Bully: it's really bad.

Waiting for Camate to translate before I get my hopes up. Please post soon Camate, I want to get my hopes up.

Anyone complaining about this change needs to have their balls cut off...because there is NOTHING, absolutely NOTHING, bad about it.

1-native claiming JA, not quite 16 distance like voke, but its a native claiming JA
2-ability to SA in the face every 3 minutes. (you can STILL do two SA's in the face with some crafty timing, pop SA, count to 50, hit, SA hit)

*count to 40.

Just sayin' :p

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Originally Posted by Nynja

Anyone complaining about this change needs to have their balls cut off...because there is NOTHING, absolutely NOTHING, bad about it.

1-native claiming JA, not quite 16 distance like voke, but its a native claiming JA
2-ability to SA in the face every 3 minutes. (you can STILL do two SA's in the face with some crafty timing, pop SA, count to 50, hit, SA hit)

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I hope you are right....still waiting on that English translation though :(

Inb4 the SA buff is an additional 1% DEX to dmg ratio or straight +50 dmg to the end damage total (Not weapon damage)

I doubt it'll be bad. The way the translation sounds makes me quite hopeful. It will also give me hope they do in fact listen to us...

Just the thought of being able to drop a SA/WS while tanking, even once every 3 minutes just ... well it makes me happy. very happy. and i truly hope that the translations are correct here.

Still, I find today THF Is actually pretty boss for Voidwatch... They aren't the RUN IN AND FIGHT battles, its fought almost completely as Run in > WS > run out, THF Really shines in those situations because they run in > SA > TA > Run out causing a good deal of damage.

I like how all of this sounds.

bully is only worth is when soloing or claiming mobs but do we really need it, i dont think so

and after testing in sever i havent changed my mind

How is it only soloing if the potency is increased with more ppl?

I was never complaining about this change. Any positive change is good anyway. It's simply not "OMG WOOT FINALLY SOME LOVE!". The dps change with this will be minimal. I'd much rather have a higher performance while still locked with positioning restrictions (making sa/ta epeen more) or have 100% performance all the time (making sa/ta always hit).

I'll take being able to SATA a tank up to twice per 3 minutes, and the possibility for SATAWS as well over what it was.

They're giving us an inch here, Lets not ask for the mile, this is a compromise i can work with. This is a far better improvement to this JA than any of us could have hopped for. If it turns out it does allow SA from any direction, it opens up some significant possibilities for spike damage in events like Voidwatch which is basically a giant spike damage fight... (hint: you don't melee).

So ... Lets try not to appear too ungrateful.

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Originally Posted by Laphine

How is it only soloing if the potency is increased with more ppl?

I was never complaining about this change. Any positive change is good anyway. It's simply not "OMG WOOT FINALLY SOME LOVE!". The dps change with this will be minimal. I'd much rather have a higher performance while still locked with positioning restrictions (making sa/ta epeen more) or have 100% performance all the time (making sa/ta always hit).

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I agree but still, THF spike damage is it's bread and butter. It's just a little bit better than a minimal adjustment but sure, in the grand scheme of things it's not really improving group oriented activities. Any group that knows wth they're doing doesn't give their thieves any problems with their SATA business.

It is a huge adjustment for the THF tank, though. Our WS damage suffers greatly when not stacked with SA. For someone like me for example who typically runs to a spot somewhere to farm something and will spend extended periods doing so, this change will make life considerably easier over time. It's not sliced bread 2.0 but with the addition of it it could lead to sliced bread 2.0 eventually and that's far more important than the actual SA adjustment for Bully(assuming true), SE finally giving in to the fact that Bully was extremely lack luster for the THF job. We already have 2 support dagger jobs. Let THF stay the DD of the bunch and not turn it into another support deal.

Morning! Sorry to make you all wait at the edges of your seats for what has been posted about Bully. Hope you all had a good labor day weekend.

Last week we added an effect to Bully that would make it easier to increase the effect of Treasure Hunter.

Based on feedback we received about this, we decided to go a different route and add an effect we felt would make you all a bit happier.

The changes to the effects are described below:

•Bully (THF lvl.93 Recast time: 3 minutes Effect Duration: 30 seconds)
Intimidates target
While under its effect: Possible to use Sneak Attack when not behind an enemy.

HAH! Thats more like it! Thanks guys :)

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Originally Posted by Camate

Morning! Sorry to make you all wait at the edges of your seats for what has been posted about Bully. Hope you all had a good labor day weekend.

Last week we added an effect to Bully that would make it easier to increase the effect of Treasure Hunter.

Based on feedback we received about this, we decided to go a different route and add an effect we felt would make you all a bit happier.

The changes to the effects are described below:

•Bully (THF lvl.93 Recast time: 3 minutes Effect Duration: 30 seconds)
Intimidates target
While under its effect: Possible to use Sneak Attack when not behind an enemy.

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It makes me so happy you're glad I don't know where you live.

Because i would go there and hug you, and never stop, at first it would be nice, then it would get kinda awkward. But I still wouldn't let go.

Edit: Also my weekend was fantastic. I sat at home and did nothing. Just like i planned :D
Edit2: I feel a restraining order coming on.

Wow, awesome! Congrats Thf, you finally got something you've been asking for.

I am moved to cry twin waterfalls T_T. I imagine a bunch of people in the different THF AFs hugging each other like the end of a war or something. Its almost like .... the test server is serving a function! :D

though obligatory dont let your guard down for them doing something terrible soon, we dont have luck like this hahahaaaaabloobloobloobloo

Awesome, here's to more rudra's. Might even merit sa now...

Why does it sound like some people think that Bully is giving us an additional critical attack every 3 minutes? You guys do realize that it allows us to use Sneak Attack from any direction so we are still under that 50 second - 1 minute constraint.. I just see some posts that indicate we get an extra critical every 3 minutes but that's not the case. Just means that every 3rd SA, we don't have to run behind the mob to perform it. A welcomed change nonetheless.

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Originally Posted by Camate

Morning! Sorry to make you all wait at the edges of your seats for what has been posted about Bully. Hope you all had a good labor day weekend.

Last week we added an effect to Bully that would make it easier to increase the effect of Treasure Hunter.

Based on feedback we received about this, we decided to go a different route and add an effect we felt would make you all a bit happier.

The changes to the effects are described below:

•Bully (THF lvl.93 Recast time: 3 minutes Effect Duration: 30 seconds)
Intimidates target
While under its effect: Possible to use Sneak Attack when not behind an enemy.

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This is awesome. Here is a picture of a dog in a bumblebee costume as an inscrutable token of my inscrutable thanks.

so a SA-hide effect even if you have enimity on the target. ok. not too impressing.

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Originally Posted by Camate

Morning! Sorry to make you all wait at the edges of your seats for what has been posted about Bully. Hope you all had a good labor day weekend.

Last week we added an effect to Bully that would make it easier to increase the effect of Treasure Hunter.

Based on feedback we received about this, we decided to go a different route and add an effect we felt would make you all a bit happier.

The changes to the effects are described below:

•Bully (THF lvl.93 Recast time: 3 minutes Effect Duration: 30 seconds)
Intimidates target
While under its effect: Possible to use Sneak Attack when not behind an enemy.

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You're starting to get it, but not quite there yet.

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Originally Posted by Valisk

Why does it sound like some people think that Bully is giving us an additional critical attack every 3 minutes? You guys do realize that it allows us to use Sneak Attack from any direction so we are still under that 50 second - 1 minute constraint.. I just see some posts that indicate we get an extra critical every 3 minutes but that's not the case. Just means that every 3rd SA, we don't have to run behind the mob to perform it. A welcomed change nonetheless.

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Most life long thf's spend the vast majority of their time soloing, now we get to use sneak attack while soloing, sweet

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Originally Posted by Riggs

Most life long thf's spend the vast majority of their time soloing, now we get to use sneak attack while soloing, sweet

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This .

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Originally Posted by Valisk

Why does it sound like some people think that Bully is giving us an additional critical attack every 3 minutes? You guys do realize that it allows us to use Sneak Attack from any direction so we are still under that 50 second - 1 minute constraint.. I just see some posts that indicate we get an extra critical every 3 minutes but that's not the case. Just means that every 3rd SA, we don't have to run behind the mob to perform it. A welcomed change nonetheless.

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Maybe you need to read more into the posts and do less of the speed reading. From a technical point of view a THF tank(or whatever case that might have hate focused on the THF)is getting an extra forced crit every 3 minutes, and up to 2 if they time it right.

We're not saying it's magically providing another forced crit on top of SATA, we're saying that because we can SA from any direction it's giving us forced crits when before we didn't have the option due to SA requirements.

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Originally Posted by Camate

Morning! Sorry to make you all wait at the edges of your seats for what has been posted about Bully. Hope you all had a good labor day weekend.

Last week we added an effect to Bully that would make it easier to increase the effect of Treasure Hunter.

Based on feedback we received about this, we decided to go a different route and add an effect we felt would make you all a bit happier.

The changes to the effects are described below:

•Bully (THF lvl.93 Recast time: 3 minutes Effect Duration: 30 seconds)
Intimidates target
While under its effect: Possible to use Sneak Attack when not behind an enemy.

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Im so excited about this its great. i didn't expect something like this to happen but so glad if you guys go through with it. Thanks a bunch really looking forward to the update now ^^.

Why is this so amazing? It's a 30 second duration and 3 min recast which means at best 1 free SA. While soloing this is good, but for HNM this is meh considering it's not too hard to SA behind the mob. Also does this mean they removed the 'easier to proc TH effect" from Bully?

here is just a idea.
but in the future maybe you guys can make conspirator a TA version of this new effect where you dont have to be behind a person just a idea ^^.

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Originally Posted by Ophannus

Why is this so amazing? It's a 30 second duration and 3 min recast which means at best 1 free SA. While soloing this is good, but for HNM this is meh considering it's not too hard to SA behind the mob. Also does this mean they removed the 'easier to proc TH effect" from Bully?

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Most likly yea they did remove the "easier to proc" effect from it to replace it with this new effect (not much of a loss anyway.... 90% of the people who posted here about it were screaming hate about it)

imo Im glad to see an update where 70%~ of the thfs are happy with it for a change.

In 1 week bully has gone from pure garbage to one of the best JAs THF has. Anyone not happy with this change is just trying to be unhappy.

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Originally Posted by Insaniac

In 1 week bully has gone from pure garbage to one of the best JAs THF has. Anyone not happy with this change is just trying to be unhappy.

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This makes me very happy. For solo / Duo this is amazing. For groups its also pretty damn good.

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Originally Posted by Ophannus

Why is this so amazing? It's a 30 second duration and 3 min recast which means at best 1 free SA. While soloing this is good, but for HNM this is meh considering it's not too hard to SA behind the mob. Also does this mean they removed the 'easier to proc TH effect" from Bully?

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HNM like Fafhogg, where you can just go behind the mob and SA, right? Soloing/Duoing is where it's at for most people. So this is great for that. And it's not "at best 1", it's "at least 1, at best 2" free SA.

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Originally Posted by Insaniac

In 1 week bully has gone from pure garbage to one of the best JAs THF has. Anyone not happy with this change is just trying to be unhappy.

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lol yeah, i'll give you this. I still hope we see more tweeks tho! 1min duration (Yes,please.)!

It also every 3 minutes means you dont have to worry about someone hitting hate back and it spinning(thats pretty common). Also the TH loss is probably to make up for the fact that even solo you can now get the enhanced TH proc rate from SA which is probably as effective as bully was. This is really functional now, also the original intimidate(even minor) on top of that.

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Originally Posted by FrankReynolds

This makes me very happy. For solo / Duo this is amazing. For groups its also pretty damn good.

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I agree 100%. For once a 3 minute timer is actually justified. This JA would be amazing without the intimidation effect and ghetto claim tool aspect. I'm super happy about this. Hopefully this is the first good news in a series. =)

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Originally Posted by Vold

Maybe you need to read more into the posts and do less of the speed reading. From a technical point of view a THF tank(or whatever case that might have hate focused on the THF)is getting an extra forced crit every 3 minutes, and up to 2 if they time it right.

We're not saying it's magically providing another forced crit on top of SATA, we're saying that because we can SA from any direction it's giving us forced crits when before we didn't have the option due to SA requirements.

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Speed reading huh? Maybe you should stop speed posting and think about what you're writing before sending it. First of all, don't say "we're" like you're speaking for everyone because I've seen at least 3 posts speaking of an additional hit or Sneak Attack hidden effect. Secondly, I wasn't talking about those saying we can now SA once every 3 minutes when we otherwise wouldn't be able to. I'm referring to those who are implying that Bully allows us to force critical in addition to SA and TA.

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Originally Posted by Laphine

lol yeah, i'll give you this. I still hope we see more tweeks tho! 1min duration (Yes,please.)!

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I'm sure we will see merits/gear to either increase the duration or lower the recast. Hopefully not intimidation rate! Start taking notes now devs!!

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Originally Posted by Valisk

Speed reading huh? Maybe you should stop speed posting and think about what you're writing before sending it. First of all, don't say "we're" like you're speaking for everyone because I've seen at least 3 posts speaking of an additional hit or Sneak Attack hidden effect. Secondly, I wasn't talking about those saying we can now SA once every 3 minutes when we otherwise wouldn't be able to. I'm referring to those who are implying that Bully allows us to force critical in addition to SA and TA.

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Where did anyone say they thought that Bully was a force crit JA?

Edit: Also, I'm pretty stoked about this change. AS for the TH enhancement effect being removed, being able to Sneak Attack (for increased chance when solo) more often is just as good (if not better).

Edit 2: The question also remains: will ANYONE one hate be able to land SA from any angle under Bully effect (as its an effect placed upon the mob) or will it just be the THF that gave the effect?

hmmm.

I am quite pleased with the change for Bully. I thought it was going to be a crap ability (and it was), but this is pretty good, even if it is only every 3 minutes. Maybe this could be added to Merits someday to further increase usefulness.

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Originally Posted by Nebo

Edit 2: The question also remains: will ANYONE one hate be able to land SA from any angle under Bully effect (as its an effect placed upon the mob) or will it just be the THF that gave the effect?

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Should be easy enough for anyone on the test server to try it out.

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Originally Posted by Monchat

so a SA-hide effect even if you have enimity on the target. ok. not too impressing.

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You don't get it. It's an actual buff, even if it's minor. Do you realize how LONG that's been?

We get worthless shit or nerfs. This is our first good buff in a very long time. So of course we're happy.