Nerfing Ukko/Vsmite so lazy players can be more useful?

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Originally Posted by Brolic

cor and rngs hardly need a fixing.

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I agree on the cor part, but disagree on the rng part. While yes RNG can do nice and good dmg, it could use a chunk on the damage department, while ALSO giving it a boost in the defense department with some abilitys (look at manawall for example). The only true glasscannon we have in FFXI atm is RNG. 1 Defensive move aint gonna hurt that job...

As a result of trends on the test server as well as development and QA testing, we will be re-adjusting the critical hit rate from TP.

• Ukko’s Fury
  <table width="400" border="0" cellpadding="4" cellspacing="1" class="ta01"><tr valign="middle" align="center" class="th01"><td width="55%" align="center" class="th01" bgcolor="#a8d0d7"></td><td width="15%" align="center" class="th01" bgcolor="#a8d0d7">TP100</td><td width="15%" align="center" class="th01" bgcolor="#a8d0d7">TP200</td><td width="15%" align="center" class="th01" bgcolor="#a8d0d7">TP300</td></tr><tr valign="middle" class="td01"><td bgcolor="#c6e9ef">Pre-adjustment rate</td><td align="center" bgcolor="#eaf2f3">30%</td><td align="center" bgcolor="#eaf2f3">50%</td><td align="center" bgcolor="#eaf2f3">80%</td></tr><tr valign="middle" class="td01"><td bgcolor="#c6e9ef">Current rate on test server</td><td align="center" bgcolor="#f5fafb">15%</td><td align="center" bgcolor="#f5fafb">25%</td><td align="center" bgcolor="#f5fafb">40%</td></tr><tr valign="middle" class="td01"><td bgcolor="#c6e9ef">Re-adjusted rate</td><td align="center" bgcolor="#eaf2f3">20%</td><td align="center" bgcolor="#eaf2f3">35%</td><td align="center" bgcolor="#eaf2f3">55%</td></tr></table>※In exchange for slightly raising the critical hit rate with the re-adjustment, the two adjustments that were planned to take place along with this to enhance the effects of Double Attack and Critical Hit Bonus will both be put off for the time (Edited: 1/10/2012)

• Victory Smite
  <table width="400" border="0" cellpadding="4" cellspacing="1" class="ta01"><tr valign="middle" align="center" class="th01"><td width="55%" align="center" class="th01" bgcolor="#a8d0d7"></td><td width="15%" align="center" class="th01" bgcolor="#a8d0d7">TP100</td><td width="15%" align="center" class="th01" bgcolor="#a8d0d7">TP200</td><td width="15%" align="center" class="th01" bgcolor="#a8d0d7">TP300</td></tr><tr valign="middle" class="td01"><td bgcolor="#c6e9ef">Pre-adjustment rate</td><td align="center" bgcolor="#eaf2f3">15%</td><td align="center" bgcolor="#eaf2f3">30%</td><td align="center" bgcolor="#eaf2f3">60%</td></tr><tr valign="middle" class="td01"><td bgcolor="#c6e9ef">Current rate on test server</td><td align="center" bgcolor="#f5fafb">10%</td><td align="center" bgcolor="#f5fafb">20%</td><td align="center" bgcolor="#f5fafb">35%</td></tr><tr valign="middle" class="td01"><td bgcolor="#c6e9ef">Re-adjusted rate</td><td align="center" bgcolor="#eaf2f3">10%</td><td align="center" bgcolor="#eaf2f3">25%</td><td align="center" bgcolor="#eaf2f3">45%</td></tr></table>

We plan on implementing these changes to the test server at the end of next week. Please continue to let us know your feedback.

I just read the JP Forum section which states:

Ukko's Fury new numbers

100=20% 200 = 35% 300 = 55%

Victory Smite new numbers

100 = 10% 200 = 25% 300 = 45%

This is really dumb.

Again why nerf it to begin with?

Why belittle Victory Smite and leave that at 10% while raising Ukko's Fury to 20% at 100% TP?

What is the thought process behind that?

It doesn't seem like there is any. It seems like you're just appeasing the bigger crowd because they're mouthing and crying that they'll quit.

Where's the SQ Dev Spine at? It doesn't seem like any of them have any.

The fun part is, whenever Blood Rage is used guess what? They have that 85% Critical Hit Rate at 300% TP. Meaning, -WHAT CHANGED?-

Through gear that's still 100% Critical Hit Rate in Voidwatch, Abyssea, Any and every event.

What balance have you fixed? All the DEV team has managed to do is Humiliate their idea on balance. They've become a parody. Tanaka mainly.

You went from putting Warrior on that Balance scale you wanted. To basically leaving it where it was, the only thing you're nerfing at this point is Blood Rage, which hurts the people who around the Warrior more so than the Warrior itself.

Then the parody continues.

Dev Team: Let's leave MNK at 10%.

Why? If anything, more than Warrior they deserve to be at that 15% from the get go.

What "feed back" is expected from the community? The Warrior community just got their bone back, they're now satisfied because the Dev Team has managed to turn from an actually balanced idea to a pointless, waste of time. Yet Again.

That's right. A pointless waste of time.

I don't know what's more aggravating. This sea saw game the DEVS are playing, or their lack of direct vision to the end result which they want. It seems like we're paying a pair of Silicon Valley Tech Students to make a game using RPG maker. It doesn't seem like this division can offer anything else at this point.

To the Dev Team, and please forward this question(s).

1: Do you have an end goal you are trying to reach with Final Fantasy 11?

2: What does the DEV team have to offer the community of 11 players, to continue interest in the game besides pointless nerfs, and revamping of old areas?

Back to Ukko's Fury and V. Smite.

The adjustments you have made to Ukko's Fury are worthless. The only thing you're doing to Victory Smite, is making it weaker so people can think that the NEW worthless WS has some room of glory outside of PUP.

The truth is you've gone ahead and hurt Victory Smite for no reason.

I hope that the Dev team has something big in store for us. This is all just a joke at this point. Maybe they'll drag it out till April then say that it was what they considered an Early April fool's joke.

tl;dr?

I am disappointed in the DEV teams ability to propose new and and refreshing ideas, towards a positive goal. I am disappointed in their lack of consistency, lack of spine regarding decisions. I am tired of their single job targeting adjustments, nerfs, and buffs. I am tired of their ball passing on projects like Final Fantasy 11.

I really wish someone was hired with enough insight, foresight and dedication to propose genuinely well thought plans and ideas.

Go ahead, I challenge you to let your DEV team read this post, I challenge Mr. Tanaka to read it, I challenge any self-respecting leader of Final Fantasy 11 to give a straight answer or whatever answer they can come up with.

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Originally Posted by Amador

I just read the JP Forum section which states:


This is really dumb.

Again why nerf it to begin with?

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Originally Posted by Anewie

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Is that really the best gif you could come up with? Go Google some images or something. Try to keep your trolling entertaining at least.

The Ukko's adjustments are a bit more reasonable now. Victory Smite however, is not. I don't see why it needed to be adjusted at all, but the minimum should still be 15%, or at least 12.5%.

And why do we have to give up something else just to get a nerf be less of a nerf?

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Originally Posted by Alhanelem

The Ukko's adjustments are a bit more reasonable now. Victory Smite however, is not. I don't see why it needed to be adjusted at all, but the minimum should still be 15%, or at least 12.5%.

And why do we have to give up something else just to get a nerf be less of a nerf?

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God, everytime you post. Non-sense. WHY 12.5%? What even makes that number process in your head?

That you would even say that the Ukko's Fury adjustment is "More reasonable" is just so annoying. I'm with you on V.Smite, that makes sense at 15%.

Ah man, Al. You make me laugh like no other galka man. Sport that pup hat. Wear it proud.

Smite:
honestly smite seems fine with its initial value(at least at 100%) not sure why all this work over making it weaker when it is not that outrageously powerful to begin with. With the "re-adjusted" values i am vastly disappointed.

Ukon's/war:
the revised distribution on Ukon's seems ok(since the dev NEED this nerf for some reason) however i see no reason why that would affect the other adjustments planned

The 10% Victory Smite is because Impetus adds 1% crit hit rate per hit. Plus if you have Tantra Cyclas +2 you also gain 1% crit hit dmg.

A 5% drop is worthless on 100% TP. IF anything look at the 300% TP Values.

80% Crit Rate, 65% Crit Rate. Those value's were the only ones who actually needed the adjustment.

As far as Ukon goes, the FIRST nerf Adjustments made it perfectly fine, this 2nd set makes it pointless to even nerf it at all.

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Originally Posted by Amador

A 5% drop is worthless on 100% TP. IF anything look at the 300% TP Values.

80% Crit Rate, 65% Crit Rate. Those value's were the only ones who actually needed the adjustment.

As far as Ukon goes, the FIRST nerf Adjustments made it perfectly fine, this 2nd set makes it pointless to even nerf it at all.

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The 300% tp is now 55%, not 65%, down from the original 80%. Seems ok. It needed a nerf hope this is a middle ground for people.

Ukko's - Looks much more reasonable now.

V. Smite - Shouldn't be nerfed at all.

Blood Rage - Why isn't this being discussed? If WARs don't get crit damage bonus 3 anymore then keeping the damage boost on BR should be fine. I didn't understand this nerf in the first place since it's AoE and helps everyone. Nerfing it for the sake of not overpowering WAR when it boosts everyone in their party doesn't make much sense.

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Originally Posted by Insaniac

Ukko's - Looks much more reasonable now.

V. Smite - Shouldn't be nerfed at all.

Blood Rage - Why isn't this being discussed? If WARs don't get crit damage bonus 3 anymore then keeping the damage boost on BR should be fine. I didn't understand this nerf in the first place since it's AoE and helps everyone. Nerfing it for the sake of not overpowering WAR when it boosts everyone in their party doesn't make much sense.

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All I can guess is that they figured there were too many wars, and thus it was always up? Dunno, it's lame though.

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Originally Posted by Siiri

The 300% tp is now 55%, not 65%, down from the original 80%. Seems ok. It needed a nerf hope this is a middle ground for people.

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Re-read.

300% Ukko's used to be 80% Critical Hit Rate, and Smite 65%

That's what I meant that those are the main reasons I see for the nerf. Aside of Ukko's Fury being 30% at 100% and V. Smite being 20% @ 100%.

I feel that the value's for both @ 100% should be 15%.

I feel that the value for 300% should not go over 40%.

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Originally Posted by Amador

God, everytime you post. Non-sense. WHY 12.5%? What even makes that number process in your head?

That you would even say that the Ukko's Fury adjustment is "More reasonable" is just so annoying. I'm with you on V.Smite, that makes sense at 15%.

Ah man, Al. You make me laugh like no other galka man. Sport that pup hat. Wear it proud.

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Is your only purpose on this forum to attack me? WHY 12.5%? I don't know, maybe because it would be a comprimise between SE's proposed value and the current value? Why does that make no sense to you at all?

The inflammatory nature of your posting tells me that you're just being an arse because you can.

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Originally Posted by Amador

Re-read.

300% Ukko's used to be 80% Critical Hit Rate, and Smite 65%

That's what I meant that those are the main reasons I see for the nerf. Aside of Ukko's Fury being 30% at 100% and V. Smite being 20% @ 100%.

I feel that the value's for both @ 100% should be 15%.

I feel that the value for 300% should not go over 40%.

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Ah, ok, get it now. Yeah, 80% at 300 tp was sick, who thought that was ever fair.

I don't understand why people care so much about this nerf. War serves a single purpose: to deal damage, which can be accomplished by any number of other jobs. Get off the bandwagon and play a different job for once. Same can be said for mnk.

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Originally Posted by Helel

I don't understand why people care so much about this nerf. War serves a single purpose: to deal damage, which can be accomplished by any number of other jobs. Get off the bandwagon and play a different job for once. Same can be said for mnk.

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Most people would rather see other jobs strengthened more than WAR made worse. MNK is really fine where it is, or at least, Victory Smite isn't the real reason MNK is good.

Also, basing job related adjustments on a special weapon skill only available with a certain weapon is silly. What about all the other weapons WAR might need to use? Should they be denied the originally planned crit rate boost just to trade off for a weapon-specific WS not getting nerfed as hard?

And those people don't see why that's an enormous undertaking as well as how it would be the incorrect decision on SE's part.

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Originally Posted by Camate

As a result of trends on the test server as well as development and QA testing, we will be re-adjusting the critical hit rate from TP.

• Ukko’s Fury
  <table width="400" border="0" cellpadding="4" cellspacing="1" class="ta01"><tr valign="middle" align="center" class="th01"><td width="55%" align="center" class="th01" bgcolor="#a8d0d7"></td><td width="15%" align="center" class="th01" bgcolor="#a8d0d7">TP100</td><td width="15%" align="center" class="th01" bgcolor="#a8d0d7">TP200</td><td width="15%" align="center" class="th01" bgcolor="#a8d0d7">TP300</td></tr><tr valign="middle" class="td01"><td bgcolor="#c6e9ef">Pre-adjustment rate</td><td align="center" bgcolor="#eaf2f3">30%</td><td align="center" bgcolor="#eaf2f3">50%</td><td align="center" bgcolor="#eaf2f3">80%</td></tr><tr valign="middle" class="td01"><td bgcolor="#c6e9ef">Current rate on test server</td><td align="center" bgcolor="#f5fafb">15%</td><td align="center" bgcolor="#f5fafb">25%</td><td align="center" bgcolor="#f5fafb">40%</td></tr><tr valign="middle" class="td01"><td bgcolor="#c6e9ef">Re-adjusted rate</td><td align="center" bgcolor="#eaf2f3">20%</td><td align="center" bgcolor="#eaf2f3">35%</td><td align="center" bgcolor="#eaf2f3">55%</td></tr></table>※In exchange for slightly raising the critical hit rate with the re-adjustment, of the two adjustments that were planned to take place along with this to enhance the effects of Double Attack and Critical Hit Bonus, we will now only be adjusting Double Attack.

• Victory Smite
  <table width="400" border="0" cellpadding="4" cellspacing="1" class="ta01"><tr valign="middle" align="center" class="th01"><td width="55%" align="center" class="th01" bgcolor="#a8d0d7"></td><td width="15%" align="center" class="th01" bgcolor="#a8d0d7">TP100</td><td width="15%" align="center" class="th01" bgcolor="#a8d0d7">TP200</td><td width="15%" align="center" class="th01" bgcolor="#a8d0d7">TP300</td></tr><tr valign="middle" class="td01"><td bgcolor="#c6e9ef">Pre-adjustment rate</td><td align="center" bgcolor="#eaf2f3">15%</td><td align="center" bgcolor="#eaf2f3">30%</td><td align="center" bgcolor="#eaf2f3">60%</td></tr><tr valign="middle" class="td01"><td bgcolor="#c6e9ef">Current rate on test server</td><td align="center" bgcolor="#f5fafb">10%</td><td align="center" bgcolor="#f5fafb">20%</td><td align="center" bgcolor="#f5fafb">35%</td></tr><tr valign="middle" class="td01"><td bgcolor="#c6e9ef">Re-adjusted rate</td><td align="center" bgcolor="#eaf2f3">10%</td><td align="center" bgcolor="#eaf2f3">25%</td><td align="center" bgcolor="#eaf2f3">45%</td></tr></table>

We plan on implementing these changes to the test server at the end of next week. Please continue to let us know your feedback.

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This doesn't really help much. I don't really sit and hold onto TP much. Most of the other crit ws have a base rate of 15%, why lower the 100tp rate for mnk?

I'd rather have put it back to 15% and keep the original nerf on 200 and 300% tp.

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Originally Posted by Tetsujin

I'm sure insulting the translators/moderators is a surefire way of getting them to see things your way and pass word along to the devs.

At least show a fraction of respect, it hurts to see that kind of attitude.

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/bow to this.

No KF, I'm not singling you out, you just used a buzz word.

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Originally Posted by kingfury

[*]Don't bring Damage Dealing jobs (WAR, MNK) that excel at producing high damage backwards

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Aside from blood rage(Which I don't understand because the point of war is to crit.)the nerf you're all talking about is a WS nerf, not a job nerf. They were never meant to produce the damge they do in the first place. In actuality this is a fix, not a nerf and to be honest, it's needed. SE's actions here are the correct responce to the issue. People are lacking propor forthought into the problem at hand. Increasing other jobs to match is absolutely not the correct responce. Again I reinterate, this has nothing to do with jobs, and everything to do with a WS. You need to stop treating it like a job issue or job nerf. Upping everyone else will "nerf" the game. You'll just end up turning everything into munchkin(Look it up yourself.) and the whole game will become pointless and boring. And when you up everything like that, people are just going to want everything to keep increasing. There'll be no end to it.

Blood Rage didn't have to be nerfed, Crit Attack Bonus II could have still been put into effect. Ukko's Fury was the only thing that needed adjustment.

MNK/PUP needed no nerf, Victory Smite was fine at its original crit distribution.

People complaining about the wrong things. :c

yeah breaking the job to fix the weapon skill is a little weird

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Originally Posted by Helel

Get off the bandwagon and play a different job for once. Same can be said for mnk.

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Not that this is really relevant, but not every WAR and MNK is bandwagon... half of the monks that are bandwagon are utter trash anyway and are using Asuran Fists with Furor Cesti.

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Originally Posted by Alhanelem

Also, basing job related adjustments on a special weapon skill only available with a certain weapon is silly. What about all the other weapons WAR might need to use? Should they be denied the originally planned crit rate boost just to trade off for a weapon-specific WS not getting nerfed as hard?

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This, 100%... I don't even know why they're going after Blood Rage... sure it's a sick bonus, but it at least benefits other jobs... it isn't exclusive to Ukko's Fury... and it's only 30 seconds every 5 minutes. If you really need to target Ukko's Fury, limit the amount of critical hit bonus it can gain from outside buffs.

Not every job needs to be a top DD or a incredible healer.... every job just needs a use.

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Originally Posted by Tsukino_Kaji

No KF, I'm not singling you out, you just used a buzz word.Aside from blood rage(Which I don't understand because the point of war is to crit.)the nerf you're all talking about is a WS nerf, not a job nerf. They were never meant to produce the damge they do in the first place. In actuality this is a fix, not a nerf and to be honest, it's needed. SE's actions here are the correct responce to the issue. People are lacking propor forthought into the problem at hand. Increasing other jobs to match is absolutely not the correct responce. Again I reinterate, this has nothing to do with jobs, and everything to do with a WS. You need to stop treating it like a job issue or job nerf. Upping everyone else will "nerf" the game. You'll just end up turning everything into munchkin(Look it up yourself.) and the whole game will become pointless and boring. And when you up everything like that, people are just going to want everything to keep increasing. There'll be no end to it.

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No worries on the response to what I posted of course, we're all discussing our opinions here.

I understand what you're saying, and I agree that the "correction" of the weapon skill may or may not help the overall system of things. Only time will tell. However, when the Devs said their goals based on this "correction" is to "Establish balance between warrior and other jobs (make it easier to balance)", that's where my views and suggestions are aiming.

I do believe that allowing players the "opportunity"(in quotes because it should be something a player should have to strive to accomplish with skill and technique along with gear and planning) to become powerhouses is inevitable in MMORPGs, and it's very much the job of the Devs to continue to meet that reality by constantly creating new and more challenging content over time to keep those players happy. The only time the horrid "munchkin" effect should come into play is when a veteran player encounters OLDER/WEAKER content. No one should ever blame players of a 10yr old game for wanting to be much more powerful than they've been in the past.

Many jobs have been sending their concerns for more strength for their jobs for years(DRK,DRG,RDM,RNG,etc.), so this topic at hand is indeed still a major conversation concerning the balancing of "damage output performance" on every job and the proper methods of achieving that balance. My post is just a stab at a possible solution for improving weapon skill damage at the very least on all jobs by creating creative and unique job specific opportunities to do so.

i used to love war + monk until they all became an empyrean fad job .....

i barely play any of them anymore :( used to love them but honestly they did get over powered with empyrean ws's in comparison to other job ws's hence the huge fad and rage because everyone is one now lol

i don't feel sorry for any of the bandwagon riders sorry kind if makes me chuckle to see them all /cry

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Originally Posted by Cream_Soda

This doesn't really help much. I don't really sit and hold onto TP much. Most of the other crit ws have a base rate of 15%, why lower the 100tp rate for mnk?

I'd rather have put it back to 15% and keep the original nerf on 200 and 300% tp.

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Indeed. 15%/25%/35% would have been fine; maybe 15%/25%/40% if you want to be generous with the 200-300 TP range. Mnks certainly won't throw as much of a fit over things as all the wars have, but I don't see a terribly strong reason to make that adjustment at the 100 TP level when it seems (at a guess, since full reasoning has never really been given) most of the problems were at 300 TP due to the abundant availability of TP wings in Voidwatch.

Let's hope you boost bravura and spharai further then se putting ukkos back and nerfing war itself is another blow against bravura.

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Originally Posted by Amador

A 5% drop is worthless on 100% TP. IF anything look at the 300% TP Values.

80% Crit Rate, 65% Crit Rate. Those value's were the only ones who actually needed the adjustment.

As far as Ukon goes, the FIRST nerf Adjustments made it perfectly fine, this 2nd set makes it pointless to even nerf it at all.

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Seeing that they actually increase the value's base on players response. I'd have to say your wrong.

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Originally Posted by Insaniac

Ukko's - Looks much more reasonable now.

V. Smite - Shouldn't be nerfed at all.

Blood Rage - Why isn't this being discussed? If WARs don't get crit damage bonus 3 anymore then keeping the damage boost on BR should be fine. I didn't understand this nerf in the first place since it's AoE and helps everyone. Nerfing it for the sake of not overpowering WAR when it boosts everyone in their party doesn't make much sense.

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Yeah I noticed this too. I'd rather take a % drop than lose it all together. With the player base asking for improvements across the board with damage, it kind of makes you wonder why they'd nerf a way to help other player out with their damage output.

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Originally Posted by Tsukino_Kaji

No KF, I'm not singling you out, you just used a buzz word.Aside from blood rage(Which I don't understand because the point of war is to crit.)the nerf you're all talking about is a WS nerf, not a job nerf. They were never meant to produce the damge they do in the first place. In actuality this is a fix, not a nerf and to be honest, it's needed. SE's actions here are the correct responce to the issue. People are lacking propor forthought into the problem at hand. Increasing other jobs to match is absolutely not the correct responce. Again I reinterate, this has nothing to do with jobs, and everything to do with a WS. You need to stop treating it like a job issue or job nerf. Upping everyone else will "nerf" the game. You'll just end up turning everything into munchkin(Look it up yourself.) and the whole game will become pointless and boring. And when you up everything like that, people are just going to want everything to keep increasing. There'll be no end to it.

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Not to single you out but i've heard this said a few times before. Does any one really believe that this kind of thing wasn't tested out before they added it to the game. I know the test servers weren't running yet when Ukon/ukko's/Blood rage was introduced. But some one had to have tested this thing and said "It looks fair too me/us."

So, one of my posts got deleted today.


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lol all these mnk, pup and war crybabies on here...its poetic justice most of you guys was teasing us drks when we expressed are complaints when SE nerfed us into oblivion calling us emo...this is what you get, you guys told us drk is fine and too stop crying now I'm saying war, mnk and pup is fine STOP Crying!!!!

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Originally Posted by Cljader1

lol all these mnk, pup and war crybabies on here...its poetic justice most of you guys was teasing us drks when we expressed are complaints when SE nerfed us into oblivion calling us emo...this is what you get, you guys told us drk is fine and too stop crying now I'm saying war, mnk and pup is fine STOP Crying!!!!

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Funniest part about this is that you're still under us, even after the nerf :)

No need to be salty bro

any drk worth his salt as a player already lvl'd war or sam and did an empy or has the new gkatana ws. I don't see the point of this.

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Originally Posted by Cljader1

lol all these mnk, pup and war crybabies on here...its poetic justice most of you guys was teasing us drks when we expressed are complaints when SE nerfed us into oblivion calling us emo...this is what you get, you guys told us drk is fine and too stop crying now I'm saying war, mnk and pup is fine STOP Crying!!!!

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Your coming off as some one who just came threw the door at a party and only has half an idea of whats been going on. Instead of trolling, why don't you add something constructive. Instead of lower yourself to troll level. Is nerfing UF/VS/BR going to help DRK be a better DD, no. Support improvement's, not nerf's.

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Originally Posted by tyrantsyn

Your coming off as some one who just came threw the door at a party and only has half an idea of whats been going on. Instead of trolling, why don't you add something constructive. Instead of lower yourself to troll level. Is nerfing UF/VS/BR going to help DRK be a better DD, no. Support improvement's, not nerf's.

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Uh how am I trolling by stating the first adjustment was fair and adequate?

You want to ride a band wagon train on something over powered. Go for it, don't sit there and try to defend something they're adjusting over and over.

This new adjustment isn't because they feel it's "Fair" if they felt it was "Fair" they'd of given you Critical Attack Bonus III along with it. Guess what? They feel it's too much, so no Critical Attack Bonus III.

You want to preach about how they should just beef all other jobs. So what if they do? What other job has a WS that can achieve a Critical Hit Rate of 100% outside of Abyssea?

Yeah right, thought so.

The balancing numbers the first time around were a good change. V. Smite got the short end of the stick. Ukko's is left with a negligible drop in performance at this rate.

Now we're moving this to belittling DRK? DRK is a good job that can put out decent numbers in VW, and has a lot of utility. Bashing it against a job that has 100% Critical Hit Rate WS is a pointless so-called trump over it.

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Originally Posted by Cljader1

lol all these mnk, pup and war crybabies on here...its poetic justice most of you guys was teasing us drks when we expressed are complaints when SE nerfed us into oblivion calling us emo...this is what you get, you guys told us drk is fine and too stop crying now I'm saying war, mnk and pup is fine STOP Crying!!!!

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Originally Posted by Camate

As a result of trends on the test server as well as development and QA testing, we will be re-adjusting the critical hit rate from TP.
In exchange for slightly raising the critical hit rate with the re-adjustment, of the two adjustments that were planned to take place along with this to enhance the effects of Double Attack and Critical Hit Bonus, we will now only be adjusting Double Attack.
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So in other words because of some Ukkon-Dickheads that couldnt deal with the nerf, my Bravura has to suffer because you dont add the next tier of crit hit dmg+. Great... Can we go back to nerfing ukyo's fury pls in this case

How does bravura suffer when it has M torment and Upheaval? Difference between crit 2 and 3 is fairly minimal. Not getting Crit Attack III would hurt Ukon more since they stick to a crit WS...

How is more critical hit damage minimal? It's still a beef to those jobs who didn't have it. It's still affects when Bravura deals a critical hit and procs ODD.

It's not something that affects Ukko's Fury only. Critical Hits, Mighty Strikes. It's all incorporated, you don't just gain those things because you equip Ukonvasara.