Whatever happened to Cait Sith and Atomos?

Such a major addition to the game should not really placed at such a seemingly low priority.

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Originally Posted by Camate

Greetings summoners,

The development team has not forgotten about the implementation of Cait Sith and Atomos as new avatars; however, when it comes to job related content they are currently prioritizing adjustments and merit point categories for geomancer and rune fencer, as well as the new special abilities.
(They are prioritizing the new special abilities because they are being added to all jobs.)

With that said however, we are planning to implement Cait Sith and Atomos at the same time.

We mentioned this previously, but Caith Sith will be a type of avatar that will fight alongside you, while Atomos will be a special type of avatar similar to Odin and Alexander.

Once we have some new information to share on the status of these two new avatars we will be sure to let you all know!

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Well, at least they confirmed that SMN is on the bottom of the priority list.

Obviously geo and run had been in the picture a while just unbeknownst to us. Its not like they just decided to add the jobs a few months before the expansion came out. I am quite happy they are addin these new summons, and i am disappointed it is takin so long but i feel like im the only one not butt hurt that they arent released yet.

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Originally Posted by Camate

Atomos will be a special type of avatar similar to Odin and Alexander.

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Can it just be a special avatar similar to Alexander please? Alex was brilliant before the nerf-bat hit us, and is still somewhat useful now, whereas Odin was never anything other than a bit of fun during an exp pt in abyssea.

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Originally Posted by Camate

Greetings summoners,

The development team has not forgotten about the implementation of Cait Sith and Atomos as new avatars; however, when it comes to job related content they are currently prioritizing adjustments and merit point categories for geomancer and rune fencer, as well as the new special abilities.
(They are prioritizing the new special abilities because they are being added to all jobs.)

With that said however, we are planning to implement Cait Sith and Atomos at the same time.

We mentioned this previously, but Caith Sith will be a type of avatar that will fight alongside you, while Atomos will be a special type of avatar similar to Odin and Alexander.

Once we have some new information to share on the status of these two new avatars we will be sure to let you all know!

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New grips for smns are nice and Cait Sith + Atomos could be great if SE adds them "soon". But i would like to know if there are plans to fix summoner job, is it even a priority for SE?

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Originally Posted by Umisame

New grips for smns are nice and Cait Sith + Atomos could be great if SE adds them "soon". But i would like to know if there are plans to fix summoner job, is it even a priority for SE?

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No, no it's not.

SMN only flags up as a priority to SE, if it has something useful or over-powered. Right now, they seem to have eliminated all of these, until we get our new 2-hour. If that turns out to be useful in anyway, watch it get nerfed within days!.

On a scale 1 to 100 on priority SMN is a -1 cause that's how I've been feeling. Cause look at all the NERF we get as SMN yet nothing good is added and when they "Say" going to add new summons takes them... How long it been going on? yet they said was going to add new jobs AFTER they said anything on new summons and only thing they did on SMN was NERF it instead of making it better.
When they DO add something new for SMN they start to NERF it and make it weak or super useless or they add a new summon (Alex) that WAS good at start BUT they NERF it cause people are using it more for Nyzul Isle like scholars "Embrava Spell" that uses 2hr (at the time) just to cast it.

but anyways thanks for letting me rant.

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Originally Posted by Camate

...Atomos will be a special type of avatar similar to Odin and Alexander...

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I'm sorry, but we already have enough pointlessly restricted "avatars", we don't need any more atrocities on our spell list. If resources are not available to make an actual avatar, you need more resources. I'm still disgusted by Odin and Alexander. People saw it for a cop-out back then, and it'll still be a cop-out for Atomos.

I don't like to be completely negative if I don't have to be, and I'm sorry if this is rude, but it is frustrating, and this is all pretty much unacceptable.

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Originally Posted by Jerbob

I'm sorry, but we already have enough pointlessly restricted "avatars", we don't need any more atrocities on our spell list. If resources are not available to make an actual avatar, you need more resources. I'm still disgusted by Odin and Alexander. People saw it for a cop-out back then, and it'll still be a cop-out for Atomos.

I don't like to be completely negative if I don't have to be, and I'm sorry if this is rude, but it is frustrating, and this is all pretty much unacceptable.

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I'll be satisfied as long as it offers something meaningful to current content. For some reason I imagine it might be some sort of enfeebling, as that's something that we don't have right now. But if NMs can be immune/highly resistant, what's the point?

My main gripe with these 'special' avatars, is that it's 1 use then over, whereas you could get 3-4 blasts with any other avatar. IMO they would work better if we hit AF, cast them, then have to BP. I'd be fine if the BP itself dismissed the avatar, and it was on say a 10-min timer so it can't be re-cast again during that AF, but AF should stay active, so we can then use another avatar's AF BP.

I hope we can do something like this with Atomos, or will be Dissapointed with the Dev team.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4uDd-7NrxkU

Atomos' ability, what would it do?

seal abilities or spells for enemies within area of effect?

seal everything with the chance similiar to Odins ability <.<

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Originally Posted by Chimerawizard

Atomos' ability, what would it do?

seal abilities or spells for enemies within area of effect?

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Originally Posted by Windwhisper

seal everything with the chance similiar to Odins ability <.<

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Seal, or Steal?

maybe the same, what the cait sith ceithier have

when i remember right, it was aoe stats drain~50-70

reduce enemy's level for a limited time would be useful

That's actually kind of interesting, and it would be a unique buff that other jobs can't do, and that would stack with all other buffs/debuffs as well.

Or a curse, perhaps? Currently the only way to curse a mob is to have the mob hit a BLM wearing Igqira/Genie gear.

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Originally Posted by Babekeke

Or a curse, perhaps? Currently the only way to curse a mob is to have the mob hit a BLM wearing Igqira/Genie gear.

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Well... there is the Disc of Jinxes:

http://ffxi.gamerescape.com/w/images...inx_Discus.jpg

Not that it's super effective... but it's there!

Atomos should inflict amnesia on enemies within area of effect, 100% and unresistable, preventing TP moves for its duration.

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Originally Posted by Camate

Greetings summoners,

The development team has not forgotten about the implementation of Cait Sith and Atomos as new avatars; however, when it comes to job related content they are currently prioritizing adjustments and merit point categories for geomancer and rune fencer, as well as the new special abilities.
(They are prioritizing the new special abilities because they are being added to all jobs.)

With that said however, we are planning to implement Cait Sith and Atomos at the same time.

We mentioned this previously, but Caith Sith will be a type of avatar that will fight alongside you, while Atomos will be a special type of avatar similar to Odin and Alexander.

Once we have some new information to share on the status of these two new avatars we will be sure to let you all know!

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Seriously, please stop!!! Just stop with the teasing because it is extremely insulting. Caith Sith and Atomos were announced back in 2011 <- that's over 2 years ago!!!

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Originally Posted by Babekeke

Or a curse, perhaps? Currently the only way to curse a mob is to have the mob hit a BLM wearing Igqira/Genie gear.

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Nah, unresistable level reduction for a while sounds nicer.

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Originally Posted by Alhanelem

Atomos should inflict amnesia on enemies within area of effect, 100% and unresistable, preventing TP moves for its duration.

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amnesia & silence 100% unresistable. duration same formula as perfect defense.

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Originally Posted by Mirage

Nah, unresistable level reduction for a while sounds nicer.

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Unless this removed stats to that of an equivalent NM of lower level, this wouldn't actually affect anything since LCF was removed for Adoulin.

Or am I wrong?

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Originally Posted by Chimerawizard

amnesia & silence 100% unresistable. duration same formula as perfect defense.

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I don't see this getting much use, given that Perfect Defense already makes players largely resistant to any spell or TP move anyways (with the added benefit of also mostly negating an enemy's auto-attack damage). This would at least need a longer duration on it than PD's.

For my own taste, since Alexander represents ultimate defense and Odin represents ultimate offense, I'd like to see something in between for Atomos. Following with what it does in the WotG mission fight Distorter of Time, Atomos should devour the stats of any enemy in range, then mirror those devoured stats (not just divide between) to all of the Summoner's party members. It should also probably include not just raw stats, but things like Attack, Accuracy, Evasion, etc, as well.

Exact values and durations are up for debate, but if done right I think it would provide a nice balance between the two extremes we currently have. Also, just in case it needs to be said: The stat drains should also be unresistible.

In fact, SE, please keep this in mind - no matter what Atomos does, it should be unresistible. The second every NM start's packing immunities to it, it will be dropped in favor of something more reliable.

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Originally Posted by Mokeil

I don't see this getting much use, given that Perfect Defense already makes players largely resistant to any spell or TP move anyways.

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I disagree with this bit. Yes the enemy will still have auto-attack to work with, but that's one summoner's Astral Flow used for ALL players not needing to worry about abilities or spells for the duration, not just 5+SMN.
Slow, paralyze, elegy, stun, killer effect, etc can almost negate an enemy's rate of auto-attack, if it's not immune.

I agree with the rest, a super powered absorb-all would be cool (combines all absorb spells into it's SP & transfers the stats to party members within AoE, using standard multiple target reduction on both sides of the equation).

If FFXIV-2 ARR takes off, I doubt we'll ever see these avatars at all before SE decides to stop adding content to FFXI anyways.

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Originally Posted by Chimerawizard

Yes the enemy will still have auto-attack to work with, but that's one summoner's Astral Flow used for ALL players not needing to worry about abilities or spells for the duration, not just 5+SMN.

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I had forgotten to think of this in terms of alliance size teams. So not used to doing big group activities on Summoner these days....

If its an absorb spell it better be as annoying to the mob target as Psyche Suction was to players.

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Originally Posted by Babekeke

Unless this removed stats to that of an equivalent NM of lower level, this wouldn't actually affect anything since LCF was removed for Adoulin.

Or am I wrong?

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Oh, I forgot about that. Lol me.

An unresistable AoE amnesia actually sounds like it would fit for Atomos anyway. After all, he was consuming memories and timelines that it deemed unimportant or unfit, didn't it?

Did that level correction removal even affect pets?

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Originally Posted by Archades

Did that level correction removal even affect pets?

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Not directly, as level correction factor never affected Blood Pacts (not sure about their melee attacks). However, to make sure that the NMs were not just like fighting an EM mob, they were given much higher stats to account for no LCF. This stat boost DID affect pets.

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Originally Posted by Producer Akihiko Matsui

Below is an example of the things we have been discussing:
Addition of battle content that can be undertaken by low-man parties or solo (+NPC)
The idea is something like an Adoulin version of Meeble Burrows.
Expansion of synthesis and other non-battle content
Continued adjustments to reives
Addition of solo-content that focuses on exploration instead of battle
Adjustments so that players’ efforts are more naturally tied to colonization
Revamps and enhancements to equipment
RMEC weapons, job specific equipment, etc.

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Nope. No new avatars in the next few updates.

I'd be willing to bet a 100 Byne Bill that we don't get them this year....

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Originally Posted by Babekeke

Nope. No new avatars in the next few updates.

I'd be willing to bet a 100 Byne Bill that we don't get them this year....

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That's optimistic! I'd be surprised if we get them ever.

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Originally Posted by Babekeke

Nope. No new avatars in the next few updates.

I'd be willing to bet a 100 Byne Bill that we don't get them this year....

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That's optimistic! I'd be surprised if we get them ever.

/bump

Any update on the new avatars!? I'll soon be a SMN one day, give me something to look forward to! /teehee XD

I know the last video they did wasn't well received, being practically described as something 'someone with .dat swaps could do', but maybe a video of them showing off Cait Sith and Atomos in action, fighting a mob and doing BPs and such, would help alleviate some tension? XD At least even time frame in regards to what is priority at the moment, if not an actual valuation of time, before they finalize the new avatars would be awesome.

Or just a yes/no to "Will we see them this year?"

Calling it now: Cait Sith will be a PS4 exclusive.(See wat i deed der?)

The sad part is that FF XIV will see some form of Cait Sith before we do. They're offering a Cait Sith Doll minion/vanity pet thing for anyone who pre-orders.

I'm getting tired of waiting, shouldn't we have gotten some news about this now that the major update is done with so we know when we will be getting them? Or is it all about adoulin right now and they just trying to sweep this under the carpet in hopes the we'll forget about it now?