DRK Adjustments via Manifesto

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Originally Posted by NeoLionheart

Scarlet Diarrhea............. I shall incorporate that into my brain.

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nasty nasty stuff

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Originally Posted by Neisan_Quetz

Drk doesn't need a crit WS (outside, and inside you're acting as if it's the only job excluded there).

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raging rush/drakes/evis (to a lesser extent) says hi. They're still stronger than anything drk can do in the ws department (non empy) then when you compare our empy ws we still lose out) the only dd job aside from drk that doesn't have access to a crit ws via its main weapon is samurai, and it really isn't in the same boat as drk. (everyone here knows how rapeface fudo is outside abyssea)

The only way that drk will be a viable contender in a serious DD alliance is to somehow increase our average ws damage, because truthfully our melee phase is pretty solid. Crit based ws is a simple solution to this. Others have put forth the idea to change cratio's and the like and a few other things.

if torcleaver or quietus would become crit based then drk could pump out some pretty impressive ws averages without having to resort to /thf which does hurt our total damage output.

many of the ideas to change drk magic and the like do have merit, but they aren't what's holding drk back in terms of being a serious DD, which is the main point that I believe needs to be fixed with the job. Our magic side brings utility that war, mnk, sam just doesn't have and only needs slight tweaking to really be something fun.

Personally I want to be able to come on my drk and keep up dmg wise with other jobs inside and outside abyssea. (to reiterate I by no means, way, shape, or form want to make drk the premier dd job in the game. I just want to be in the fight and push the war's, mnk's, sam's, drg's a little etc.)

I'm not trying to start a flame fest. I'm just pointing a few things out.

You know what I'd give up Scarlet Delirium for.

A Klondike bar.

Or a nice shag rug.

Update is in a week, if SE is going to do anything to Scarlet Delirium as it is now, it'll be in the next patch probably.

or i could be wrong

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Originally Posted by Dart

raging rush/drakes/evis (to a lesser extent) says hi. They're still stronger than anything drk can do in the ws department (non empy) then when you compare our empy ws we still lose out) the only dd job aside from drk that doesn't have access to a crit ws via its main weapon is samurai, and it really isn't in the same boat as drk. (everyone here knows how rapeface fudo is outside abyssea)

The only way that drk will be a viable contender in a serious DD alliance is to somehow increase our average ws damage, because truthfully our melee phase is pretty solid. Crit based ws is a simple solution to this. Others have put forth the idea to change cratio's and the like and a few other things.

if torcleaver or quietus would become crit based then drk could pump out some pretty impressive ws averages without having to resort to /thf which does hurt our total damage output.

many of the ideas to change drk magic and the like do have merit, but they aren't what's holding drk back in terms of being a serious DD, which is the main point that I believe needs to be fixed with the job. Our magic side brings utility that war, mnk, sam just doesn't have and only needs slight tweaking to really be something fun.

Personally I want to be able to come on my drk and keep up dmg wise with other jobs inside and outside abyssea. (to reiterate I by no means, way, shape, or form want to make drk the premier dd job in the game. I just want to be in the fight and push the war's, mnk's, sam's, drg's a little etc.)

I'm not trying to start a flame fest. I'm just pointing a few things out.

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Was mainly referring to outside, and outside the average damage of all 3 of those WS goes way down, Even with a Twilight Scythe + Guillo drk should be averaging much closer (iffy on Raging due to BR, Drg is almost always /sam from what I see so no benefit from zerk while Drk has LR). Why are complaining about not Emp ws damage outside then refer to Sam using Fudo, I really don't get, Calad and Masa are on the same path so if you're assuming Sam with Fudo it shouldn't be far off to assume the Drk can make Calad.

Guys PLEASE tell whats going to happen to are weapon skill Quietus. PLease tell me they are fixing it so we can at least do 4k to 5k dmg. I worked my ass off for that weapon and to just do small amount of dmg PLEASE some one tell about it????

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Originally Posted by Neisan_Quetz

Was mainly referring to outside, and outside the average damage of all 3 of those WS goes way down, Even with a Twilight Scythe + Guillo drk should be averaging much closer (iffy on Raging due to BR, Drg is almost always /sam from what I see so no benefit from zerk while Drk has LR). Why are complaining about not Emp ws damage outside then refer to Sam using Fudo, I really don't get, Calad and Masa are on the same path so if you're assuming Sam with Fudo it shouldn't be far off to assume the Drk can make Calad.

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RR and drakes both beat guillotine by a pretty solid margin outside, same with cata, still beaten pretty badly by those two. Evis, with all the new crit+ gear it comes close but guillotine is a little stronger, but not much.

Sam is sam, it beats drk by a good margin when played properly without fudo (my fault I was assuming that everyone knew this), and fudo is so much better than torcleaver that its laughable to compare empy ws's.

Quick question, what are you basing the so and so job beats drk? specifically speaking for outside aby i cant see how you are coming to some of your conclusions

ws averages from competent builds (see BG for the tested out info about this), TP/WS split %, having haste + double marches (making it an even playing field). You know "usual stuff" whats so hard to understand? I'm confused as to why you're confused. Unless you're trolling, or ignorant.

I missed editing a few pieces so I'll look over it again but Guillo was actually doing better than I thought it would outside in WS average, barring BR + Raging. Tor average is alot closer when War doesn't have RR + SS backing them up.