 months to get

We are far from the 3 days period. Looks like some people are slower than others.

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Yeah, I didn't actually start H2H until the beginning of May. You're assuming I started on it when they were first released, but nope, I didn't start on them until about a month after I had MNK at 90, which was just before the servers went down. Thanks, try again super sleuth.

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Originally Posted by MarkovChain

I always find it hilarous that guys like you come on forums to make pseudo-elitism comments and explain us how they can "easily" build an empyrean in 3 days, while if you dig a little and check their FFXIAH equipment history, you find the first reference of Verethragna
at the date of [2011-05-16 07:29:43]. In other words :

(1) The level 80 verethragna took you 11 months to build.
(2) Getting the level 90 one took you at least 6 months to get

We are far from the 3 days period. Looks like some people are slower than others.

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I always find it hilarous that you have no concept of changes that took place of the time abyssea came out.

When the 8 weapons came out, no one bothered to work on 80 weapons because at the time, it was to much work for only a high damage weapon that wasn't worth it at the time. When 85 came out, people started to work on it but even then, not all KIs could be found in chests.

Also, the mobs because even easier to kill/low man when we got 2-3 atmas we can use at a time, and stronger atmas as time progressed, as well as more HP/MP abbysites, etc.

Also, you can not use the AH history as an accurate time line for when someone completes an empy. As it is now, AH cant even scan anything higher than the level 80 unless you use another program that can scan for you.

Plus, some people dont even pop on their 80 weapon when they get it for long cause its not like having 80 is useful or means anything.

Don't give lessons when you don't apply said rules to yourself. My guess is that you had a level 90 job way before that so we are back to : why so much time for an empyreal ? If we follow your posts, getting an empy is a matter of 3 days. Yet it took you at least 6 months to get one done. Most normal players will take several week to get one even those that pretend otherwise (like you) because of the prerequisites for one and because Chloris is too much investement to be able to pop more than a few per day. The rest of the path is all about showing your skillz at outclaiming insomniac JPs or forcing your LS mates to hold dragua pops for you. Noone will do all this in 3 days.

Now is 3 days talking about the 90 weapon, or the 85? Because for most, 85 is the real prize atm, and 90 is just icing ont he cake.

But honestly, if you cared enough, you can get a weapon to 85 in 3 days. Took me about 4 days to get gun to 85 and that wasnt even spending the whole day doing it.

And seriously, who made 80 weapon before Scars came out? Hardly anyone. Stop trying so hard gimpchan.

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Originally Posted by Kimble

I always find it hilarous that you have no concept of changes that took place of the time abyssea came out.

When the 8 weapons came out, no one bothered to work on 80 weapons because at the time, it was to much work for only a high damage weapon that wasn't worth it at the time. When 85 came out, people started to work on it but even then, not all KIs could be found in chests.

Also, the mobs because even easier to kill/low man when we got 2-3 atmas we can use at a time, and stronger atmas as time progressed, as well as more HP/MP abbysites, etc.

Also, you can not use the AH history as an accurate time line for when someone completes an empy. As it is now, AH cant even scan anything higher than the level 80 unless you use another program that can scan for you.

Plus, some people dont even pop on their 80 weapon when they get it for long cause its not like having 80 is useful or means anything.

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We all know that only the good players could get it done before level 90, you don't have to explain or justify yourself. All I'm saying is that if you didn't get an level 85 empyrean before december you shouldn't give lessons.

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Originally Posted by MarkovChain

Relic = 50 dynamis runs don't need money. That's 100 hours.
Empyrean = 30 hours for chloris, 10 hours for ulhuadshi, 6 hours for dragua, it is only about twice faster.

The trials for 75>90 (for relics) are about half as painful as getting to the chloris stage.

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I seriously doubt people are walking into dynamis nowadays pulling down 360 coins/run when that was about the average a huge linkshell would pull down in singles clearing a zone before all the changes. The 225 mil remark was referring to simply purchasing all the coins out of a bazaar, but you pretty much just bolstered my point anyway.

Also, I hope I don't need to remind you that SE didn't nerf the relic/mythic trials until this past Dec. when Heroes came out. Prior to that, it was 7000 killshots and 1500 uses of the relic WS. At best, you were talking about 60 killshots/hour soloing. Maybe 70 if you didn't have anyone else there messing with your monsters. By today's standards, that's about 20-25 hours of work. I spent far less time than that getting to the Chloris stage. Half as painful, wut?

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Originally Posted by Kimble

Because for most, 85 is the real prize atm, and 90 is just icing ont he cake.

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Nope it's because it's a pain-long to farm a level 90 with only a dual boxed mule, which is also the reason all those dual boxer didn't get the level 85 before christmas nor the level 80 before september :). If not why do you explain so few farmed the level 85, because as you said, it is game breaking, so that's a great reason (more that a few point of DMG).

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Originally Posted by Qtipus

I seriously doubt people are walking into dynamis nowadays pullng down 360 coins/run

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When I trioed our relic horn, we would get 200-250 coins per runs, and you get 3000 tukku in the end so I removed those leaving us with roughly 50 runs at best and 75 at worst.