What new Jug Pets would you like to see 91-99?

What Xilk said. If anything it could make us kill slower by swaping the 2nd -PDT and RR for 2 regen atma.
Just imagine a DG/MC/Stronghold pet on a NM in abyssea.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Xilk

Uhmm.. YOu are grossly mistaken in your assumption that this is why they nerfed the 100% pdt on pets.

I promise you I can still hold any NM that could be held before the patch now, indefinitely.

There is nothing making these fights quicker if I wanna solo them. I still can, pet only, and take forever. that is not at all why it was nerfed.

it was alot easier to keep hate on pet in a group though, when physical hits all did 0 on pet. It didn't allow mobs to reduce hate on pet w/out a reset really. That never mattered much for solo, but it made a big difference tanking in a group.

---

actually, all the -pdt nerf did is make me hold mobs longer. Because the pet can still take damage, albeit slower, I use either a regen atma or a defensive one, which naturally means 1 less DD atma, meaning longer kills. Since the community demanded the nerf, when they complain I just give them more of the consequences of their request... I sit down (litterally) and watch the show, doing NOTHING to speed the battle, and not inviting anyone outside a few buddies to share in the spoils. Old proverb, "be careful what you wish for..."

TBH, I just got the -pdt set-up recently, before that I had pet pour on the damage instead and used a good reward set-up and a couple temps to make the fights quick so I didn't NEED -pdt. I changed mostly because of all the whining I read on these forums from every job about why they weren't the #1 job in the game. Duh, there isn't one! It's all battle-dependant what works best.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Vizardx

What Xilk said. If anything it could make us kill slower by swaping the 2nd -PDT and RR for 2 regen atma.
Just imagine a DG/MC/Stronghold pet on a NM in abyssea.

---

LOL, done that! Funny to watch, even when the mobs rage it's laughable.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Xilk

Uhmm.. YOu are grossly mistaken in your assumption that this is why they nerfed the 100% pdt on pets.

I promise you I can still hold any NM that could be held before the patch now, indefinitely.

There is nothing making these fights quicker if I wanna solo them. I still can, pet only, and take forever. that is not at all why it was nerfed.

it was alot easier to keep hate on pet in a group though, when physical hits all did 0 on pet. It didn't allow mobs to reduce hate on pet w/out a reset really. That never mattered much for solo, but it made a big difference tanking in a group.

---

So you're saying the multiple threads on this website, and ffxiah where people were crying about 5/5 perle bst's holding mobs indefinitely, then the nerf happens shortly after those threads was just a coincidence. I'm not buying that for a dollar. Was it the only reason they made that move? Of course not, but to say it didn't factor into the decision is silly.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Zaknafein

So you're saying the multiple threads on this website, and ffxiah where people were crying about 5/5 perle bst's holding mobs indefinitely, then the nerf happens shortly after those threads was just a coincidence. I'm not buying that for a dollar. Was it the only reason they made that move? Of course not, but to say it didn't factor into the decision is silly.

---

A 5/5 perle bst wouldnt be holding a mob indefinitely with pet getting hit for 0 physical dmg.

It wasn't meant in a literal sense... holding them for an unreasonable amount of time. Happy now?

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Xilk

Uhmm.. YOu are grossly mistaken in your assumption that this is why they nerfed the 100% pdt on pets.

I promise you I can still hold any NM that could be held before the patch now, indefinitely.

There is nothing making these fights quicker if I wanna solo them. I still can, pet only, and take forever. that is not at all why it was nerfed.

it was alot easier to keep hate on pet in a group though, when physical hits all did 0 on pet. It didn't allow mobs to reduce hate on pet w/out a reset really. That never mattered much for solo, but it made a big difference tanking in a group.

---

Total bull. With a set up that allows pets to take 0 damage, neither you nor your pet could accumulate enough hate to be tanking in the first place because you've got no/only 1 damage dealing atmas equipped.

And every single enemy has either an instant death move, a hate reset move, a throat stab, casts magic, or simply one shots the pet with a ws when the regen takes it to 51% hp, so it's a moot point anyway. Your pet will still take very impressive amounts of damage and lose hate right quick, or die outright. It was, at best a good tank when the two real tanks you brought are both weakened. And with Mijin Gaikure that rarely happened anyway.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Zaknafein

It wasn't meant in a literal sense... holding them for an unreasonable amount of time. Happy now?

---

Uhmmm the disagreement wasn't about holding it for a long time... it was about a 5/5 perle bst doing it. You need 2x pdt- axes upgraded, ferine quijotes +1 or 2, and anwig salade, at least to do it....

Quote:

---

Total bull. With a set up that allows pets to take 0 damage, neither you nor your pet could accumulate enough hate to be tanking in the first place because you've got no/only 1 damage dealing atmas equipped.

And every single enemy has either an instant death move, a hate reset move, a throat stab, casts magic, or simply one shots the pet with a ws when the regen takes it to 51% hp, so it's a moot point anyway. Your pet will still take very impressive amounts of damage and lose hate right quick, or die outright. It was, at best a good tank when the two real tanks you brought are both weakened. And with Mijin Gaikure that rarely happened anyway.

---

and you obviously misunderstood my post.

Pre-nerf tanking Ningishzada was very easy. RR + Lion both counted towards DD. Triple attack is nice to have on pet afterall. and when pet was taking 0 damage its really hard for NM to reduce hate on it. Especially when I snarl after every rampage.
Also, pre-nerf, I was not using a regen atma.. that would be silly. It only allowed mobs to do more damage on pet. pet goes down ot 50% hp and stays there indefinitely unless there were a good DoT or spell.

This is kinda moot now anyway, but I had no trouble tanking for a SMALL group or party before the nerf. I kept hate ON the pet. well, until my war friend got Ukko's fury anyway... I couldn't keep hate from that going off..

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Xilk

Uhmmm the disagreement wasn't about holding it for a long time... it was about a 5/5 perle bst doing it. You need 2x pdt- axes upgraded, ferine quijotes +1 or 2, and anwig salade, at least to do it....

---

Which is exactly what I said. Pre nerf anyone with Ducal & Lion could burn their bst to 90 make two pdt axes (which is shockingly easy) go buy some jugs, and pet food then proceed to whittle away at a variety of NM's. Was that zero pdt? No. However it was plenty to get the job done in most cases.

People started bandwagoning this because instead of having to level <insert solo job here> and skill up/gear a job all they had to do was make that minimum time investment into bst. That is what people were raging about in those threads I spoke of. Then within 2 weeks of those discussions the nerf was handed down. Seems fairly cut, and dry.

Post nerf can you still have excellent pdt on a pet? Absolutely, but you have to at least make some effort to do so. Not just burn a job to 90. Buy jugs, and pet food. Stir in 2 atmas, and wa la you're a god.

>.> Dam would Vote god dam Slime