Haste and You... A guide to the misinformed.

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Originally Posted by rog

That is fine, as long as you understand that doing so is one of the worst things you could do to your job performance, and don't try to convince others to follow suit, under the guise that it will let them do more damage, etc.

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My point is that FFXI is so easy that it doesn't matter. You can speak of rational and ideal choices as much as you'd like but my taru buddy spams c5/c6 all day wearing swimming trunks and a santa cap and I don't die. You can't explain that.

I have to ask you Naturebeckles, would you wear the full Hecatomb +1 set full time if it was given to you?

I can guarantee you'd be hitting as hard as you possibly can.

Would you do it?

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Originally Posted by Fondle

My point is that FFXI is so easy that it doesn't matter. You can speak of rational and ideal choices as much as you'd like but my taru buddy spams c5/c6 all day wearing swimming trunks and a santa cap and I don't die. You can't explain that.

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I can explain it: gear means fairly little for whm. The difference between the best geared and a naked whm isn't really that huge. However that doesn't really apply for other jobs, in particular dd jobs. gear might allow a whm to perform maybe 70% better than a naked whm, which realistically will matter maybe 1-2% of the time, since it's pretty easy to keep people alive anyway. However, a dd can easily do 100 times more damage by using proper gear than they could naked with just a gimp weapon.

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Originally Posted by Flunklesnarkin

Last 4 pages have all been.. you don't need haste to enjoy the game..

I think your point has been made >_>

Whenever you guys get done comparing penis sizes maybe we can get back to discussing haste ..

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Haste makes you enjoy the game faster.

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Originally Posted by Fondle

My point is that FFXI is so easy that it doesn't matter. You can speak of rational and ideal choices as much as you'd like but my taru buddy spams c5/c6 all day wearing swimming trunks and a santa cap and I don't die. You can't explain that.

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Ok maybe you don't need haste because the game is easy enough..

Does it bother you that some people like to wear haste tho?

Seem's you are doing the same thing you are complaining about.. harassing people about gear choices lol

How many more pages will you continue to troll this thread.. i'm sure people don't need every other post to be

"YOU DONT NEED HASTE NOOBS!!!111oneoneone"

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Originally Posted by Frost

I have to ask you Naturebeckles, would you wear the full Hecatomb +1 set full time if it was given to you?

I can guarantee you'd be hitting as hard as you possibly can.

Would you do it?

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No. Because even though I don't go out of my way to make a full haste/tp setup, I would never intentionally put all that slow + on me. EVER.

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Originally Posted by Naturebeckles

No. Because even though I don't go out of my way to make a full haste/tp setup, I would never intentionally put all that slow + on me. EVER.

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Not wearing haste is basically the same as wearing slow+.

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Originally Posted by Fondle

My point is that FFXI is so easy that it doesn't matter. You can speak of rational and ideal choices as much as you'd like but my taru buddy spams c5/c6 all day wearing swimming trunks and a santa cap and I don't die. You can't explain that.

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Was that... a Bill O'Reily reference?
And the trolling has reached... --a new low.

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Originally Posted by rog

I can explain it: gear means fairly little for whm. The difference between the best geared and a naked whm isn't really that huge. However that doesn't really apply for other jobs, in particular dd jobs. gear might allow a whm to perform maybe 70% better than a naked whm, which realistically will matter maybe 1-2% of the time, since it's pretty easy to keep people alive anyway. However, a dd can easily do 100 times more damage by using proper gear than they could naked with just a gimp weapon.

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I actually LOL'd here. So, cure potency, mp, and mnd doesn't mean very much to you for whm?

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Originally Posted by rog

Not wearing haste is basically the same as wearing slow+.

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Ok, now you just sound stupid and I no longer feel that your opinions have any merit whatsoever.

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Originally Posted by rog

Not wearing haste is basically the same as wearing slow+.

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^^ This x1000

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Originally Posted by Naturebeckles

I actually LOL'd here. So, cure potency, mp, and mnd doesn't mean very much to you for whm?

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When you have infinite mp from atmas, convert, etc? No, not really.

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Originally Posted by Naturebeckles

Ok, now you just sound stupid and I no longer feel that your opinions have any merit whatsoever.

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I was just about to say that.

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Originally Posted by Naturebeckles

I actually LOL'd here. So, cure potency, mp, and mnd doesn't mean very much to you for whm?

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Thats not what he said. >.>

all he ment was that playing the whm job isn't hard and the skill it takes to play it effectively conpared to playing a dd job effectively is small.

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Originally Posted by Ragmar

^^ This x1000

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No, because just like haste lowers ones delay allowing for faster hitting, slow increased delay, causing slower hitting. Somebody who isn't wearing slow + gear is still hitting faster than somebody who wears a bunch of slow + gear. So, anybody who agrees with that statement really is an idiot. I will only reply to Frost and Fondle in this thread now. The rest of you can suck my santa suit.

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Originally Posted by Naturebeckles

No, because just like haste lowers ones delay allowing for faster hitting, slow increased delay, causing slower hitting. Somebody who isn't wearing slow + gear is still hitting faster than somebody who wears a bunch of slow + gear. So, anybody who agrees with that statement really is an idiot. I will only reply to Frost and Fondle in this thread now. The rest of you can suck my santa suit.

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Two people:

one has 20% haste, and 10% slow.

The other has 10% haste, and no slow.

Who attacks faster?

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Originally Posted by rog

Two people:

one has 20% haste, and 10% slow.

The other has 10% haste, and no slow.

Who attacks faster?

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Math is hard!

Don't feed the troll rog >_>

Just accept that some people can't be saved :o

Haste makes you faster.. slow makes you slower.. naturebeckles is just flat out trolling now or being a militant noob.

Keep feeding them and we will just have pages of how wearing haste makes you a bad person >_>

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Originally Posted by rog

Two people:

one has 20% haste, and 10% slow.

The other has 10% haste, and no slow.

Who attacks faster?

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That's not what was said before. What was said before was "Not wearing haste is basically the same as wearing slow+". You can't back peddle to erase your stupidity. Good-bye.

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Originally Posted by Naturebeckles

That's not what was said before. What was said before was "Not wearing haste is basically the same as wearing slow+". You can't back peddle to erase your stupidity. Good-bye.

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Yes it is. Sorry if i wasn't clear enough. I'll try to be a little more explicit about what i mean next time.

Good night thread! Going back under my bridge!

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Originally Posted by Naturebeckles

That's not what was said before. What was said before was "Not wearing haste is basically the same as wearing slow+". You can't back peddle to erase your stupidity. Good-bye.

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Are you a troll? This is the second thread I've seen where you argue with the majority without using much logic.

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Originally Posted by Flunklesnarkin

Don't feed the troll rog >_>

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I can't help myself.

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Originally Posted by Naturebeckles

Good night thread! Going back under my bridge!

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Good night. I hope you can still get enough sleep and are well rested for class tomorrow!

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Originally Posted by rog

Two people:

one has 20% haste, and 10% slow.

The other has 10% haste, and no slow.

Who attacks faster?

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The person w/ less JA delay, duh!

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Originally Posted by Hoshi

Are you a troll? This is the second thread I've seen where you argue with the majority without using much logic.

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She isn't a troll... she is just a player who doesn't like to gear change.. and think everyone who does is eliteist.

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Originally Posted by Darkwizardzin

She isn't a troll... she is just a player who doesn't like to gear change.. and think everyone who does is eliteist.

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Jumping to conclusions much? She simply stated, repeatedly, that's how she likes to play and then gets bombarded by vitriolic statements from mathspewing trolls. If anyone is the troll here its OP.

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Originally Posted by Darkwizardzin

She isn't a troll... she is just a player who doesn't like to gear change.. and think everyone who does is eliteist.

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That seems like some flawed logic.... disapproving of the way people choose to gear and play the game... which is pretty much what they are complaining about..

I could see being upset if somebody was forcing them to change gear or w/e.. but I doubt this thread was directed at them specifically

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Originally Posted by Fondle

Jumping to conclusions much? She simply stated, repeatedly, that's how she likes to play and then gets bombarded by vitriolic statements from mathspewing trolls. If anyone is the troll here its OP.

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If she accepted that she's a bad player because of how she plays, then we wouldn't have a problem with her.

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Originally Posted by Fondle

Jumping to conclusions much? She simply stated, repeatedly, that's how she likes to play and then gets bombarded by vitriolic statements from mathspewing trolls. If anyone is the troll here its OP.

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yea, because posting correct data about how the the game mechanics work on a forum for the game is definitely trolling.

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Originally Posted by Fondle

Jumping to conclusions much? She simply stated, repeatedly, that's how she likes to play and then gets bombarded by vitriolic statements from mathspewing trolls. If anyone is the troll here its OP.

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It was more like she insisted that her style of play (not swapping gear or using much haste) was just as good as gearing how the OP suggested. When presented with proof and logic as to why this is not true, she flipped a lid and went ballistic. That's when people started making fun of her.

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Originally Posted by Fondle

Jumping to conclusions much? She simply stated, repeatedly, that's how she likes to play and then gets bombarded by vitriolic statements from mathspewing trolls. If anyone is the troll here its OP.

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The repeatedly part is the reason its annoying..

They said their bit...

Nobody needs the same thing said 50 times......

We get it.. they don't like haste..

you don't need to swap gear to enjoy the game.. you don't need haste to have fun in abyssea w/e

They basically came in and made the thread about them

We got it.. they have a unique special play style..

The rest of us would like to discuss haste >_>

I actually asked because the other thread she was somewhat trolling in was the earthquake thread. It seemed like she wants to go against popular opinion in both threads I read that she posted in.

So how bout them salvage drop rates.

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Originally Posted by rog

If she accepted that she's a bad player because of how she plays, then we wouldn't have a problem with her.

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Also this.

If you're bad, it really doesn't bother me. You can take the advice or not.

However, when you're bad, and defending that standpoint, then that's when you get threads like this one.


There's a diff between

A) Black belt is a lot of work and mnk isn't my main job, so even though brown belt isn't as good, I'm going to stick with this.

B) Hey guys, twilight belt is much better than black belt, you can cap haste if you change your gear around in other slots and get 2% DA zomg!!!

Neither of these players have black belt. However, I have no problem with player A, while player B is just a tard.

You guys are so quick to call her gimp when she is simply defending her right to be gimp. Imposing all of your math and formulas and calculations on her is barbaric, bordering on psychological battery.

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Originally Posted by Fondle

You guys are so quick to call her gimp when she is simply defending her right to be gimp. Imposing all of your math and formulas and calculations on her is barbaric, bordering on psychological battery.

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She's not defending her right to be gimp, she's arguing that she isn't gimp at all.

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simply defending her right to be gimp.

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No, she's saying she's not a bad player.

If she acknowledged so, we wouldn't be having this conversation right now, lol.

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Originally Posted by Fondle

You guys are so quick to call her gimp when she is simply defending her right to be gimp. Imposing all of your math and formulas and calculations on her is barbaric, bordering on psychological battery.

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So you're the new thread troll..

Thread is about haste >_>

Not how not being able to handle opposing views on the internet can "traumatize" a person.

Nobody forced them to stay and post the same thing 50 times (reworded each time)

Are you gonna make this thread about you now.. or try to keep it about them?

Thank you to the OP for the haste information, I have always liked haste when TP-ing, as a thf, I "normally" never believe in +attack and +str anyway.

Let me first say that everyone DOES have their own play style, and gear swap or not, play good or play bad is all just choice of wanting to perfect their job or lazy their way.

With that said, I just can't hold myself about people who doesn't gear swap and make a ton of excuse about why they don't want to. I played THF for many years, and have always carried with me a DEX, AGI, Haste, Evasion, R.acc set (I also have acc set too, but isn't used much any more). DEX for SA only and WSing. AGI for TA, Haste obviously for TPing, Evasion for tanking. Like I said if you just want to play plain, say so, but don't say no gear swap is anywhere as good as gear swap. Maxing out the stat that will benefit what you doing at the moment most will make you a totally different THF. Way before abyssea, many have always say THF sucks for reaosn b/c of people that doesn't swap gear, SA with haste, TA with haste, ws with evasion gear, YUP, that will make the THF suck!

SE made so many different gears, and they are all "situational" (there are NOT that many FULL time piece of gear out there), so you should focus playing the game and understand what gear is best under what situation if you want to be good at thf

just as an example: first instinct of a THF/NIN in a situation when your shadow is down, and the mob has good accuracy over your natural evasion should be... PUT ON THOSE DAMN EVASION GEAR and start shadow casting, NOT wait.. wait..wait.. that whm is gonna cast cure on me anytime now.............I shouldn't blink (even back in the days where stpt is not available)
BUT will you WS with evasion gear, SURE, if the situation demands it, the mob HIT HARDS and you have no shadow already, or the mob have very good accuacy on you, so you don't want to lose your shadow too early. EVEN THEN, you can do a quick change in between the mob's attack and switch bk to evasion, if you are quick and experienced

but then again of course, it's just a game, if you don't want to play a good thf, continue with no gear swap, it's your choice