Low level exp parties

Folks will figure out their jobs somehow, eventually. I dunno that there's much to learn in melee jobs anyway. The actual hazard of speeding through levels is when your weapon and magic skills are way too low and you miss most of your attacks.

There's nothing SE can do to fix this anyway. They can't force players to level jobs. You don't really need big parties to level up anyway. I levelled 15 jobs to 30 solo, and it didn't take all that long. Later I levelled them to 50 for the AF quests, some solo and some in groups. Still didn't take too long. And that was solo. Team up with 1 other guy and it goes real fast. Maybe not lightning fast, but insanely fast compared to pre-2010 levelling.

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Originally Posted by Hawklaser

Though should not need a full suit of CP gear for a level, have to learn which pieces to prioritize for best effects when have limited resources. Usually that is the Weapon, Body and leg slots. Especially when can supplement those with the other slots from brown caskets and mob drops. Starter Zone brown caskets do have level 10 gear in them.



As to the armor being expensive, do you open brown caskets? Especially in the early GoV dungeons like Dangruf Wadi and King Ranpere's? Some of those items vendor for 6-10k, others can put up on the AH for 20k.(depending on server) A couple of either of those should more than cover armor needs up to 30 if invest well, and not buying new equip every other level. As do you really need to pay 5k for one more armor in a single slot? While I know there are some really nice pieces out there for lower levels(ie Battle Gloves) one does not really need them when dealing mostly with EP-DC mobs outside of alliances until get up into the higher levels. And if doing the EP-DC mobs for pages outside of alliances, get plenty of brown caskets to cover equipent costs, as well as more gil from page bonuses than alliance burning the pages.

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I've never had any good luck with brown caskets. I stopped popping them after the 50th potion.

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Originally Posted by Umichi

apparently you've never been in hours long abyssea xp parties with not a word spoken.

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I have, and a the same time I have been in very talkative parties, someone simply has to start a conversation. The thing is though, if you have no one beside yourself, 0 possibility at a conversation in your party, if you have 17 other people, there is a possibility, no matter who the people are, or where they are.

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Originally Posted by Umichi

apparently you've never been in hours long abyssea xp parties with not a word spoken.

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This is the norm at Abyssea too correct?
Folks rarely even say hi/cya unless they met before.
I mean, actually being made welcome &/or comfortable enough to become involved in an ongoing conversation is actually rather unusual in Aby, no? Can't be getting better.

I understand your point about "may as well solo the xp" rather than stay for hours in such groups & with the consistant lack of social graces from other players in Aby parties you may as well solo & would most likely have more fun.

From a few of the more "persistant" posters here I get a good sense of what their own opinion of a good xp party conversation would consist of & frankly I'd rather pass, since there is little sign of any compassion or humour.

As for no low xp parties, sure, it's not going to help new players but if they are up to investing the time to research the FOV pages they can progress quite nicely once they know where to go & when.
Gusgen Mines mobs are DC @17 if one is reasonably equipped & careful at the start, with a few tabs in the bank it's fun.

In my opinion, if they wanted to promote new growth they would have revamped the starting areas years ago.
I'm sure you or I could think up a few dozen things to get new people hooked fast & none of them would have to make things easier, just fun, with presents but, so could Square, with bells on, so I would suggest not worrying about how new players will cope because I see no sign that the game is promoting new growth but then, at least we kinda know why.

I would love some fresh starter zone content, some new mobs, some new games, some new(crafted from zone mobs drops) weapons, some new luck based finds some new rewards for opening a brown chest(for Petes sake), some querky new NPCs quest givers, list is endless "but we have that in 14" yeah yeah.

Cya.

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Originally Posted by detlef

Yes, spamming your single job ability and your one weapon skill while full timing gear will make you a better player.

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Fun fact: I had someone die repeatedly in their 50's while I was helping them with their level cap quest in Eld. Necropolis.

They still hadn't realized undead aggro on low HP. After going 1-40 in Gusgen.

In any case, most people don't even think to look around. You could have easily gone 1-24 in Dangruf Wadi solo in the time it takes most people to whine about how Gusgen is dead, sitting in Gusgen, waiting for a Gusgen PT...that's what those books were really meant for. So you didn't -have- to PT and still could get reasonable exp, even while soloing.

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Originally Posted by Mirage

And where would they get this lv 10-30 gear? The AH is often empty, people don't gain nearly enough CP for CP items to be a realistic alternative, NPCs generally only offer gear with just defense on, and not much else.

Oh, of course, people could take a break from their leveling and camp an NM for a few hours and get a 10% chance for a drop. Not to mention, if they're at the level where they can solo kill said NM, the gear it drops is probably for 10 levels lower than they are anyway. Lol.

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At 10-30, if you need gear with that +1 to RAcc to solo, you're doing it wrong. I walked out of Dangruf, plunked down my loot on the AH, and had myself enough money to pick up a set of beetle armor. Off the vendors. That's another thing that people don't learn burning pages in Gusgen. How to actually make money. When I see folks coming out of Crawler's Nest with barely 10K to their names...and leaving brown chests to rot in lines. I laugh and laugh and glut my inventory on armor bits and crafting mats and elixirs and hi-elixirs and cheerfully empty it out on the nearest NPC for enough cash to afford the basics. Is it best-in-slot for my level? Often heck no. But it's quite serviceable.

Soloing/duoing trades slower exp for more money. I'll go up to the top of Delfkutt's and laugh as I'm leveling with one guy or solo for the 40's, and we end up with a few 100K in loot each stabbing our way through the 10th floor mobs and elementals. What, can't make decent gear choices at 40ish for 200K? :)

Page burn parties are junk food. You get levels. You still need money, you still need gear, or you have to live on junk food and don't have the strength to do anything else. NM hunting is for farming, when the NM is 10 levels lower anyway and you're there to kill, kill, kill the real money makers anyway. I don't make that 200K in the Tower camping NM Gigas. I make it smashing lightning elementals, bashing pots for shards, a steady stream of 100-200G off the dead Gigas I chop, the bits I vendor from brown chests.

I used to hang out on the 11th-12th floors as a 75 back in the day. I'd make more money from selling stacks of wool thread/cloth and doll/pot shards than I ever did off of Ixtab/Alky/Pallas. Still would.

Get off the junk food diet and go oldschool. The exp rate is still far superior (and solid) and the smart player has the money roll in anyway.

Good point, but I want to at least go with -someone- instead of soloing. I need someone to talk to during the time (Not talking to people in ls, because half the time I don't think they wanna talk)

I noticed someone was asking how you'd manage to even get level 10-30 gear these days. I've geared two characters simultaneously from the AH in that level range, even with some of the cheap stuff. Recently. Of course, after coming back with 100,000 gil from selling off loot from getting the characters to 20s in the new unlocked ones, we could afford some stuff with stat bonuses.

People really don't know how to make money? Do they not know how to get the guard to cast signet? Sheesh. My wife and I have been playing the old way of it. Haven't touched a book page yet. Still been having a great deal of fun, able to afford all the spells and gear we want.

Well yes I know how to do all of that (I have 2.4 mil saved up from the campaign alone, and roughly another 3mil+ since I won't be buying relic pieces this time, got all I want so eh...might as well splurge the shanks to the peeps who want that ring so badly.)

In either case, I think that aside from Phalanx/Refreshes, I'll be able to fund most of my jobs on 5mil, considering I have 99 BLU on one of my characters and all, not to mention I do this mercenary-type work for farming ADL pops in dyna xarc.

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Originally Posted by Mirage

After changing to Sandoria on my main (which left me with 0 CP), I didn't have enough CP for more than a single rank 1 when I had leveled a new job to 10. At level 20, I had enough for maybe half a rank 2 item, because book exp increases a lot more between 10 and 20, compared to 1-10. That's pretty bad, considering you have 16 more slots to fill (although it is closer to 10 slots realistically at those levels, still bad).

RSE gear is pretty situational. For some jobs on some races, it's good. For other jobs on other races, you might as well be wearing a paper apron.

Note that I'm not actually complaining about not having any CP to spend here. I already had the gear I wanted to use while leveling, I just checked these things to get an idea of how fast CP is acquired nowadays after booking became the thing.


Already covered NQ armor from shops. It is unrealistically priced compared to the stats the gear gives you. As for shouting for better gear, that can take hours. I've spent quite a while shouting for crafters as well, even when I have all the items and offer a reasonable crafting reward. It's all pretty convoluted, especially if you're relatively new to the game. "Watching" AH could also take forever. Who knows when the items you want pops up? Who knows if you're even awake when it's put up? Maybe someone buys it before you get home from work? Asking people to buy CP gear for you is a fair idea, as long as you know people with some spare CP. I dunno about you, but I spend a very large amount of my CP on voiddust back when VW was all the rage, and few lategame-players gain significant amounts of new CP nowadays.

It would have been much more player friendly (especially for newcomers) to just get CP for their page bonuses as well. It would pretty much solve everything.

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I use to scroll in AH to see the names of people selling armor, then /sea to see if that person was online. Usually you can weed out the difference between crafter or just someone selling off gear by seeing if only 1 person sold or if a person sold more than 1.

I've also asked friends or people in LS if anyone crafts or if anyone knew any crafters. Or I'd check In the weavers guild to see if anyone was there. However at 99 I always try to add people to my friends list that I can pay for craft services.

One thing I noticed, anyone will respond if its worth their time so I use to offer like 50k. At level 10, anyone can earn that Gil pretty easy. At level 15 thief, can hunt it fast.