You are talking about US wages right because cost of living in japan is super high so there wages are a bit different.
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03-20-2011, 02:03 AMjeffanddane
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03-20-2011, 02:39 AMFallenone
Yo! Idiot!! You do realize that you are running in circles and you have not given any valid points. Allow me to explain: TEPCO had not 1 but two contingency plans and both of those failed. I am sure that SE took not only the power issues into effect but what was in the best interests of their employees. You say you can live without game and you're concerned about the people of Japan. Then how about this... STFU and sit back and wait like the rest of us. Did it ever occur to you SE has willingly given up over 4million they would have made for our accounts. No company willingly gives up their profits for a month unless there's a damn good reason. You say this isn't about you not being able to play but that's just your way of disguising your whining.
I also advise you learn to suck it up because servers are gonna be down for a lot longer then 2 weeks. The power issues over there are long term and we'll be feeling it's effects for a while. I'm more worried about the people I care about who are over there dealing with this little things we all call "real life". -
03-20-2011, 02:48 AMRAISTThe example was givien in dollars, so it stands to reason that a country that uses the dollar as currency would apply (ie, US estimates). Rates would adjust accordingly--industry standards are industry standards. And the debate is over setting up an alternate site in another country, not Japan.Quote:
Originally Posted by jeffanddane
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03-20-2011, 02:52 AMRAIST---Rocky Horror Picture ShowQuote:
The Criminologist: And crawling, on the planet's face, some insects, called the human race. Lost in time, and lost in space... and meaning.
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03-20-2011, 03:27 AMAtomic646You clearly have not met Sega and there MMO RPG's...Quote:
Originally Posted by Vedabe
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03-20-2011, 03:29 AMchubrocka
Wow, i really thought we played on servers here in the states???
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03-20-2011, 03:44 AMEisensword
None of this is SE's fault. I mean i admit ive got my problems with SE, but when the Govt orders the power out not much they can do about that. Alot of people take this or anything for granted. Take a moment think about all the problems in japan and stop crying about the petty problems of not being able to play. Hers a thought pick up a book and read it....
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03-20-2011, 03:48 AMMiera
I believe SE really had no choice of the matter anyway, if the government told them they need to shut down their services to reserve power you have to do what they say.
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03-20-2011, 04:39 AMVedabeQuote:
Originally Posted by Eisensword
You clearly have not seen my point, it is not about the game, forget the game, is about the service they are providing as a company, my concern is not beeing able to play the game, is that they did not have a plan of emergency for situations like this, specially when there are records of pretty strong earthquakes before. You can just based your hole strategy when you are offering a world wide franchise, for instance now a days when you buy a world wide product like ipod, the warranty is valid world wide, or how would you feel if you buy something in other countrie, and all of the sudden it fails, and the warranty is not valid world wide, and I will REPEAT this again, i am not a selfish bastard, i feel really bad for the japan region, it is not about being desperate of playing again.
You guys are mixing two completely different scenarios.
I see you are excusing bad service, with the feeling of a catastrofic event, i feel horrible too. But what would you say, if instead of an earth quake, something else happens and only the building with the servers are wrecked, the result is the same stuff, the servers are offline. -
03-20-2011, 04:55 AMVedabeQuote:
Originally Posted by Fallenone
You know, i have not disrespect anyone even though they think different than me, seriously all of your comments show how "intelligent" and mentally skilled you are. Anyway, i don´t even know, why am i bothering in answering to this, you would not understand it either way. Have a nice day. :) -
03-20-2011, 04:57 AMRetsujo
I don't understand how it's bad service. POL and SE phone support is still running, we're being kept up to date with little updates of the situation, and have been apologized to for the inconvenience of suspended service. Maybe it's not the ideal service you wish to have, having compared this with your ideals for your up-and-coming company you say you're starting, but just wait until your company becomes successful and something happens that you have to make a split-second decision based on recent events and your government. It was the most efficient decision, and has given most of us the opportunity to spend our month's payment on a donation towards the effort to rebuild what's been lost.
I'm not saying you're insensitive for your words, but I certainly don't think you have a very good idea of 'the business.' -
03-20-2011, 04:59 AMAhanaI am honestly starting to wonder if you are reading the responses you have gotten.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vedabe
The earthquake DID NOT knock the servers offline. The tsunami DID NOT knock the servers offline. TEPCO shutting down the power and the government requesting everyone, large and small, to curtail power usage since there was a country-wide 33% supply shortfall DID.
You keep claiming that SE lacking a complete duplicate set of operating servers in another country represents poor service. You are WRONG. Get that through your head now. Wrong. Incorrect. Not right. Counterfactual. However you want to interpret it. This is not a standard practice in this industry. Hell, it is not a standard practice in ANY industry, that I am aware of. The second largest company in the world maintains separate server clusters in each of their worldwide regions, but does not integrate them with each other in real-time.
I understand that you feel like they should be doing this. You are welcome to that opinion. That neither makes it correct nor shared by anyone else, though. The bandwidth costs alone for real-time duplication between the server farm in Japan and the backup are millions of dollars. Daily. It is not cost-effective for SE to do so. It is not reasonable to expect them to. Quit with the poor analogies like worldwide warranties and look at the facts.
SE is providing excellent service to their customers in this case -- a free month of usage for the week+ downtime. Any claims to the contrary are ignorant at best. -
03-20-2011, 05:02 AMAuriga
Holy hell in many hand baskets.. this is still going on? I went to sleep for 9 hours an this crap has
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03-20-2011, 05:13 AMRAIST
personally, I haven't had trouble with their support. The few time's I've contacted them, they've been very helpful, got to the root of the problem, and fixed it. Granted, I would have preferred not to wait so long to have my toon restored when I got hacked a few years back, but it was during a peak period of hacking and they were trying to gather as much info as possible so I dind't mind so much swappping some information with them. In the end, my toon was restored to about 3 days prior to the incident, which was the closest point in time they found.
Granted, others may have had more difficult issues because of the screwy way the payment methods and what not are designed, but those are now known flaws and have known methods for avoiding them now, so those incidents are now diminished--but when they first encounter an issue on a massive scale there will always be backlash...which leads to this event.
There have only been 4 other events in recorded history equivalent to this one. Not even in Japan--we're talking Alaska, Russia, and I think it was India and somehere in the south-east of the pacific area. This was a, by any measure, unforeseen circumstance.
There was a contingency plan for the 9.0 earthquake. Systems were activated and functioned as intended. If it had JUST been the earthquake (as has happened on a fairly basis there--Japan has tremors like some areas get hurricanes)--they were prepared for it, and protected as evidenced by us not loosig service during the previous quake that happend on MARCH 09, JUST A FEW DAYS PRIOR.
What caused the problem was the unforeseen event of a frekaing 13 meter Tsunami that wiped entire towns off the map--including one with a DOUBLE 10 meter barrier wall built to protect it from tsunami waves (which had been protecting it in past events). The tsunami waves (plural, it was more than just one btw) ripped up all the resources needed to support secondary and backup systems. Yes.. that's right--two failover systems were rendered useless, not by the quakes, but by the ocean.
This has resulted an a crisis never seen, never imagined, and thus unprepared for. It is a testemant to their design of everything in general over there that there is still a data farm for us to even be concerned about bringing back online in the first place.
Again...until we hear anything about just what they are/aren't doig about the situation, you really have no leg to stand on for criticizing their actions or lack there of in that regard.
Criticism for lack of communication is a whole other animal though....
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03-20-2011, 05:16 AMKailea_Nagisa
what meds? *hides the tray full of pills and things* ^.^
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03-20-2011, 05:34 AMAurigaProf. Farnsworth: Yes, yes, yes. You sound like a broken mp3. =pQuote:
Originally Posted by Kailea_Nagisa
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03-20-2011, 05:43 AMVedabeLol, how are you Auri, did you have a good sleep :PQuote:
Originally Posted by Auriga
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03-20-2011, 08:20 AMHFX7686You believe that SE should have had a plan for a triple disaster that has knocked an entire country sideways?Quote:
Originally Posted by Vedabe
If Apple was in an area with a huge catastrophe, where people were dying and hurt, and was unable to guarantee my iPod warranty for a month or two, that would be okay.
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03-20-2011, 08:33 AMTearValerin
OP is a selfish, selfish, little person. There are people dead, hungry, and without homes, and the government asked them to cut power, yet you demand they keep your game up? They are give you a free month of service for the delay, keeping you updated, and apologizing for the inconvenience. Grow up, op. The world does not revolve around you and your fixation on FFXI. The poor Japanese people have lives that matter too.
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03-20-2011, 08:59 AMVedabeAll right, now i got really mad.Quote:
Originally Posted by TearValerin
You guys are calling me insensitive, childish bastard, how about this, i´ve been in japan, and i loved the culture, i have stayed there for a couple of months teaching spanish for free, just because i feel like it.
I have learned so much from the japanese culture, and i loved it.
You guys just keep judging away, when i have not even say anything to disrespect anyone, as a matter of fact i have thanked everyone just to post on this topic, because i value your time, on discussing on one matter.
Discussing is not the same as judging, and you guys need to realize that. I do feel horrible about the japanese situation, i have donated for the cause, my sister is giving home to 3 japense friends she have( cause she used to live there), we paid for half of their plane tickets, we know they have lost everything.
So do not come and tell me that i am a selfish bastard, because i know i have done more than all of you, combined, you guys are just posting all the regrets and shit, like little kids. It is impossible not feeling bad about the hole situation, it was just overwhelming, but you are actually not doing a shit. Just complaining, disrespcting and judging to people that just think different than you.
Most of you guys are just crying on your asses sitting all day long on the computer, saying "yeah, bitch i have a life you, don´t. well what a great life, why don´t you get up and do something on your community to get founds for Japan, i know that would help.
This is the last time i post on this topic, and the main idea of it, was "yeah shit happens", and we feel bad about it, but we have to learn from the mistakes, so this won´t happen again.
I am not insensitive at all, i just all the time learning to focus on what can i do today to improve things, feeling bad and doing anything, it just won´t help anyone.
Grow up little kids. (not all of you, some of you guys seems really nice folks) -
03-20-2011, 09:14 AMRAIST
just gonna copy and paste from another post... eh.. call me lazy. Someone also pointed out that info says that mass transit runs through there as well. Maybe this draws a little more perspective on SE's precarious situation:
Interesting tidbit of info I just stumbled when another thread prompted me to look up some stuff on SE. Here's a link to some info on SE's 23 story building that houses 4 of SE's divisions (SE holdings, SE limited, Taito Corp, and SE Business Holdings):
http://www.tokyoarchitecture.info/Bu...unka-Quint.php
If you map it and zoom in and out, you will notice it is fairly close to several key features like HOSPITALS and POLICE STATIONS, the Tokyo Metro Government building, post offices... In fact, there is a hospital and one police station within just a few blocks.
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03-20-2011, 09:23 AMTearValerinIt helps if you take your own advice, and not behave like a child throwing a fit when you get criticized for sounding like an insensitive twit. The coarse language, arrogance, and pretentiousness... what the hell is with the unwarrented sense of self pride? For all you know, one of these posters could have helped far more than you have, but that is irrelevant. Your original post is offensive, and outright insensitive, and your posting lies is the equivalent of saying "I HAVE A BLACK FRIEND SO I CAN SAY THE N WORD AND NOT BE RACIST." Rather than be a hypocrite, why don't you get off your computer and continue helping this cause you claim to support so much, infant, Lord knows we don't need a kid like you posting such slanderous dribble.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vedabe
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03-20-2011, 09:31 AMAnon
Would you guys please stay out of this thread with the white knighting. You just don't get it. Those of us who are unhappy with SE know how you feel. And have asked you a million times to just please... go post somewhere else. Your internet bravado is just dry and boring now. The op was a bit nicer than alot of us negative posters have been. And you guys still proceeded to jump on him and flame him all you could. He responded with thought out answers. He tried not to get into a flame war with you. He tried to respect your responses and answer in kind. But none of you would have it. If you didn't call him names or accuse him of being an insensitive jerk then you googled up some numbers and threw that at him.
The reason I personally am so upset is because for over 8 years now I've made my monthly payment on time. And the one time I'd like more than "Talk to you Tuesday" I get "Talk to you Tuesday". Seriously? That's adequate service? No. It is not. So please. Will you guys take all your rainbows and smiles to the million other threads you inundate with mindless banter? And leave the small portion of us with the gumption to not appreciate the current situation alone? I've attacked none of you anywhere. I have responded in kind. And will continue to do so.
As for the pm asking how I've not gotten banned. That's an easy answer kind sir. To ban me for responding to you they would have to ban alot of you for attacking posters like myself. Call it what you want. You guys have your internet torches burning and you flame everyone you can. -
03-20-2011, 09:33 AMLeatherman
As much as people get all defensive due to the things happening in Japan I will have to agree with Vedabe. It's bound to have others saying something to defend or simply to oppose the topic, it will always happen. I completely understand his point of view, and when he said that he didn't refer it to the Japanese themselves. He was talking about a company. If it wasn't for this disaster all you pretend defenders would be up in arms with him, because I hear a lot of that in-game. The fact is Square Enix is not SquareSoft and that's the difference from the Final Fantasy Series being an excitement and being a disappointment.
Here is a challenge to SquareEnix, step up your game or consult the lead team from the old company, SquareSoft. Open your mind about server location and even multiple locations for that matter.
I'm glad the servers are down actually, because I get so much more done and I'm having a blast working out extra hours and hanging out with friends outside the game world. Yes, I miss it to a certain extent and am hoping they come with something refreshing when they are back online to set a "in memory of" type of event. Adversity brings forth excellence.
Oh and for all you defenders or pretenders in my opinion they should have their server somewhere else getting money and donating that money (that they are not making now) to the people of need in Japan.
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03-20-2011, 09:34 AMWhirlingdervish
Vedabe, just out of curiosity what field do you work in?
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03-20-2011, 09:40 AMFlunklesnarkin
So much mayad in this thread....
I'm sure servers will come up eventually...
I suggest trying a new mmo during the server down time
"Outside"
From the makers the MMORPG "IRL"
Features:
*No monthly fee
*Massive world to explore
*Incredible NPC AI
*Over 56,400 character archtypes
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03-20-2011, 09:42 AMTsukino_KajiThat is the bigest lie I've ever heard. Only children get to play for free.Quote:
Originally Posted by Flunklesnarkin
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03-20-2011, 09:47 AMTearValerin
I think it is abolutely insane people expect a 9 year old game to still have the support it used to. Diablo 2 finally cut off support last September for its old dinosaur of a self... we should be lucky they still have phone representatives for a game that is considered ancient in the MMO world.
@Anon OP is a dunce, saying "I donated to Japan, so you better get my game back up, you failures." is the stupidest thing I've ever heard. If he wants to berate the company he can do it on one of the numerous fansites. If he wants to curse up a storm, this isn't the place for it either. -
03-20-2011, 09:48 AMNattack
welfare is a better mmo, they practically give you everything. and discourage exping
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03-20-2011, 09:53 AMDaleTearValerin, everytime i read these threads you are always flaming some other person.Quote:
Originally Posted by TearValerin
His post was not childish. There was no course language. Unwarranted sense of pride? Insensitive? Slanderous dribble? lol I really don't see how this mild post could have offended you so. Your post was far more offensive.
So he thinks Square should have had a back up plan and he doesn't like their service. That's basically all he said. You are exagerating the contents of his post to the max and in doing so you will undermine any point you ever had to make. -
03-20-2011, 10:04 AMVedabehey, my social profession is psychologist, right now i am working as a volunter on a rehab center for drug young people, on the mornings, i live in Cancun, and as you all know we are having major issues with drug abuse, and also i just set my "shrink´s office" lol, on the evenings.Quote:
Originally Posted by Whirlingdervish
My pasion is electronic music, i just finished setting my music studio up, i am big fan of trance music myself, so my plan is getting to live from the music over the future.
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03-20-2011, 10:05 AMTsukino_KajiHave you posted anything you've made?Quote:
Originally Posted by Vedabe
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03-20-2011, 10:07 AMVedabeQuote:
Originally Posted by Leatherman
YESSS PLEASE we Want Squaresoft back, so bad, sometimes i feel FF lost the soul from the games, to me playing FF is like reading a awsome fantasy book :P. -
03-20-2011, 10:07 AMKindra
After seeing a lot of the other posts made on this topic I thought he was polite about it. Also I have read through this whole thread and not until this late did I see him get as angry as he is now. He was polite with his answers and pointed out many many times it is just his opinion. Also He did say in his OP that English is not his first language. While some words weren't the right words in the situation I still understood what he was trying to say.
I just think that people are refusing to try to understand where others are coming from. People have not even tried to look at both sides, choosing to be angry on 1 side or the other.
I also think that he was saying it for future plans reasons. Not demanding, but asking them to take this into consideration.
And last but not least everyone has their own way of seeing things. This is not a new concept. To each their own.
This is not an attack on anyone just saying what I see and feel. -
03-20-2011, 10:07 AMjeffanddane
Seriously this convo is very one sided.
1 Person= I have an opinion about something.
147892378489127 People versus 1 person= I am right I am righteous so I am going to join the 147892378489127 to bring you down. Isn't it funny that a lot of Japanese think they should of had a back up plan too. . . . Like I said before even if it wasn't brought back up for us . . . . At least bring it back up for them so they can get there mind off of all the bad things that have happened in the past week or so. -
03-20-2011, 10:11 AMVedabeRight now, i had to stop the music side, because of my work, but i started a podcast last year of trance music wich i hope i can continue this year.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tsukino_Kaji
Http://mikygarcia.podomatic.com have a listen if you like :) cheers. -
03-20-2011, 10:12 AMTearValerinQuote:
Originally Posted by Dale
Dale, read and mind your own business. If those bolded words aren't profanity, then I'm a horses rear.Quote:
All right, now i got really mad.
You guys are calling me insensitive, childish bastard, how about this, i´ve been in japan, and i loved the culture, i have stayed there for a couple of months teaching spanish for free, just because i feel like it.
I have learned so much from the japanese culture, and i loved it.
You guys just keep judging away, when i have not even say anything to disrespect anyone, as a matter of fact i have thanked everyone just to post on this topic, because i value your time, on discussing on one matter.
Discussing is not the same as judging, and you guys need to realize that. I do feel horrible about the japanese situation, i have donated for the cause, my sister is giving home to 3 japense friends she have( cause she used to live there), we paid for half of their plane tickets, we know they have lost everything.
So do not come and tell me that i am a selfish bastard, because i know i have done more than all of you, combined, you guys are just posting all the regrets and shit, like little kids. It is impossible not feeling bad about the hole situation, it was just overwhelming, but you are actually not doing a shit. Just complaining, disrespcting and judging to people that just think different than you.
Most of you guys are just crying on your asses sitting all day long on the computer, saying "yeah, bitch i have a life you, don´t. well what a great life, why don´t you get up and do something on your community to get founds for Japan, i know that would help.
This is the last time i post on this topic, and the main idea of it, was "yeah shit happens", and we feel bad about it, but we have to learn from the mistakes, so this won´t happen again.
I am not insensitive at all, i just all the time learning to focus on what can i do today to improve things, feeling bad and doing anything, it just won´t help anyone.
Grow up little kids. (not all of you, some of you guys seems really nice folks)
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03-20-2011, 10:14 AMMyrrhHi, Irony.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vedabe
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03-20-2011, 10:17 AMDukeDudeston
Although, he does have a point "kinda", but what where square to do? have mirrors of the same game somewhere else?
They do HAVE backup's of the game data, ask anyone who has had their account compromised (you can start with me) I had nothing.. got it all stolen from me.. got my character back, a 3 week ago restore, but I had mostly everything I originally had.
You really expect Square to constantly make backups of their game, and transfer it to another server "just in case"?
they would do that, IF something like this happens on a monthly basis maybe.. lol if it happened that often, they would probably host the game somwhere else in the world.
The problem is, dedicated game servers, are not cheap, and having some wurring away in some remote location, on the off chance that something this big will happen again, will be a total waste of money, even if they do earn millions, it will still be.. a complete waste of money.
Even if they used both server centers at the same time, it will cause huge lag. you will have to ping the nearest server, then wait for that to ping the other data center (to make sure the data is the same), then wait....
You may pay money, but I don't think Square or "McDonalds" will really want to pay for a seperate set of mirroring servers. -
03-20-2011, 10:17 AMTsukino_Kaji#24 is an hour long. lolQuote:
Originally Posted by Vedabe