HNMs and the future of FFXI

SW/DI had the correct idea

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Originally Posted by FrankReynolds

Actually, there is something they can do... get rid of them... and they did.

As for your "you don't have to do it if you don't want to" argument, No, I don't have to do it... I can complain about it in your thread and make sure it never happens.

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1. They didn't get rid of bots, bothered to look at say beaucidene lately? tons of fish bots, camped zipacna lately? lots of jp using clippers to go thru walls, Nyzul? lol. They didnt get rid of anything, and they wont, dying game needs money.

2. You can complain all you want, you have no power really over what happens or gets implemented, you do have an opinion though, and its stated so you can shut up now.

And @ the poster beforehand, yes Sandworm and Dark Ixion were very fun and different kind of HNM camps. More HNM like that need to be implemented. Promoted teamwork, communication, and competition.

I will never understand why the people who make threads asking for the return of HNMs are the ones who were used as pawns and/or never got anything worthwhile.

I enjoyed HNMs back in the days, it was lot of fun, lot of not that fun too, but it was a good experience overall. That chapter is closed, I got everything from it back when it was relevant, I'm fine with it being burried in the past. I can understand the bitterness, people wanting to shine and so on, to step on others the way they were stepped on because they think that now they are in position to revert the roles.

Unfortunately guys, there is nobody left to care, even on BG. The atmosphere has changed too much, HNM wouldn't have the same feeling as it did, neither would anything from it be considered an achievement.

The gold age is long since gone, just remember this fondly.

TL;DR: nostalgia goggles and masochist fetish are cute things.

How persay am I a pawn? Going to love to hear this one.

No, you are actually in the second category, the pawn part was directed toward someone else in this thread who linked a thread of his own, talking about the exact same thing. Though, he's well aware of his status and enjoys it, so it is not meant in a bad way, as I'm pretty sure a lot of people share his feelings.

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Originally Posted by Winrie

1. They didn't get rid of bots, bothered to look at say beaucidene lately? tons of fish bots, camped zipacna lately? lots of jp using clippers to go thru walls, Nyzul? lol. They didnt get rid of anything, and they wont, dying game needs money.

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No, they didn't get rid of bots. They got rid of the NMs where bots were the biggest problems. I shouldn't have to explain that. The type of botting that goes on now rarely has any direct affect on other peoples enjoyment of the game. They got rid of the biggest nuisances.

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Originally Posted by Winrie

2. You can complain all you want, you have no power really over what happens or gets implemented, you do have an opinion though, and its stated so you can shut up now.

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Same goes for you, but we both know that your not going to shut up and neither am I.

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Originally Posted by Winrie

And @ the poster beforehand, yes Sandworm and Dark Ixion were very fun and different kind of HNM camps. More HNM like that need to be implemented. Promoted teamwork, communication, and competition.

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Those were botted too btw.

Oh do shut up! The game is in a dreadfull state look at last nights update absolutley nothing but garbage.

New world spawns hnms would be most welcome now, they really do need to bring them back and for all the people moaning simply don't do them, i myself hate voidwatch so guess what i don't do it and i certainly don't complain about it on here.

World spawn hnms to return!

If they do return, Habu is the only one whowill be claiming them.

Because apparently, hes the only one whosbeen allowed to update.

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Praises go out to Habu! HNM's, Camps, the days of old are greatly missed!!! You are not alone Habu many of my members that are still holding on remember and talk about these days..... The game has BEEN GIMPED! The game now is set up for all those crying ass ??????? that complain and complain about how they couldn't or get they gear like the legends that play more offen then a hour here and a hour there. This is my First post on NA forum so i'm going to let the Gimp crying ass ??????? have it! So many player and good ones left because of this change to FFXI and i'm sure it has cost SE. Now we are left with shit like everyone running around with Pink and Pearl gear.... LOL no words come to my mind but "Gimp" (When ever in time was there a Pink NINJA or a Pink THIEF? If there were they were Shot, Hung, and Stoned to Death) They gear has no value when you see someone that rarely plays and is wearing the same Gear or item you worked your ass off to gear and all other slots are 70 lvs under..... There needs to be separation!!!!!!! STOP Crying Gimp Fucks Play the game! And to sum up what i just said so the ppl that just started playing this game can understand: The Competition and thrill is no longer in FFXI because of lame ass ppl crying about how they cant (Kill or play well with others) LS's are not dead and no one runs home anymore to play, hoping to be next on the list to get that item you rarely see (Ridill, D-ring, HQ gear) I'm with you Habu! GRUDGE LS

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Originally Posted by newmonkey

Oh do shut up! The game is in a dreadful state look at last nights update absolutely nothing but garbage.

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Actually the update did bring back the feeling of HNM!

With the update you sit around doing other things instead of playing the game. With HNM you sit around doing other things instead of playing the game.

With the update you log-in and are kept from your goals by other players claiming server connections. With HNM you are kept from your goals by other players claiming the NM you're after.

With the update you have to rely on third party ingenuity to get a leg up on everyone else. With HNM you have to rely on third party "ingenuity" to get a leg up on everyone else.

So yeah, HNM style gameplay returned last night! SE answered your prayers, guys! Congratulations!

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Originally Posted by Camiie

Actually the update did bring back the feeling of HNM!

With the update you sit around doing other things instead of playing the game. With HNM you sit around doing other things instead of playing the game.

With the update you log-in and are kept from your goals by other players claiming server connections. With HNM you are kept from your goals by other players claiming the NM you're after.

With the update you have to rely on third party ingenuity to get a leg up on everyone else. With HNM you have to rely on third party "ingenuity" to get a leg up on everyone else.

So yeah, HNM style gameplay returned last night! SE answered your prayers, guys! Congratulations!

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Where to begin.. ; ;

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Originally Posted by Eastcrow

Praises go out to Habu! HNM's, Camps, the days of old are greatly missed!!! You are not alone Habu many of my members that are still holding on remember and talk about these days..... The game has BEEN GIMPED! The game now is set up for all those crying ass ??????? that complain and complain about how they couldn't or get they gear like the legends that play more offen then a hour here and a hour there. This is my First post on NA forum so i'm going to let the Gimp crying ass ??????? have it! So many player and good ones left because of this change to FFXI and i'm sure it has cost SE. Now we are left with shit like everyone running around with Pink and Pearl gear.... LOL no words come to my mind but "Gimp" (When ever in time was there a Pink NINJA or a Pink THIEF? If there were they were Shot, Hung, and Stoned to Death) They gear has no value when you see someone that rarely plays and is wearing the same Gear or item you worked your ass off to gear and all other slots are 70 lvs under..... There needs to be separation!!!!!!! STOP Crying Gimp Fucks Play the game! And to sum up what i just said so the ppl that just started playing this game can understand: The Competition and thrill is no longer in FFXI because of lame ass ppl crying about how they cant (Kill or play well with others) LS's are not dead and no one runs home anymore to play, hoping to be next on the list to get that item you rarely see (Ridill, D-ring, HQ gear) I'm with you Habu! GRUDGE LS

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Grudge on Unicorn was indeed a legend, it made us laugh like no other.

I'm with you East, may you be the light that will guide us through the darkness on the way to the HNM resurrection.

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Originally Posted by Eastcrow

Praises go out to Habu! HNM's, Camps, the days of old are greatly missed!!! You are not alone Habu many of my members that are still holding on remember and talk about these days..... The game has BEEN GIMPED! The game now is set up for all those crying ass ??????? that complain and complain about how they couldn't or get they gear like the legends that play more offen then a hour here and a hour there. This is my First post on NA forum so i'm going to let the Gimp crying ass ??????? have it! So many player and good ones left because of this change to FFXI and i'm sure it has cost SE. Now we are left with shit like everyone running around with Pink and Pearl gear.... LOL no words come to my mind but "Gimp" (When ever in time was there a Pink NINJA or a Pink THIEF? If there were they were Shot, Hung, and Stoned to Death) They gear has no value when you see someone that rarely plays and is wearing the same Gear or item you worked your ass off to gear and all other slots are 70 lvs under..... There needs to be separation!!!!!!! STOP Crying Gimp Fucks Play the game! And to sum up what i just said so the ppl that just started playing this game can understand: The Competition and thrill is no longer in FFXI because of lame ass ppl crying about how they cant (Kill or play well with others) LS's are not dead and no one runs home anymore to play, hoping to be next on the list to get that item you rarely see (Ridill, D-ring, HQ gear) I'm with you Habu! GRUDGE LS

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I think your onto something. They should make new HNM Spawns... and they should drop gimp pink gear.

I think you guys need to find some new route to self esteem. Having the shiniest gear in FFXI isn't going to last forever.

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Originally Posted by FrankReynolds

I think you guys need to find some new route to self esteem. Having the shiniest gear in FFXI isn't going to last forever.

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Most of the people in this thread who have been the most vehement about wanting HNM, seem to carry a really negative vibe to say the least. The way they communicate on here is needlessly rude, condescending, arrogant, and especially grammatically incorrect. I can see why people like that enjoyed the "thrill" of HNM immensely. Heck, some have admitted getting off on the drama. The really sad part is, they almost have to be adults and they're still acting this way.

If the game no longer appeals to people that immature, I say we're much better off.

Except it's the complete opposite, all I've gotten since I made this thread is extremely harsh feedback and personal attacks against me and anyone who wants them back.

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Originally Posted by FrankReynolds

Those were botted too btw.

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SW and DI can't really be botted - how can you bot a NM that can spawn in any of 6 (7 if after a maintenance) different zones, and have several possible pop spots or one fairly large pop area in each zone?

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Originally Posted by Tamoa

SW and DI can't really be botted - how can you bot a NM that can spawn in any of 6 (7 if after a maintenance) different zones, and have several possible pop spots or one fairly large pop area in each zone?

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You can use tools that can detect it's appearance in a zone.

That desn't hgelp you claim it, and most players who use that as an example are grasping at straws. DI/SW were typically dominated by non-third party using shells/group that had more massive numbers.

People who went into di/sw thinking they could use nasa and make consistant claim against competition usually went home empty handed.

DI/SW required you to focus for both holding and camping. Anyone who says otherwise is delusional and doesn't know wtf. I have over 600 kills each under my belt. Lol at people "botting" di/sw.

FP SCANNING is not botting and does not offer you a huge advantage against a huge number of scanners. The point is completely absurd.

Doesn't happen often, but I agree 100% with what you're saying there. ^

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Originally Posted by Habu

Except it's the complete opposite, all I've gotten since I made this thread is extremely harsh feedback and personal attacks against me and anyone who wants them back.

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Can't speak for others, but i thought my posts were pretty level-headed.

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Originally Posted by Camiie

seem to carry a really negative vibe to say the least.

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That's rich coming from the "no police."

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Originally Posted by Dazusu

That's rich coming from the "no police."

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I don't think you understand that term.

Yay drama free now

You can blame the concept of atmas and weakness !! for HNMs now. If the two were never as powerful as they are now then you might have bosses that still take a decent amount of cooperation and skill to kill.

I think it's pretty clear what most of us want right now, no disrespect to the casuals but some of us want something more. To the people complaining about bots, don't fo the content if you dont wanna, it's simple. You all who object to the want of hnm return seem to assume you'll have to do it hands down 100%, first I'd like to note there's no hnm out, it's a suggestion, that's what forums are for, dry your tears, secondly I'd like to state back in the golden age lots of the top tier shit came from more casual done events such as limbus, dynamis and einherjar. Thus I don't see a reason for the bitching.


Btw I want a pink fafnir to fight gdi

People don't know what the term "casual" means in games anymore. Also, I love the tags for the thread.

IMO not to dis on anyone but if I'm paying my money irl to play a video game id rather it not be a casual game, but I'll play whatever is fun if it keep me entertained.

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Originally Posted by Winrie

I think it's pretty clear what most of us want right now,

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Most of who? Most of the people for HNM in this thread or most of the FFXI population? I have doubts that most of the FFXI population wants what you do. I can't prove it, but it seems a safe assumption.

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no disrespect to the casuals but some of us want something more.

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That's not blatantly disrespectful, just underhandedly so. You want something different, but don't assume what you want is superior, deeper, or more valid.

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To the people complaining about bots, don't fo the content if you dont wanna, it's simple.

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It's not as simple as that. If the HNM crowd is out there botting gear it affects what happens outside of that content. The ill-gotten gear from HNM doesn't just vanish when you step outside the Aery. If you don't think that could have a ripple effect on the rest of the game in several ways, then you need to think about it a bit more. The botting and win-at-all-costs mentalities don't vanish when you step outside the Aery either.

Bots bots bot bot bots. Get over ittttttttt. QQ into your pillow more while I'm out killing all the Fafnirs. No really the bot conversation is getting old.

Also, OP already said it more than once that having the gear obtainable in a secondary way - like with Odin and kings abjurations - would be absolutely fine. So I really don't see the problem here and I have to admit I get the impression that the majority of those crying "omgbots", are probably people who either 1) never did hnms, 2) rarely claimed hnms/couldn't kill if they claimed, 3) never got anything they wanted when they did hnms because they were in shells where the leaders got everything and favouritism ruled. I might be wrong though, idk.

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Originally Posted by Tamoa

I might be wrong though, idk.

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You are. If I hadn't experienced all HNM had to offer I would have no reason to despise it.

Hi, I just wanted to say that HNM are the best thing that ever happened to FFXI, should bring them back no matter what!

Guys, he's trolling ya'll. Just ignore him. Turn around and walk away, we all know HNMs sucked due to the claiming system, no need to elaborate or debate that part. Heck you can still do "HNMs", just do the KSNM99 and get the pop item, there you now have your "HNM".

You're missing the part where you actually competed for the claim. I'm not trolling ftfy

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Originally Posted by Habu

Hi, I just wanted to say that HNM are the best thing that ever happened to FFXI, should bring them back no matter what!

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I can't tell if you're trolling or just plain crazy.

Even from the comfort of my armchair I can see quite clearly what HNMs constitute some of the worst game design in FFXI, which is saying a lot. Good on you for finding ways to enjoy it, but let's not pretend it was something it wasn't.

Rush of seeing a HNM pop until its claimed is the best adrenaline rush FFXI can give you. It can be related to doing a line, if you don't like HNMs that's on you, don't bring that nonsense of it sucking into this thread. What sucks to you and what sucks to me is different and doesn't me either way is a fact. So stop posting stupid shit like it is.

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Originally Posted by Habu

Rush of seeing a HNM pop until its claimed ...

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Because of the congestion, a lot of people saw them as popping claimed.

On the flip side, I'm still not seeing the issue if all the HNM drops were found in other events. Well, other than the fact that it's something you don't like and thus, don't want someone else doing....Who let all the Republicans in here?

I think I've only ever seen a Nidhogg pop claimed once...back when there were 200 people in DA lol. I agree, I don't understand the hostility towards HNM if their drops also come from another location :(

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Originally Posted by Habu

I think I've only ever seen a Nidhogg pop claimed once...back when there were 200 people in DA lol. I agree, I don't understand the hostility towards HNM if their drops also come from another location :(

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Part of it depends on your gaming system. I learned early on, you never, ever come to claim on an X-Box. Surprising, the PS2 was a good system for claiming. Before I moved to PC, I did a lot of NM claiming with that system. By the time I got into HNM's, I had already moved to PC. But, there were days with 70 people in the zone where it would appear to pop claimed.

Yeah up until around 2008 I played on PS2, I have played on XBOX but never took it to a camp because I had heard about how terrible the lag is with it. On my computer though even with 50+ there I've never had a problem with seeing a mob spawn though ;x