Do something about the AH and lower level gear????

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Originally Posted by Greatguardian

Gear is already available from NPCs. They are just at prices made in such a way that they would not interfere with crafters who would be unable to sell their wares at all the NPCs sold it cheaply. This is why the NPCs are priced in such a way, and it is still valid today.

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Its not valid when no one makes the armour, so the "crafting" side is cancelled out but the price continues to be high.

People in this thread are still unaware of how difficult things are for new players, what you're all forgetting is you start with NOTHING, how you supposed to do successful farming on mobs or get anywhere if you're naked with a level 1 weapon and have no skillups so you cant hit anything, this is the issue which drives the difficulty up.

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Originally Posted by RaenRyong

Make it profitable for crafters to craft.

If you don't want to pay more money than what is obviously not attracting sales on AH, don't complain!

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This or Craft your self, Or leech to 90.

The problem I see for low level gear is anything below 30 is makeable and will probably be made. But once people hit level 30 they just go stand in abyssea so why should anyone put anything on the ah if people are just going to waste your time and not buy it because you dont need gear to stand in abyssea. This makes it very hard for new players to get any gear from 30. Raise the cap for abyssea. Make it profitable and worth while for people to put the stuff back on the ah. Its the only way you will get new stuff appearing.

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Originally Posted by viion

Its not valid when no one makes the armour, so the "crafting" side is cancelled out but the price continues to be high.

People in this thread are still unaware of how difficult things are for new players, what you're all forgetting is you start with NOTHING, how you supposed to do successful farming on mobs or get anywhere if you're naked with a level 1 weapon and have no skillups so you cant hit anything, this is the issue which drives the difficulty up.

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Most armor is bought from the shops around below level 30. I agree unless new players know someone in the game or find someone in the game who can sponsor their first few levels its going to be hard but no harder than when we all first started. FOV gil helps the new players more than we ever had. There are lots of beginner quests that can make them gil. All you can ask is the long time serving memeber who finds a new player be a gracious host and give them some gil to help them along and ideas for them to get their own. I cant tell you how many new players Ive given 10k to get them going. They dont need much.

It's really not that hard to find a crafter....

and its incredibly cheap to level up crafts to where you can make midlevel gear... AH is in the dumps atm so materials are cheap.

I've said this before and I'll say it again I won't level a craft to make one piece of gear. There are plenty of crafters that have leveled crafts up already that can supply the low levels of a server.

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Originally Posted by viion

Its not valid when no one makes the armour, so the "crafting" side is cancelled out but the price continues to be high.

People in this thread are still unaware of how difficult things are for new players, what you're all forgetting is you start with NOTHING, how you supposed to do successful farming on mobs or get anywhere if you're naked with a level 1 weapon and have no skillups so you cant hit anything, this is the issue which drives the difficulty up.

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Originally Posted by katz

Most armor is bought from the shops around below level 30. I agree unless new players know someone in the game or find someone in the game who can sponsor their first few levels its going to be hard but no harder than when we all first started. FOV gil helps the new players more than we ever had. There are lots of beginner quests that can make them gil. All you can ask is the long time serving memeber who finds a new player be a gracious host and give them some gil to help them along and ideas for them to get their own. I cant tell you how many new players Ive given 10k to get them going. They dont need much.

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FYI... the first mobs you FOV on (page1) outside a starter city are level 1 mobs. You can fight those until you hit level 6 or 7. You will have earned enough gil from the FOV pages and selling the drops to purchase new gears and guess what... go back to FOV again. Page 2 is... level 3-6 mobs--which you can take to level 12 or 13. Again, you can earn enough gils, possibly even CP to get upgraded gears again and.....go back to FOV. The remaining pages just outside the starter city have mobs that you can xp on until you hit 15-17.

http://wiki.ffxiclopedia.org/wiki/Field_Manual

Some of the mobs will actually drop GIL when you kill them. Some drop items you can use to craft stuff at level 0 craft and sell for a decent profit. Some drops will sell for up to 5k a stack in the AH, or NPC for 100+ gil, or are used in quests for either gil or...guess what GEAR (Outside Bastok, you can get a Shell Shield to drop that can be used at level 7, turned in for Welcome to Bastok and gives you a level 9 sword that you can use and later upgrade to a Bee Spatha, or just sell it for 350+ gil, or ifyou happen to be leveling bonecraft you may be able to desynth the shield for a Giant Femur that can be used to craft something else or AH for 1k gil or NPC for 200--if you use the shield for the quest it opens another fetch quest you can do later to get a level 31 shield).

All this can happen right outside your starting nation, and you earn a decent spot of gil off them. You haven't had to travel anywhere, and you are able to solo all the way to level 12-15, earn gil to cover the cost of upgrading gear AS NEEDED TO HANDLE THE MOBS YOU ARE FIGHTING (don't need level 10 gear for a level 6 mob) and are at a decent level to team up and kill stuff in Dunes now if you like. If not, you can work your way to one or two zones away from your starter nation and rinse/repeat with that FOV book and get to 20 plus solo if you want, or if you've made some friends you can team up and explore and fight tougher targets mixing in FOV for higher xp/gil gains and get all the way to Jueno to get your chocobo and such and start making even more gil/xp per hour. It all flows very nicely.

As stated before--adjustments simply are NOT needed. It is all there. It has ALWAYS been there (at least since I started ages ago). Oh, and btw...I started long before FOV was available. I started as a MNK, ddin't have a linkshell until after I had leveled MNK, WAR, WHM, and RDM to around level 12 and headed to Dunes for my first party. That is when I got my FIRST linkshell. I never had any trouble with gil back then, and I wasn't crafting or gardening. I didn't start any of that until I started BLM, which wasn't until AFTER I unlocked subjobs and made my way to Jueno. When I started BLM, I started cooking craft to make my own juices as I leveled BLM. My first big AH purchase was SEER'S for my BLM, all +1 except for the body.

So yes, I DO know how hard it is for someone to start out. I DID it under MUCH harsher conditions.

Well thank you to the very few who tried to help come up with solid ideas for making an adjustment to the way the game has progressed. Its just too bad that most have to turn it into my way your way crap.

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Originally Posted by Kanjitai

I've said this before and I'll say it again I won't level a craft to make one piece of gear. There are plenty of crafters that have leveled crafts up already that can supply the low levels of a server.

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The crafters would certainly make low-level gear if there was a market for it. But there's not. Why make products that are in such low demand?

I guess people are complaining about lack of gil because they level up so much faster these days. When I started you had to earn the gil to level up. Now its too easy to level, the need for gil is that much faster and because they havent had to earn gil before leveling they are finding they are short. The game now seems geared towards how fast can I get to 90 instead of how can I get to be a good quality player.