emergency world maintenace already...........

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Originally Posted by Ironside

It's up now.

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Indeed.

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17:15!! YAY!!

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Originally Posted by Dragoy

I can imagine how bad they feel about this inconvenience and I'd say they shouldn't!
Take your time even if it were to become days; fixing things in haste is the last thing you want them to do, I assure you. :]

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Originally Posted by Tommykun

Hmm... You would think there would be some kind of update about the maintenance extension.

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it would be nice but who knows maby the site dev is already at home

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Originally Posted by Helsveinn

I would be more understanding and supportive of your cause if SE would continue to update the extension after ETA has passed. At this point, it's just unprofessional and out of hand. Please notify your customers when you fail to meet a deadline. It's a common courtesy to do so in any sort of business...

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Yeah, I know and it's expected customers would be pissed off, really.

And I do agree, that they should have updated the estimation way sooner, preferably PAST their expectations so that the players wouldn't be waiting for naught.

That, and getting the translations right would help haha!

But it's more or less the lack of staff that caused this as well, I would guess. I'd still say they're doing a good job, and unexpected happen and if/when it happens when not so many people are available, it can be a disaster what comes to fixing it asap. Though, if I had to play the guessing game even more, I'd easily imagine people being called from bed to work on this.

Imagine your favourite community representative moogles flying all over the place in distress. Not that they're there, but just imagine it, dang it!


Anyhoo, it is up as noted. We shall see if it stands. :]

((claps)) nice work SE, eager to see these new changes. :)

eh...was on COR earlier, not happy about the update for them, way to fail SE...

Maybe PLD will be 'wanted' idk, really wish they would show some love to DRG and unlink Jump abilities like they have now done with NIN abilities, but I know DRG is like the red-headed step child of SE HQ.

Waiting a whole day for FFXI? Wow that sucks. Imagine if you had to wait just under 2 months. I can tell you first hand that it sucks. Luckilly i only have another 5 hours of updates to wait for. Too bad it's 8:40PM and I wont be able to play tonight.

So....SE stuffed up big time not only with the bug (plus could have been others), but with an error in translation and lack of communication.

Look how many people rushed to take advantage of the bug before it was found and fixed. At least one person has been banned already.

17 pages of responses in this thread so far. I guess what I am saying is, chill out. It's not the end of the world that you can't play for several hours. You should all know by now that any Update will be followed by Emergency Maintenance. Plan accordingly and don't bother updating for at least 12-24 hours. The NM's will still be there as will eveything else, just like the sun rises every day.

You can only speculate on why Emergency maintenance took so long. Cursing SE up one side and down the other isn't going to make it any different. It just raises your BP and RF. (Blood Pressure and Rage Factor). Think about how they might be viewing some of your responses................

The sad thing is that SE's competition is more than likely laughing their socks off right now at this fail. I believe that FFXI has barely a skeleton crew available at any given time and is running on empty coffers thanks to FF14, the earthquake and some pretty poor management.

Perhaps a better solution than rushing in to appease the masses and address all the demands for everything from A-Z would have been to push back the roadmap a couple more months to make sure that everything could be properly tested before releasing the various updates. We would still have bugs and maintenance, it seems to be SE's way, just perhaps not as bad as this.

SE does need to improve on it's communication skills, that is a given. Unfortunately they appear to operate like a Secret Society with the player base as Rank and File to be fed snippets of information only as and when the need arises.

Still and all, the amount of actual downtime we have had over the years many of us have played is small. Just don't get so bent out of shape about it. There's a real world out there beyond the doors of FFXI, get out and enjoy it while you can. There are also many other games you can play, just so happens that despite it's many problems, FFXI is still the best out there, you all rush right back here, so quit bitching. :)

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Look how many people rushed to take advantage of the bug before it was found and fixed. At least one person has been banned already.

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I doubt anyone was actually banned for this, or that they even bothered to roll back people that abused it.

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Originally Posted by OMEGA_HACK

eh...was on COR earlier, not happy about the update for them, way to fail SE...

Maybe PLD will be 'wanted' idk, really wish they would show some love to DRG and unlink Jump abilities like they have now done with NIN abilities, but I know DRG is like the red-headed step child of SE HQ.

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Honestly? Soul and Spirit Jump are ridiculous enough on their own. I completely do not mind losing access to Jump and High Jump for them.

cant think of any super benefit anyone could get from it that would upset game balance.... few people get a few easy levels (abyssea does that anyways) maybe spam a few xilbaba ... (get a few quick seals) which wont affect a lot not like he dropping empy weapons or +2 items

mind u i suppose they could of hit up titl... in attowha but time they would of farmed pops they maint would been up

I see a lot of people defend SE but there is a test server, yet they never test their patches. It is the most standard thing to do when you change code is to test things. SE always lets obvious things go unnoticed until we play. Maybe they should cut the monthly rate by 50% on patch months since we have to do their patch testing for them.

Use your test servers morons, that is what they are there for.

Checking cure damage on an undead mob is hardly what I would call first in line of things to test each and every update.

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Originally Posted by Neisan_Quetz

Checking cure damage on an undead mob is hardly what I would call first in line of things to test each and every update.

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In professional software development it's called regression testing, SE could perhaps learn about it.

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Originally Posted by xbobx

I see a lot of people defend SE but there is a test server, yet they never test their patches. It is the most standard thing to do when you change code is to test things. SE always lets obvious things go unnoticed until we play. Maybe they should cut the monthly rate by 50% on patch months since we have to do their patch testing for them.

Use your test servers morons, that is what they are there for.

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One might inquire what base you this statement on. I mean the one that they do not test things?

For one, the server can be seen on-line at times, and there is now a forum section telling you what they are currently testing even.

Seriously, those who keep telling SqEX what to do, if you're so confident you could do it better, oh, I say goferit! I do understand the frustration and annoyance over such inconveniences, but what do people imagine they could ever gain from plain rage against the machine... I just don't get it. :S


Luckily, I do not need to! \ö/

You want proof? When they added level sync automations would disappear when you sync. So they had a specific patch to fix the problem. Servers came up. Level sync, automation disappeared. Later they patched it again, in patch notes it said to fix problem with automations disappearing when you level sync.
After patch, level sycn, automations disappeared.

Now if you did a specific patch to fix that problem, wouldn't you go onto test server, get a puppet, and another job, and level sync. That had to be one of the easiest patch tests. So they didn't just no test it once, they didn't test it twice.

So no, They do not test their patches, we have seen this over the past 10 years, very obvious things that woudl have took seconds to test directly related to the patch they have implemented and would have pointed out issues. I can't see how anyone can think they properly test their patches. How ignorant are some of you?
And the argument that if you think you can do better, then go ahead. That is such a dumb argument. These guys are programmers, it is their job, of course I couldn't do it, because I am an accountant. But I am expected to balance the books, if don't do my job I don't have a job. Most if not every programmer will tell you that testing is standard. You never release live code without testing it, if you do, you find yourself looking for another job.
Se keeps doing this, why? Because their fanboys keep letting them get away with it. maybe if some of you take your heads of of your butt and say it is not acceptable, maybe they would properly test.
And don't say they are short in staff so they can't give the same quality of service, because if this is true, then we shouldn't be paying for the same quality of service we got 8 years ago. We should pay for what we get, if they are runnign a skeleton crew with no intention of putting in any real effort then the monthly fee should be dropped to 6.99

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Originally Posted by Kraggy

In professional software development it's called regression testing, SE could perhaps learn about it.

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You forgot to mention the regression testing is (most likely) automated and during throrough regression testing is costly as they have to run the entire gauntlet of test cases previously run against the system.

Wait s minute, your suggesting they write the code and push it out with out testing to se
e if the code worked? Hummmmmm.

anyone noticed that before the e-maint mobs, when stunned while using a TP move, would still have TP?

I have since noticed that they fixed that too since the e-maint.

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Originally Posted by OMEGA_HACK

eh...was on COR earlier, not happy about the update for them, way to fail SE...

Maybe PLD will be 'wanted' idk, really wish they would show some love to DRG and unlink Jump abilities like they have now done with NIN abilities, but I know DRG is like the red-headed step child of SE HQ.

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PLD has been wanted again since voidwatch came out so no idea what you are talking about.

the COR update is not as bad as you all make it out to be.

well the COR update is bad considering they opened the floor to suggestions and stated they wanted "The XI effect to give a bonus to COR and his party members" If you look back on those threads there were plenty of reasonable suggestions that far out par what they just did to the job, not to mention this really don't give a bonus to the other party members at all, meaning they still won't be wanted for anything other than Wildfire brews.

And I put the 'wanted' like so because I still find them very useful, but for some reason a lot of people say the job is worthless and that NIN/DNC/THF > PLD (which isn't true at all)

And yeah this was a pretty pathetic update, waste of resources and time if you ask me, oh and what's with the SAM ability that clearly rips off Dancers everywhere? Good job SE...

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Originally Posted by Cream_Soda

I bolded it for you, in case you missed it the first time.

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Windower and windowed are not the same thing. I guess you mistakenly put windower when you meant to put windowed the first time. ;3

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Originally Posted by OMEGA_HACK

well the COR update is bad considering they opened the floor to suggestions and stated they wanted "The XI effect to give a bonus to COR and his party members" If you look back on those threads there were plenty of reasonable suggestions that far out par what they just did to the job, not to mention this really don't give a bonus to the other party members at all, meaning they still won't be wanted for anything other than Wildfire brews.

And I put the 'wanted' like so because I still find them very useful, but for some reason a lot of people say the job is worthless and that NIN/DNC/THF > PLD (which isn't true at all)

And yeah this was a pretty pathetic update, waste of resources and time if you ask me, oh and what's with the SAM ability that clearly rips off Dancers everywhere? Good job SE...

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If content keeps moving away from abyssea, which it is pld cor and brd will come back in to play at endgame. Do they get auto-invites to exp anymore not really but are they turned away from exp no. You didn't see cor outside of exp much back at 75 except in fights that a) you need 2hours reset b) events with waves of targets were the attack boost, DA, and more refresh for the mages were needed. Once Voidwatch starts getting gear most of the player base wants then you'll see brd and cor come back in since we won't have the 15 tic auto refresh for mages.

COR and PLD are great inside Voidwatch. Anyone who is saying NIN, DNC, THF are better tanks in Voidwatch havent done it.

Cor does great dmg in there with wildfire as well as giving great buffs.

Plus, you really need to be objective and realize this was only a MINI update. If this was MAJOR update then yes, it would be lackluster. Or would you rather you have to go back to the way it was before and wait 3-4 months for minor changes?

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Originally Posted by Dragen

Windower and windowed are not the same thing. I guess you mistakenly put windower when you meant to put windowed the first time. ;3

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No, I meant what i said, no mistake
http://www.playonline.com/pcd/topics...93/detail.html

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Sokaku was very excited to report one of the most exciting announcements made during the summit:
Quick Trip Reveals Official Windower!

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If "official windower" is good enough to be linked from SE's own site, then it's good enough for me.

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Originally Posted by xbobx

You want proof? When they added level sync automations would disappear when you sync. So they had a specific patch to fix the problem. Servers came up. Level sync, automation disappeared. Later they patched it again, in patch notes it said to fix problem with automations disappearing when you level sync.
After patch, level sycn, automations disappeared.

Now if you did a specific patch to fix that problem, wouldn't you go onto test server, get a puppet, and another job, and level sync. That had to be one of the easiest patch tests. So they didn't just no test it once, they didn't test it twice.

So no, They do not test their patches, we have seen this over the past 10 years, very obvious things that woudl have took seconds to test directly related to the patch they have implemented and would have pointed out issues. I can't see how anyone can think they properly test their patches. How ignorant are some of you?

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Things don't always work exactly as you intend them to, even if you try them with a test-environment, unexpected things happen when you toss it all together, human-errors happen, and so on and on.

I just can't see it not happening. It would be amazingly ludicrous to implement new code without any testing, absolute terror even! Just like you say: "You never release live code without testing it, if you do, you find yourself looking for another job."
Obviously I can't say for sure since I do not work for them, so my guess is as good as yours is in the end, and I don't think I am being any more ignorant than you are.

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Originally Posted by xbobx

And the argument that if you think you can do better, then go ahead. That is such a dumb argument.

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Never meant that as an argument, don't take it so seriously. ^^;

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Originally Posted by xbobx

And don't say they are short in staff so they can't give the same quality of service, because if this is true, then we shouldn't be paying for the same quality of service we got 8 years ago. We should pay for what we get, if they are runnign a skeleton crew with no intention of putting in any real effort then the monthly fee should be dropped to 6.99

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OK I wont say that, but I will say that you should not pay them at all, if you really are so utterly disappointed. I hope you're at least enjoying the game, when you are able to play it.
I would certainly enjoy a lower price, but would we still be able to receive the service we do now. Now there's a thought, no?


I thank thee for elaborating!