Common Courtesy

Honestly, I'd have to take Linh's side in this...he agreed for the chance at the BB item, but he never got that chance, so he shouldn't have to pay the piper for it...plus, wouldn't the others have gotten the shank from their own orbs? sounds to me like they still wanted payment so that they could take advantage of Linh's misfortune...

I see it as that bubee, but still hate to say lesson learned. Take it in to the next time and go over every point in great detail. I think thats how some of the people that are selling RA/ex on my server are doing it, paying for the rite to lot even if it doesn't drop.

In the OP's defense, this was a YOYD run. And to me, that has always meant you get to keep whatever you want that drops off your orb, including behe pop item in this case unless some other agreement was made prior to the run.

I haven't read every single post in this thread, but I'm assuming if BB item had dropped from one of the other orbs, the OP would have been allowed to lot it in exchange for the behe pop item from his orb. Which is all good. But no BB item dropped and OP was still required to give up his behe pop item. That kinda sounds like having to pay for an item you didn't receive?

But like I said, I haven't read through all the pages here and I may have missed some valid points as to why the OP was in the wrong. And either way, this, very much this:

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Originally Posted by Ravenmore

I see it as that bubee, but still hate to say lesson learned. Take it in to the next time and go over every point in great detail. I think thats how some of the people that are selling RA/ex on my server are doing it, paying for the rite to lot even if it doesn't drop.

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Originally Posted by Ravenmore

I think thats how some of the people that are selling RA/ex on my server are doing it, paying for the rite to lot even if it doesn't drop.

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Who the hell would agree t that? >.>

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Originally Posted by Tamoa

In the OP's defense, this was a YOYD run. And to me, that has always meant you get to keep whatever you want that drops off your orb, including behe pop item in this case unless some other agreement was made prior to the run.

I haven't read every single post in this thread, but I'm assuming if BB item had dropped from one of the other orbs, the OP would have been allowed to lot it in exchange for the behe pop item from his orb. Which is all good. But no BB item dropped and OP was still required to give up his behe pop item. That kinda sounds like having to pay for an item you didn't receive?

But like I said, I haven't read through all the pages here and I may have missed some valid points as to why the OP was in the wrong. And either way, this, very much this:

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The second he agreed to the exception of the Tongue and the Shank, it was no longer a full-on YOYD run, the deal itself was a contradiction. He agreed to let the others lot on his shank in the same manner he would be allowed to lot on the Tongue, it didn't matter who's orb either of them dropped on, anyone would've been able to lot. Under this deal, the other 2 went first, and neither dropped. Then, before his turn, he asked if they could annul the deal, because it was his turn, because the item hadn't dropped. This equates to saying: "The deal is off because it didn't drop, so you don't get the chance at all! I had my chance but, I didn't get what I wanted so...I'm not going to uphold my part of the deal."

The fact that he misunderstood a relatively clear deal about whether or not they would just give him the Tongue if it dropped (which is an idiotic assumption at best as he argues that the Tongue and shank are the only things worth getting from the KSNM, both of which are tied to getting Black Belt, the shank just gives you another shot at it) has nothing to do with it. He was still trying to back out the deal because it was his turn.

If anything, he was the one using "confidence man" tactics to get a chance at what he wanted off of their orbs (but didn't) while leaving them nothing, not even the chance to get what they wanted, on his (which, is pretty much the same exact item, which is why he wanted to back out, to further increase his chances to get the tongue by getting the shank to pop Behemoth for another chance to get the Tongue).

YOYD was the shout, and it would've been equally as fair. The exception made, was also equally fair, as it increased everyone's chance to get one of the two items. He thought that he was making a deal where he would have a better chance at getting the item than they would, which was downright foolish and in no way the fault of the other two.

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Originally Posted by rog

Who the hell would agree t that? >.>

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Same people as the people on Phoenix who dish out 100-300k (or more) per hour to leech in a Fell Cleave party probably.

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Originally Posted by Zyeriis

Same people as the people on Phoenix who dish out 100-300k (or more) per hour to leech in a Fell Cleave party probably.

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100k/hr? Damn, that sounds like a pretty good deal, considering a good cleave party can hit upwards of 200k/hr.

@Zyeriis: Sure, if there were 2 separate deals here, then yeah the OP can't really complain. I just thought it sounded like the shank off his orb would be the payment for him lotting the BB item off someone else's orb.

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Originally Posted by Tamoa

I just thought it sounded like the shank off his orb would be the payment for him lotting the BB item off someone else's orb.

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You must have read a different post than we did. The post i read explicitly said he was trading the shank for a chance to lot the tongue.

It's Futchy. If the OP had gotten a Behemoth Tongue and Warped justice would have been served.

http://www.bluegartr.com/threads/804...eww-on-Valefor

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Originally Posted by Byrth

It's Futchy. If the OP had gotten a Behemoth Tongue and Warped justice would have been served.

http://www.bluegartr.com/threads/804...eww-on-Valefor

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ok, but him arguing that he was in the right for any other reason makes him wrong.