Current Limit Break Quest *95*

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Originally Posted by Kimble

Yes Elitist can be "annoying" but they are usually the ones that take the time to test and math things out that most of the player base is to lazy or unwilling to do.

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Nope. BG is full of trolls that spam the media thread QQing about how people are wrong on this forum or someone does not agree with them. There is actually a large minority of competent people overthere, and I count less than 2. But maybe you can list me more than 2 testers from BG ? I know byrth, kirshy and maybe yugl, otherwise they are are all pretty much clueless and definitely not elitist. I'm not sure if any of BG got their empy at the right time for instance, all of them just got it at the same time as the playerbase, aka past december haha. Elitism 101.

yes runespider im so glad you shared my thoughts exactly. I dont want the cap quest to 95 to be hiddeously difficult or extremely annoying like the 80 cap was before they adjusted drop rates on kindred crests, but this is a joke like spider said and I agree 100% if its gonna be a joke just dont bother SE making it into a quest, just have it the mini game if you cant make it into a real quest I am sick and tired of kindred crest quests and merit points being an easy way to do level caps past 75.

I want a challenge, like the other ones where, we are at 90 i think i deserve a little difficulty now and again. Take a long look at the pre-75 cap quests, while they where time consuming they felt so good to complete, now its just a mail in merit/kindred crest hoax. 76-90 were all the same junk, 91-99 should be a return to story and a little bit of an adventure, this is what veteran players are complaining about SE. By taking a challenging game and turning it into a casual play, you are destroying the loyal fan base. Guess what, the people who are casual players won't stay for long, a year or maybe two but its people like myself that enjoy the challenge of the game and have lined the SE coffers for years and will only continue to do so if the game keeps its appeal which challenges its players.

I understand some functions of the game will be for casual playing and I have no problem with that, however if the cap quests are any prelude of the 99 endgame to come then I'll never buy another mmo from SE again becasue they had a better game before the updates and they would have an even better game now if a little bit of creative thought is put into the major quests like cap increases for players and their adventruring fellows (skyrim is about to be out soon, nows not the time to produce lame content).

Now I've been seriously upset with the last 3 cap increases being so boring and crappy AND repeatitive, you repackaged the same quest i feel for the last three cap increases!!. I swear SE you are not listing one bit (or your listing to the wrong people) you made the last two cap increases for adventuring fellows like trash and if 95 is like this i just dont know anymore. Take a good long look at what you've done so far for all the cap quests. See how rich and detailed the others were. i can understand that some were difficult if you couldn't get help, and SE doesnt want that for 95 and i can agree to a point, but to make it more of the last three junkie merit garbage its just <i really really wanna start droping f-bombs, getting nasty and screaming my head off here people- i cant stress this to you any louder without losing your focus or being banned myself>.

FYI - 99 better be good and yes i think 99 should be a maat type fight or something worthy of 99 (I'd like to see it be maat and his buddy from the last cap to 90 and tis time you have to fight both at the same time in a bcnm), if its just more hand me up some cap increase with my easy xp and heres your casual gameplay endgame and tell me to have fun, then your worse than the lobbyists here in the US.

How hard can it be to add a ??? to throne room (S) for the quest to be completed or something. Sure somebody will complain and say, aaaawwwwhh we gotta go there to do 95 cap and get the ki from the ???. But to that I say lol, if at 90 you cant get a rr item, sneak and invisible, and go to throne room (S) then you dont deserve 95+. This would be more exciting than repeating the same thing i've seen the past three cap increases. I truly believed that you werent gonna do this a fourth time, i gave you a pass SE on the last three and told myself that you had to rush to 90 but 95 and 99 would be better. Prove to me that my faith was right because I'm having one huge case of regret.

PS- i try not to get nasty in my posts and i think ive done a good job but this really burns me to the core and im not the only one here, while lots of people here seem to have been derailed from side topics in this posting, I think if you ask the player base they will tell you that this limit quest doesn't meet the standard and is unacceptable. What kinda junk is the 99 cap gonna be then? a flower from the flower store in jueno, oh and +20 merits right? maybe add a kindred high crest for lol too right? I dont like being sarcastic but at this point i just dont know what to say anymore the game I love is being watered down and I feel like im choking over here. /cry. Where did the quality go, when we asked for more content we didnt ask for it to held together with duck tape. I am flipping mad over here. An orcish ax, WHAT ARE YOU DOING? seriuosly, ignore this and other posts like this and ffxi will be dead and if you get the new psp ffxi access who's gonna be around to help the noobs? wont be me. I tell people to keep faith, catch up on your gear and quests now and endgame will come after 99cap, that the psp will bring new players, but i'm having trouble myself keeping the torch of hope lit.

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Originally Posted by MarkovChain

Nope. BG is full of trolls that spam the media thread QQing about how people are wrong on this forum or someone does not agree with them. There is actually a large minority of competent people overthere, and I count less than 2. But maybe you can list me more than 2 testers from BG ? I know byrth, kirshy and maybe yugl, otherwise they are are all pretty much clueless and definitely not elitist. I'm not sure if any of BG got their empy at the right time for instance, all of them just got it at the same time as the playerbase, aka past december haha. Elitism 101.

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So by your own standards then, you are just as "bad" as they are then right? Since you got your weapon past December?

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Originally Posted by Concerned4FFxi

Guess what, the people who are casual players won't stay for long, a year or maybe two

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I got to this and realized you're an idiot.

Casual player for seven and a half years here.

It's just a game. People come and go all the time.

Lots of "casual" players play the game on and off for a long period of time. They don't play for many hours in one sitting, thus casual, but that doesn't mean they don't continue to play after months and years have passed.

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Originally Posted by MarkovChain

Nope. BG is full of trolls that spam the media thread QQing about how people are wrong on this forum or someone does not agree with them. There is actually a large minority of competent people overthere, and I count less than 2. But maybe you can list me more than 2 testers from BG ? I know byrth, kirshy and maybe yugl, otherwise they are are all pretty much clueless and definitely not elitist. I'm not sure if any of BG got their empy at the right time for instance, all of them just got it at the same time as the playerbase, aka past december haha. Elitism 101.

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It's funny how Pchan says this, but acquired his ONE weapon much later then all those people on BG (who have done many by now) he has such a problem with. Did you ever even get that ONE set of empyrean armor for yourself or are you still rocking full usukane and thinking it's the best?

And if anyone bothered to look at BG you'd find the 2 most informative things regarding FFXI ever in the history of FFXI.

Whats Better?:
http://www.bluegartr.com/threads/105811-What-s-Better

Random Question Thread:
http://www.bluegartr.com/threads/106...unzig-Luft-RQs

[Insert comment about not wanting to read through pages of a thread to find an answer even though the search button is *right there* and actually works unlike other forums]

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Originally Posted by Aver

[Insert comment about not wanting to read through pages of a thread to find an answer even though the search button is *right there* and actually works unlike other forums]

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Why would you search through the forums when you could just post the question, favorite the address, then come back in 12 hours and read replies? Those threads are there specifically so people can ask the same thing 50 times and not crap up the forum with new threads.

I personally thought that was frowned upon, but I just recently started posting again there too so I'm sure things have changed since the server change.

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Originally Posted by Korpg

Only problem I personally have with the place is it's moderation.

A problem that I have with people referencing that place as the end/all solution of all information from FFXI is that most of that information is public knowledge, and the only things that BG has contributed to the game is understanding of certain aspects of the game by way of mathematical know-how. But even then, some of the posts with "mathy parts" can be incorrect and some are using dated information. But you cannot say that the website is even close to be informational when most of the posters there are so stuck up each other's rumps that they cannot think for themselves and accept whatever certain posters type as gospel.

I have never said that BG doesn't contribute, but don't take people's word for it only by sourcing them without verifying the source (which is what Gokku did at first).

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Every forum has it's own attitude and style that comes with pros and cons.

FFXIAH can be informative via update dumps and isolated chatter but overall the site is moderated to hell (cmon, swear words warrant post deletion?) and the information to be gleamed from the site is little to none. I personally enjoy the non-FFXI sections more than the XI-related.

ZAM's job forums had detailed information put up by individuals like Kinematics which were useful to better understanding your class but General is just a total mess and moderation over the years was so laissez-faire that the site suffered from an influx of stupid that was allowed to grow, mature and become part of the daily life of the site. If FFXIAH overmoderated, ZAM left the forums on autopilot.

Official forums are a collection of whining to SE and trollposts with no intention other than to rub some crowd the wrong way. While some good things have arisen like Kingfury's art thread, the Haste and you thread, History of Vana'diel and mixed feedback that SE seems to be taking seriously, the forums are also burdened with stupidity like flying mounts, Vana'diel to the future! and "here's my new job class that sucks" threads.

BG comes off as having a sophomoric attitude but many contributors run mundane tests that overall benefit the community. Sure, they'll be things like discussions of unsavory tools that make certain bloggists blood boil, insults hurled at the drop of a hat just for the sake of doing it or even bans handed out for being on the wrong side of a argument but overall if your skin is thick and follow the rules you'll find one of the most balanced XI forums still running.

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FFXIAH can be informative via update dumps and isolated chatter but overall the site is moderated to hell (cmon, swear words warrant post deletion?)

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According to Scragg, they did this because they were about to lose one of their key ad sponsors because the general environment of the site was too foul in terms of language and behavior.

And nothing of value was lost

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Originally Posted by Alhanelem

According to Scragg, they did this because they were about to lose one of their key ad sponsors because the general environment of the site was too foul in terms of language and behavior.

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Personally they went overboard imo but hey, anything for that ad revenue.

Modding racial slurs or individuals who are doing nothing but stirring a pot of shit is one thing but modding someone for "shit" and "damn" is nonsense and closing threads the second people start to disagree is nonsense.

Once they lose too many members due to one of their mods being drunk with power, they will get rid of said mod due to him losing them money.

By then, it might be to late.

This thread has advertised Blue Gartr and I now know what it is.

A FORUM FOR BLUE ALLIGATORS!

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Originally Posted by Kimble

Once they lose too many members due to one of their mods being drunk with power, they will get rid of said mod due to him losing them money.

By then, it might be to late.

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So we're lynching Krizz when FFXIAH goes down. Got it.

Mdenham, if you've played for seven years your not casual, your commited. Also, please refrain from name calling, i know its tempting in today's barbaric society to flip off people and fly off the handle at the drop of a dime but do us both a favor and contain yourself, it makes you look uneducated and low class when you dont use your manners.

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Originally Posted by cidbahamut

So we're lynching Krizz when FFXIAH goes down. Got it.

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Who said you guys were going to wait that long. The lynching has already begun.

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Originally Posted by Korpg

Who said you guys were going to wait that long. The lynching has already begun.

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Link me bro.

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Originally Posted by cidbahamut

Link me bro.

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Who said it started with Krizz?

You got my hopes up.

Now I has a sad.

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Originally Posted by Concerned4FFxi

Mdenham, if you've played for seven years your not casual, your commited. Also, please refrain from name calling, i know its tempting in today's barbaric society to flip off people and fly off the handle at the drop of a dime but do us both a favor and contain yourself, it makes you look uneducated and low class when you dont use your manners.

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Casual does not mean you've only played for months or a year. it only means you aren't a "no lifer" and don't spend hours every single day playing.

you mean your deffinition of casual is that, anyone whos been playing for years is far from casual either by the money they have invested or the time they have spent. time = money and money = time not getting away from it.

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Originally Posted by Alhanelem

Casual does not mean you've only played for months or a year. it only means you aren't a "no lifer" and don't spend hours every single day playing.

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Wrong. Casual players are people that don't play the game seriously. The only possible definition is a low number of hours per week. Anything greater than say 15 hours a week is damn hardcore.

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Originally Posted by MarkovChain

Wrong. Casual players are people that don't play the game seriously. The only possible definition is a low number of hours per week. Anything greater than say 15 hours a week is damn hardcore.

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I still fit that; I average about seven hours a week over the last seven and a half years.

Even dumping the roughly a year where I wasn't playing at all, that's still only eight hours a week or so.

So: there is still overlap between "people who have played for more than a year or two" and "casual players".

For the record the BG Random Question Threads and Whats Better Threads are probably two of the most useful and most helpful forum topics relating to FFXI on the internet. In general the people who post there post because they want to improve themselves. The people who reply are ones who'd found the answers or have seen the answers mentioned somewhere else.

Saying the infomation is hard to find on BG is rubbish because their search function is pretty good, and failing that there is the aforementioned Random Question thread.
If you can't find infomation on BG it's because you're not trying.

And those are not the only two good threads. There is a lot of very valuable infomation in Advanced and Mathy Parts forums.

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Originally Posted by MarkovChain

Wrong. Casual players are people that don't play the game seriously. The only possible definition is a low number of hours per week. Anything greater than say 15 hours a week is damn hardcore.

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So i'm right then. i said "Don't spend hours every single day playing."

Don't call me wrong then say the same thing I said. Casual vs hardcore is only a matter of how many hours you're putting in, and it's subjective just how many.

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Originally Posted by wish12oz

Why would you search through the forums when you could just post the question, favorite the address, then come back in 12 hours and read replies?

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If the search function actually works, it should be about 11 hours and 55 minutes faster than the procedure you suggest.

at any time of the night/day you generally get your first reply in RQT in about 5-10 mins tops

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Originally Posted by Alhanelem

So i'm right then. i said "Don't spend hours every single day playing."

Don't call me wrong then say the same thing I said. Casual vs hardcore is only a matter of how many hours you're putting in, and it's subjective just how many.

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Yes but you should add "on average". What is systematic to hardcore players, unlike casual players, is committement overs the days/weeks/months/years. Basically if you farm anything that requries grind you are hardcore. While abyssea offers nice opportunities to casuals for instance, it's kind of made for hardcores (empy, vnms).

Sweeeet I just noticed there was an ignore button!

Bye Korpg.

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Originally Posted by Dirtyfinger

Sweeeet I just noticed there was an ignore button!

Bye Korpg.

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Nice talking to you

Don't ignroe korpg. He's a craker of a chap.

omg i thought this thread was gone!

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Originally Posted by noodles355

Don't ignroe korpg. He's a craker of a chap.

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Can you cite sources for this? I don't believe you, and don't go posting links to that BG place no one likes.

Just checked with the bard, My CS required a Sirens tear.

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Originally Posted by zagam

Just checked with the bard, My CS required a Sirens tear.

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what are your sources for this?

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Originally Posted by Rearden

what are your sources for this?

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Korpg told me

OP has been updated.

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Originally Posted by zagam

Korpg told me

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Sounds like word of mouth which is inadmissible and might even be stolen property.