Can the abyssea debate come to an end?

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Originally Posted by Akujima

Because Ballista is fun, Nyzul Isle is fun and seeing new places and opening up new quests and interesting storylines is fun.

And the Dev teams hardwork for making all these fun, interesting scenario's shouldn't go to waste.

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u gots a HUGE point, game was around for 8 years before abyssea, and was more popular up until about 7 years ago. The problem wasn't that the game got bad (although the RMT crap had just about everyone ready to ragequit), just that most of the long-time players had finished anything they were interested in.

still, new people should realize, if this game was good enough to have us forking over $$ for 8 freaking years that there might just be stuff worth doing from that time. Try it, you might like it!

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Originally Posted by Akujima

Should the minority suffer always?

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Yes. This is a game to us, but a business to SE. You want to keep playing the game yet you can't understand that the majority rules? ...baka

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Originally Posted by Tamoa

It should be pretty obvious why I didn't put dynamis in that list. It's not gone from the game, but been changed drastically.

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And how does that fit into your "argument"?

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Originally Posted by Tamoa

Has any of the old content been taken away, as in removed from the game? Is anyone telling you that you absolutely can't do Ballista/Einherjar/Limbus/sea/salvage/sky/oldfashioned exp parties?

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Yes? Point of quote and fact: Dynamis as it was, has been taken away, removed from the game and replaced with Dynabyssea. "It has different proc system though!" isn't an argument, it still has a proc system either way, resembling (near identical) to the one from Abyssea.

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Originally Posted by Tamoa

Of course people bitched and moaned before abyssea too. However, there was no official forum then, filled to the brink with whiny threads about everything they found hard/unfair/boring/terrible about the game. And I thought the same thing then, about people that kept complaining about the game - "why the hell do you still play???".

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And thus was abyssea born. Spawned by the complaints of a minority. What's different now? That there's no proof of the complaints being of the "minority" or that it's toward the opposite direction? Pick your poison.

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Originally Posted by Tamoa

Again, that is only YOUR OPINION. Other people don't necessarily find those things fun, you know?

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It's asinine to think that those things are not fun. People did them for years. Sure, SOME people got tired of it, and SOME people started whining. The only legitimate complaints were from people who completed everything (which took years). Now? Abyssea takes how long to complete? A month? Two? Disregarding that it's a completely boring event, which requires absolutely no effort, the time it takes to complete is pathetic. So, in such an easy environment where everything can be accomplished in such an idiotic amount of time, legitimate complaints to put things that take longer (and actually have substance) are going to arise (and have, just like they did for that small minority of legitimate complaints about having completed everything after years of effort).

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Originally Posted by Tamoa

If these events are irrelevant, why does anyone want to do them at all, including the anti-abyssea crowd?

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People toss around words way too easily, without understanding their actual meaning. This is a prime example of that. The events are irrelevant, which is different from unenjoyable. Why are they irrelevant? The rewards aren't worth it anymore because something else, thats far far far easier to get came along and out-did those rewards.

The events don't need an update (looking at you dynamis), they need greater rewards because they are a greater challenge (even if you disagree that they were hard: when you compare them to abyssea, the difference is clear as day, one is ridiculols and gets you better gear, the other actually poses some sort of threat but has crap rewards by comparison).

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Originally Posted by Akujima

Should the minority suffer always?

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Yes, but....
Don't know where people get the idea that those who want content made relevant again by increasing the rewards is in the minority. Who's spreading this fabricated lie? It needs to stop.

@Zyeriis:

Dynamis hasn't been taken away, it's been changed. It still has the exact same rewards, plus some new ones if I'm not mistaken.

I never said irrelevant equals unenjoyable. The post I replied to there, actually said those events are irrelevant because they offer no loot/reward and that people won't do them simply because they are fun:

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Originally Posted by Sparthos

People are not swayed by fun and in most cases it boils down to raw, unadulterated "what do i get from this?". Sad fact? Yes. Too many people choose to pretend the ideal is something other than the above.

The masses are swayed by loot.

I called your post dishonest because you're leaving out a huge component which is "how do I get people to do events they get nothing from?". Yeah, Assaults, Ashu Talif, BCNMs, Quests and Missions are available to do at any time but it's very hard to get people to do something when Abyssea has made it irrelevant.

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Originally Posted by Zyeriis

It's asinine to think that those things are not fun.

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Oh I see, you get to decide what is ok for me and others to find fun in this game then?

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Originally Posted by Tamoa

@Zyeriis:

Dynamis hasn't been taken away, it's been changed. It still has the exact same rewards, plus some new ones if I'm not mistaken.

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That's called being taken away, it is in no way the same as it was before, barring of course the setting and rewards. Rewards =/= content.

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Originally Posted by Tamoa

The post I replied to there, actually said those events are irrelevant because they offer no loot/reward and that people won't do them simply because they are fun

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Exactly?

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Originally Posted by Tamoa

Oh I see, you get to decide what is ok for me and others to find fun in this game then?

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Well seeing as how thats exactly what you're doing, yes.

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Originally Posted by Zyeriis

Well seeing as how thats exactly what you're doing, yes.

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Where the hell did I say "you're asinine for enjoying that event" or "you're asinine for not enjoying this event", or anything remotely similar, implying that I think other people's idea of fun is stupid?

I have said 2 things: One being the way some people carry on and on and on and on about how much they dislike the game now, makes me wonder why they are still playing.

The other thing I have pointed out, is that there is absolutely nothing stopping you or anybody else from doing old content. You just have to find a few people interested in doing the same events, or ask some friends to help with stuff that isn't soloable. You will either find people who want to do that event because they think it's fun, or they want a possible reward from it (for completion or whatever). Shout, ask around, post in server section on this forum, post on BG, post on FFXIAH, etc etc.

I'm not 100% happy with everything in the game as it is now. Some things have been made just too easy, and there are certain events and such that I miss doing. But in my opinion the good still outweighs the bad, I still enjoy FFXI, and that is why I'm still playing. I'm not bitching and whining and trying to force my opinion of what's fun or not down people's throats though, or trying to make SE change the game into my liking, unlike others on this forum.