Lower The Minimum Level Required To Enter Abyssea from 30-1

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Originally Posted by Sama

I don't know what's up with you kids; SE already removed the time delay on the FoV, in which, I was able to solo 5~6k xp per hour as BRD. This idea will just create more and more leechies...

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Thats exactly what I said in another post lol

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Originally Posted by pim-ptarutaru

LOL this is so true. did a simple seal run and the blm we had for triggers was just spam nuking/aoe while we were fighting NMs and kept hitting other mobs... was still able to kill nm but took longer then needed... He said he was sorry he got his 1st job to 90 an hour b4 joining our group. Told us that he went 30-90 in abyssea... so I do not support this thread because there are always new players andif all they do is leech... we are all going to be in trouble lol...

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Yes cause leeching was his only problem... Get out of this thread.

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But I really just cannot read past 3 or 4 lines of anything you post when there are no line or paragraph breaks. It's just a huge wall of text and whatever idea you may be trying to convey with it is lost in a giant pile of words. It would immensely help in the communication of your ideas if you were to break your thoughts up into paragraphs and complete sentences when posting.

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I apologize, i will go back and edit it I do understand what your saying..

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and we cannot judge to let the people who can grasp the concept of a job have an advantage over the person who doesn't understand the dynamics of a job..

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it means sarcasm, I was stressing that instead of learning a job just change the game dynamics so that you don't have to learn how to play but you play because you can get from 1 - 99 and don't get the experience and learn from the mistakes you made..

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BLMs don't AoE in exp parties

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your correct your not suppose to do that unless your in a BLM burn party and it works but then again I don't have to explain that to you because you already know from experience how to play BLM.. 2 not just blm im talking about any job that has AoE, if a person gets a new AoE for the first time they are going to want to try it because its new and cool and I would rather they did that at level 30 and MPK the party then at 90 and MPK the party that just spent a full set of pop items or KI either and waste it..

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Your posts are causing my IQ to drop, I have RDM SAM THF NIN levelled and I could pick up BRD in an instant with no support job background and know how to gear it and be excellent at the job in a matter of hours

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your IQ dropped because you chose to read this with a closed mind and not from a unbias perspective, 2 I didn't insult your post I made the comment about a generalization of people that may or may not exist to this degree.. no person actually makes your IQ drop it was just a phrase used, but I have played with people that don't understand a concept of a job and it makes you want to pull your hair out explaining something over and over when they could and should of learned this way before abyssea
you chose to take it as you wanted and reply with an insult
2 you can learn to do this because you have experience with BRDS but like you said it would take a matter of hours to do it then again BRD isn't a great example thats a pretty simple job to play considering the leader tells you what songs they want and its not too hard to sit and play a song.. pull.. play a song.. pull.. extra extra then again if your leeching you won't know anything about the pull concept as a brd but you can sit there and tell me from your experience that your capable of doing it in a matter of a few hours, so hats off to you sir.. stop taking my posts personally Im just trying to give my argument of why vs why not

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Originally Posted by Kuishen

Yes cause leeching was his only problem... Get out of this thread.

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Na I think i'll stay because people like you make me laugh :)

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Originally Posted by GERM

I apologize, i will go back and edit it I do understand what your saying..


it means sarcasm, I was stressing that instead of learning a job just change the game dynamics so that you don't have to learn how to play but you play because you can get from 1 - 99 and don't get the experience and learn from the mistakes you made..

your correct your not suppose to do that unless your in a BLM burn party and it works but then again I don't have to explain that to you because you already know from experience how to play BLM.. 2 not just blm im talking about any job that has AoE, if a person gets a new AoE for the first time they are going to want to try it because its new and cool and I would rather they did that at level 30 and MPK the party then at 90 and MPK the party that just spent a full set of pop items or KI either and waste it..

your IQ dropped because you chose to read this with a closed mind and not from a unbias perspective, 2 I didn't insult your post I made the comment about a generalization of people that may or may not exist you chose to take it as you wanted and reply with an insult
2 you can learn to do this because you have experience with BRDS but like you said it would take a matter of hours to do it then again BRD isn't a great example thats a pretty simple job to play considering the leader tells you what songs they want and its not too hard to sit and play a song.. pull.. play a song.. pull.. extra extra then again if your leeching you won't know anything about the pull concept as a brd but you can sit there and tell me from your experience that your capable of doing it in a matter of a few hours, so hats off to you sir.. stop taking my posts personally Im just trying to give my argument of why vs why not

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I find your name appropriate for this discussion.

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He said he was sorry he got his 1st job to 90 an hour b4 joining our group. Told us that he went 30-90 in abyssea

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what server are you on? I think i played with this guy

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Originally Posted by GERM

what server are you on? I think i played with this guy

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Odin Server ^_^v

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Originally Posted by GERM

it means sarcasm, I was stressing that instead of learning a job just change the game dynamics so that you don't have to learn how to play but you play because you can get from 1 - 99 and don't get the experience and learn from the mistakes you made..

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How you get that out of what you wrote is beyond me, but moving on.

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your correct your not suppose to do that unless your in a BLM burn party and it works but then again I don't have to explain that to you because you already know from experience how to play BLM.. 2 not just blm im talking about any job that has AoE, if a person gets a new AoE for the first time they are going to want to try it because its new and cool and I would rather they did that at level 30 and MPK the party then at 90 and MPK the party that just spent a full set of pop items or KI either and waste it..

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If you're inviting somebody who is JUST getting an AoE to help you with an NM, then you are doing something seriously wrong. BLM gets AoEs at level 30ish, and every AoE ws is got around level 50-60, excluding the new ws which if anybody tries that on an NM then you're playing with stupid people.

Also, does it look like I have BLM leveled?

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your IQ dropped because you chose to read this with a closed mind and not from a unbias perspective, 2 I didn't insult your post I made the comment about a generalization of people that may or may not exist you chose to take it as you wanted and reply with an insult
2 you can learn to do this because you have experience with BRDS but like you said it would take a matter of hours to do it then again BRD isn't a great example thats a pretty simple job to play considering the leader tells you what songs they want and its not too hard to sit and play a song.. pull.. play a song.. pull.. extra extra then again if your leeching you won't know anything about the pull concept as a brd but you can sit there and tell me from your experience that your capable of doing it in a matter of a few hours, so hats off to you sir.. stop taking my posts personally Im just trying to give my argument of why vs why not

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So basically, your entire argument is if a player has been living under a rock and not played with any other jobs and gotten to 90 he won't know how to play his job if he leeched? Well I'm not going to argue that because you might be correct. Problem is that just doesn't happen.

All of your arguments hinge on you playing with stupid people in general, not with people that leech. Leeching does not cause stupidity, it was already there, it may just give them opportunity to use it sooner.

EDIT: Meaning that no matter how they get to 90, they're still going to be stupid unless they decide to actually look up how to play their job.

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Originally Posted by Kuishen

Meaning that no matter how they get to 90, they're still going to be stupid unless they decide to actually look up how to play their job.

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Doesn't matter if you leach or not this is the only thing that matters.

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Originally Posted by TearValerin

This idea is slightly, if not totally ridiculous. To even relish the thought is ludicrous. Abyssea is currently fine as is, it does not need any level changes, and if it did, the cap should go up, not down.

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If there is no logical reason for the entry requirement to go down there probably is no logical reason for it to go up too.

yeah SE go for it! please give us more noobs! it's already so lovely to see so many mnk nin thf dnc blu dressed in pink being so proud to Hundred Miss.

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Originally Posted by vajral

yeah SE go for it! please give us more noobs! it's already so lovely to see so many mnk nin thf dnc blu dressed in pink being so proud to Hundred Miss.

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Way to come in and post something without reading anything on the last page. Reporting this as spam.

Lvl 30 to enter Abyssea is to low and is causing leech overload. Just saying...

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Originally Posted by vajral

yeah SE go for it! please give us more noobs! it's already so lovely to see so many mnk nin thf dnc blu dressed in pink being so proud to Hundred Miss.

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what? how does the level cap in abyssea control how someone gears themselves.

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Originally Posted by Boldheart

Lvl 30 to enter Abyssea is to low and is causing leech overload. Just saying...

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Way to make a statement without having any logical backing whatsoever. I think you want the other thread, this one is for logical discussion. At least in that one you can scream your opinion as loud as you want and nobody will care.

Well, this:

http://images1.memegenerator.net/Ima...=Philosoraptor

And then this:

http://www.bluegartr.com/threads/103...ums-BG-Edition

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Originally Posted by Kuishen

Way to make a statement without having any logical backing whatsoever. I think you want the other thread, this one is for logical discussion. At least in that one you can scream your opinion as loud as you want and nobody will care.

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LOL i dont have to waste my time w/ 2 paragraphs on explaining to u lol what I mean. It was direct and to the point, that is all I have to say about it anymore. This game wasnt meant for Leeching. Really the only way I see Leeching is alright are key master's that open chests. People that pay gil for Leaders beneficial gains to leech and to no one else's in the Alliance is totally wrong.

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Originally Posted by Boldheart

LOL i dont have to waste my time w/ 2 paragraphs on explaining to u lol what I mean. It was direct and to the point, that is all I have to say about it anymore. This game wasnt meant for Leeching.

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If this game "wasnt meant for Leeching", explain why SE allows lvl 30 players in abyssea.

This thread still going lol mpk the leecher down with leechers >.>

you need to leech your cor to 90

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Originally Posted by Gunit

you need to leech your cor to 90

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LOL I wouldnt leech, I would help w/ buffs and doing 1k+ damage ws and meleeing or Raing. That's not a leech.

i abyssea burned my COR where can i go to skill up phantom roll

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Originally Posted by Boldheart

LOL I wouldnt leech, I would help w/ buffs and doing 1k+ damage ws and meleeing or Raing. That's not a leech.

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Ironically, a COR buffing below the level of his party members is useless and wasting a party slot.

COR Roll Potency = (COR level / Player Receiving Buff level) %.

A level 60 COR buffing a level 90 DD has *all* of his rolls throttled to 2/3 potency =/

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Originally Posted by Boldheart

LOL I wouldnt leech, I would help w/ buffs and doing 1k+ damage ws and meleeing or Raing. That's not a leech.

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cor only does 1,000 DMG WS?

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Originally Posted by Gunit

cor only does 1,000 DMG WS?

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All I saw either, he just made his entire argument even more invalid than it was.

Not breaking 1k is leaching if you ask me lol.

Also what is Raing?

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Originally Posted by Gunit

Not breaking 1k is leaching if you ask me lol.

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2k at least.

i cant believe you people are that geedy lol. i think they should move the cap to 75. tired of see all these gimp people who cant even solo nm. they made game too weak with 90 and leeching jobs to 90 now.

I've met plenty of players while I was leveling pre-Abyssea who were able to reach level 75 through the more traditional experience points party but were dumb as hell:

Thiefs who had no idea how SATA/Assasin Worked
White mages who didn't understand the relationship between Cure/Emnity
Black Mages who spammed Level 50 Ancient Magic over Tier III or Tier IV
Thiefs who stacked CHR gear and refused to use Haste or gear-changing macros
Monks that argue that Twilight Belt is better than a Black Belt


I once had a career monk who was leading my Sky linkshell tell me to use Shiva's Claws on a mob that was weak to piercing damage. (Seriously...)


The list goes on and on...


The fact is: these people will always be bad players regardless of whether they leveled their jobs in a traditional experience points party or they leeched their way from 1-90 in Abbysea. It's because they just don't care enough about the game to actually research their jobs, ask meaningful questions, and try and learn how to play their jobs and how this game works in general.

I absolutely ADORE this phantom correlation between raising the level cap to 70 for Abyssea and making bad players better. I think that is the most inane logic I have ever read on a forum. Judging by the piss-poor quality of this forum in general however, it seems like a tenuous grasp on logic and the writing skills of an oragutan are the status quo.

Time is a valuable and irreplacable commodity for any person. Lowering the level cap to level 1 for Abyssea also lowers the amount of time I spend leveling a job and in turn gives me more time for more abmitious activities both in the game and in real life.

If I am so worried that I won't be able to play a job correctly, I will research the job on websites like Wiki. I'll ask questions from friends in-game. I'll read Blue Gartr and even post a question or two in their Random Question thread and feel special because I have gotten quality feedback from people who understand this game much better than I do.

Tl;dr: Level 1 or GTFO

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Originally Posted by katori

i cant believe you people are that geedy lol. i think they should move the cap to 75. tired of see all these gimp people who cant even solo nm. they made game too weak with 90 and leeching jobs to 90 now.

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Was totally just beaten into ripping you a new one, please read Lynchilles post thoroughly. There is no correlation to abyssea leeching and bad players, they were always there, they always will be and just because YOU failed to notice them before now doesn't mean anything.

Can someone explain to me how leaching created bad players?
All theses pieces of shit players were around before abyssea and now they post here saying leaching is making them gimp.

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Originally Posted by Gunit

Can someone explain to me how leaching created bad players?
All theses pieces of shit players were around before abyssea and now they post here saying leaching is making them gimp.

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Obviously it's because if you don't spend WEEKS AND WEEKS OF EXPING YOU CAN'T LEARN YOUR JOB!@!U@!!!!!!

At least that's the only reason I've seen so far, which is stupid.

For you Anti-Leechers: For the 50th time. EXPing FASTER does not make you a bad player, lack of understanding of the game and lack of research makes you a bad player. There is no correlation.

Really dont care about uncap can't stick a enfeeble spell etc etc. My beef is when I see people purposely go afk not providing any contribution to the alliance or don't no how to perform there job correctly. I keep an eye out for afk'er and /tell leader about them so they can be kicked and can be reinvited depending on circumstances....

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Originally Posted by Odintius

Really dont care about uncap can't stick a enfeeble spell etc etc. My beef is when I see people purposely go afk not providing any contribution to the alliance or don't no how to perform there job correctly. I keep an eye out for afk'er and /tell leader about them so they can be kicked and can be reinvited depending on circumstances....

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As long as you're not blaming leeching on the bolded part and going around saying the cap should be raised based on that false logic, I have no problem with anything you just said.

ive just gotta chime in. if you played the game for the, 7 or so years it was out BEFORE abyssea, you would've noticed that yes, this game was not for the common leech. since xp parties used to consist of 6 players, every one of them doing a vital part of the whole. if your bard was lazy with their spells, xp slowed down. if your whm was cure-bombing and needed to rest a lot, xp slowed down. of your ninja couldnt fold shadows, xp slowed down. so it made players want to operate at maximum efficiency to keep the best xp. and if you couldnt hack it, you got the boot.
now with abyssea, i see 3-4 naked people just standing there, doing absolutely nothing, usually the leaders of the party. im all in favor of raising the cap to 75, since you really cant contribute until then anyway. and to everyone that says that they hate "the grind" to 30, well suck it up buttercup, we used to do this thing called an xp party for those levels. should try it out sometime, you get to skill up while you get xp! 2 birds= 1 stone
and its saving time! you can do 2 things at once!

If your a thief I say it's you duty to swap hate on afk'er/30 >.>

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Originally Posted by DrDelicious

ive just gotta chime in. if you played the game for the, 7 or so years it was out BEFORE abyssea, you would've noticed that yes, this game was not for the common leech. since xp parties used to consist of 6 players, every one of them doing a vital part of the whole. if your bard was lazy with their spells, xp slowed down. if your whm was cure-bombing and needed to rest a lot, xp slowed down. of your ninja couldnt fold shadows, xp slowed down. so it made players want to operate at maximum efficiency to keep the best xp. and if you couldnt hack it, you got the boot.
now with abyssea, i see 3-4 naked people just standing there, doing absolutely nothing, usually the leaders of the party. im all in favor of raising the cap to 75, since you really cant contribute until then anyway. and to everyone that says that they hate "the grind" to 30, well suck it up buttercup, we used to do this thing called an xp party for those levels. should try it out sometime, you get to skill up while you get xp! 2 birds= 1 stone
and its saving time! you can do 2 things at once!

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How the fuck is it saving time?
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Originally Posted by DrDelicious

ive just gotta chime in. if you played the game for the, 7 or so years it was out BEFORE abyssea, you would've noticed that yes, this game was not for the common leech. since xp parties used to consist of 6 players, every one of them doing a vital part of the whole. if your bard was lazy with their spells, xp slowed down. if your whm was cure-bombing and needed to rest a lot, xp slowed down. of your ninja couldnt fold shadows, xp slowed down. so it made players want to operate at maximum efficiency to keep the best xp. and if you couldnt hack it, you got the boot.
now with abyssea, i see 3-4 naked people just standing there, doing absolutely nothing, usually the leaders of the party. im all in favor of raising the cap to 75, since you really cant contribute until then anyway. and to everyone that says that they hate "the grind" to 30, well suck it up buttercup, we used to do this thing called an xp party for those levels. should try it out sometime, you get to skill up while you get xp! 2 birds= 1 stone
and its saving time! you can do 2 things at once!

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Flagging this as spam because it's off topic.

I think they're falsely assuming that the combination of Skilling up and Leeching separately takes more time than EXP'ing in the overworld. It doesn't.