Low level exp parties

[Anjou]

I'm seeing a lot less of these, even in gusgen mines and their book burning. Literally I only see 2 people in here at a time with the pages. Is there somewhere that recently became the hot spot, or are low level players going to be forced to solo all the way to 30 where...yup looks like Crawler's Nest is empty most of the time too.


Can something be thought up to fix this?

[Daemon]

Why does SE need to fix this? Because 18 people no longer there to burn pages? I mean every time I went at least 6-8 people were parked afk leeching maybe from falling asleep, or intentionally leeching because they know they could.

Anyone can solo up to 18 and then solo pages in gusgen mines. Then again anyone could level to 30 pretty fast if the person actually had the gear rather than expect to level up to 30 off level 10 gear.

Even with 3 people its fast.

[Mirage]

Why does SE need to fix this? Because 18 people no longer there to burn pages? I mean every time I went at least 6-8 people were parked afk leeching maybe from falling asleep, or intentionally leeching because they know they could.

Anyone can solo up to 18 and then solo pages in gusgen mines. Then again anyone could level to 30 pretty fast if the person actually had the gear rather than expect to level up to 30 off level 10 gear.

Even with 3 people its fast.

And where would they get this lv 10-30 gear? The AH is often empty, people don't gain nearly enough CP for CP items to be a realistic alternative, NPCs generally only offer gear with just defense on, and not much else.

Oh, of course, people could take a break from their leveling and camp an NM for a few hours and get a 10% chance for a drop. Not to mention, if they're at the level where they can solo kill said NM, the gear it drops is probably for 10 levels lower than they are anyway. Lol.

[Daemon]

And where would they get this lv 10-30 gear? The AH is often empty, people don't gain nearly enough CP for CP items to be a realistic alternative, NPCs generally only offer gear with just defense on, and not much else.

Oh, of course, people could take a break from their leveling and camp an NM for a few hours and get a 10% chance for a drop. Not to mention, if they're at the level where they can solo kill said NM, the gear it drops is probably for 10 levels lower than they are anyway. Lol.

People can buy NQ gear from armor/weapon shops. As for HQ stuff, have to shout asking If anyone is selling, ask for a crafter or watch AH. Since these gears are low level, HQing them is easy.

Buying CP gear is not hard because asking someone to purchase it with CP and sell it is easy.

[Hawklaser]

And where would they get this lv 10-30 gear? The AH is often empty, people don't gain nearly enough CP for CP items to be a realistic alternative, NPCs generally only offer gear with just defense on, and not much else.

Oh, of course, people could take a break from their leveling and camp an NM for a few hours and get a 10% chance for a drop. Not to mention, if they're at the level where they can solo kill said NM, the gear it drops is probably for 10 levels lower than they are anyway. Lol.

On a fresh character, from soloing I had more than enough CP and gil from books and random casket drops to more than keep myself decently geared. Not to mention there is RSE if you quest it is very handy at those levels too, thats a little harder due to some fame requirements being a pain to increase now.

[Mirage]

On a fresh character, from soloing I had more than enough CP and gil from books and random casket drops to more than keep myself decently geared. Not to mention there is RSE if you quest it is very handy at those levels too, thats a little harder due to some fame requirements being a pain to increase now.

After changing to Sandoria on my main (which left me with 0 CP), I didn't have enough CP for more than a single rank 1 when I had leveled a new job to 10. At level 20, I had enough for maybe half a rank 2 item, because book exp increases a lot more between 10 and 20, compared to 1-10. That's pretty bad, considering you have 16 more slots to fill (although it is closer to 10 slots realistically at those levels, still bad).

RSE gear is pretty situational. For some jobs on some races, it's good. For other jobs on other races, you might as well be wearing a paper apron.

Note that I'm not actually complaining about not having any CP to spend here. I already had the gear I wanted to use while leveling, I just checked these things to get an idea of how fast CP is acquired nowadays after booking became the thing.

People can buy NQ gear from armor/weapon shops. As for HQ stuff, have to shout asking If anyone is selling, ask for a crafter or watch AH. Since these gears are low level, HQing them is easy.

Buying CP gear is not hard because asking someone to purchase it with CP and sell it is easy.

Already covered NQ armor from shops. It is unrealistically priced compared to the stats the gear gives you. As for shouting for better gear, that can take hours. I've spent quite a while shouting for crafters as well, even when I have all the items and offer a reasonable crafting reward. It's all pretty convoluted, especially if you're relatively new to the game. "Watching" AH could also take forever. Who knows when the items you want pops up? Who knows if you're even awake when it's put up? Maybe someone buys it before you get home from work? Asking people to buy CP gear for you is a fair idea, as long as you know people with some spare CP. I dunno about you, but I spend a very large amount of my CP on voiddust back when VW was all the rage, and few lategame-players gain significant amounts of new CP nowadays.

It would have been much more player friendly (especially for newcomers) to just get CP for their page bonuses as well. It would pretty much solve everything.

[Hawklaser]

After changing to Sandoria on my main (which left me with 0 CP), I didn't have enough CP for more than a single rank 1 when I had leveled a new job to 10. At level 20, I had enough for maybe half a rank 2 item, because book exp increases a lot more between 10 and 20, compared to 1-10. That's pretty bad, considering you have 16 more slots to fill (although it is closer to 10 slots realistically at those levels, still bad).

RSE gear is pretty situational. For some jobs on some races, it's good. For other jobs on other races, you might as well be wearing a paper apron.

Note that I'm not actually complaining about not having any CP to spend here. I already had the gear I wanted to use while leveling, I just checked these things to get an idea of how fast CP is acquired nowadays after booking became the thing.

Though should not need a full suit of CP gear for a level, have to learn which pieces to prioritize for best effects when have limited resources. Usually that is the Weapon, Body and leg slots. Especially when can supplement those with the other slots from brown caskets and mob drops. Starter Zone brown caskets do have level 10 gear in them.

Already covered NQ armor from shops. It is unrealistically priced compared to the stats the gear gives you. As for shouting for better gear, that can take hours. I've spent quite a while shouting for crafters as well, even when I have all the items and offer a reasonable crafting reward. It's all pretty convoluted, especially if you're relatively new to the game. "Watching" AH could also take forever. Who knows when the items you want pops up? Who knows if you're even awake when it's put up? Maybe someone buys it before you get home from work? Asking people to buy CP gear for you is a fair idea, as long as you know people with some spare CP. I dunno about you, but I spend a very large amount of my CP on voiddust back when VW was all the rage, and few lategame-players gain significant amounts of new CP nowadays.

It would have been much more player friendly (especially for newcomers) to just get CP for their page bonuses as well. It would pretty much solve everything.

As to the armor being expensive, do you open brown caskets? Especially in the early GoV dungeons like Dangruf Wadi and King Ranpere's? Some of those items vendor for 6-10k, others can put up on the AH for 20k.(depending on server) A couple of either of those should more than cover armor needs up to 30 if invest well, and not buying new equip every other level. As do you really need to pay 5k for one more armor in a single slot? While I know there are some really nice pieces out there for lower levels(ie Battle Gloves) one does not really need them when dealing mostly with EP-DC mobs outside of alliances until get up into the higher levels. And if doing the EP-DC mobs for pages outside of alliances, get plenty of brown caskets to cover equipent costs, as well as more gil from page bonuses than alliance burning the pages.

[Daemon]

After changing to Sandoria on my main (which left me with 0 CP), I didn't have enough CP for more than a single rank 1 when I had leveled a new job to 10. At level 20, I had enough for maybe half a rank 2 item, because book exp increases a lot more between 10 and 20, compared to 1-10. That's pretty bad, considering you have 16 more slots to fill (although it is closer to 10 slots realistically at those levels, still bad).

RSE gear is pretty situational. For some jobs on some races, it's good. For other jobs on other races, you might as well be wearing a paper apron.

Note that I'm not actually complaining about not having any CP to spend here. I already had the gear I wanted to use while leveling, I just checked these things to get an idea of how fast CP is acquired nowadays after booking became the thing.


Already covered NQ armor from shops. It is unrealistically priced compared to the stats the gear gives you. As for shouting for better gear, that can take hours. I've spent quite a while shouting for crafters as well, even when I have all the items and offer a reasonable crafting reward. It's all pretty convoluted, especially if you're relatively new to the game. "Watching" AH could also take forever. Who knows when the items you want pops up? Who knows if you're even awake when it's put up? Maybe someone buys it before you get home from work? Asking people to buy CP gear for you is a fair idea, as long as you know people with some spare CP. I dunno about you, but I spend a very large amount of my CP on voiddust back when VW was all the rage, and few lategame-players gain significant amounts of new CP nowadays.

It would have been much more player friendly (especially for newcomers) to just get CP for their page bonuses as well. It would pretty much solve everything.

I use to scroll in AH to see the names of people selling armor, then /sea to see if that person was online. Usually you can weed out the difference between crafter or just someone selling off gear by seeing if only 1 person sold or if a person sold more than 1.

I've also asked friends or people in LS if anyone crafts or if anyone knew any crafters. Or I'd check In the weavers guild to see if anyone was there. However at 99 I always try to add people to my friends list that I can pay for craft services.

One thing I noticed, anyone will respond if its worth their time so I use to offer like 50k. At level 10, anyone can earn that Gil pretty easy. At level 15 thief, can hunt it fast.

[Rustic]

And where would they get this lv 10-30 gear? The AH is often empty, people don't gain nearly enough CP for CP items to be a realistic alternative, NPCs generally only offer gear with just defense on, and not much else.

Oh, of course, people could take a break from their leveling and camp an NM for a few hours and get a 10% chance for a drop. Not to mention, if they're at the level where they can solo kill said NM, the gear it drops is probably for 10 levels lower than they are anyway. Lol.

At 10-30, if you need gear with that +1 to RAcc to solo, you're doing it wrong. I walked out of Dangruf, plunked down my loot on the AH, and had myself enough money to pick up a set of beetle armor. Off the vendors. That's another thing that people don't learn burning pages in Gusgen. How to actually make money. When I see folks coming out of Crawler's Nest with barely 10K to their names...and leaving brown chests to rot in lines. I laugh and laugh and glut my inventory on armor bits and crafting mats and elixirs and hi-elixirs and cheerfully empty it out on the nearest NPC for enough cash to afford the basics. Is it best-in-slot for my level? Often heck no. But it's quite serviceable.

Soloing/duoing trades slower exp for more money. I'll go up to the top of Delfkutt's and laugh as I'm leveling with one guy or solo for the 40's, and we end up with a few 100K in loot each stabbing our way through the 10th floor mobs and elementals. What, can't make decent gear choices at 40ish for 200K?

Page burn parties are junk food. You get levels. You still need money, you still need gear, or you have to live on junk food and don't have the strength to do anything else. NM hunting is for farming, when the NM is 10 levels lower anyway and you're there to kill, kill, kill the real money makers anyway. I don't make that 200K in the Tower camping NM Gigas. I make it smashing lightning elementals, bashing pots for shards, a steady stream of 100-200G off the dead Gigas I chop, the bits I vendor from brown chests.

I used to hang out on the 11th-12th floors as a 75 back in the day. I'd make more money from selling stacks of wool thread/cloth and doll/pot shards than I ever did off of Ixtab/Alky/Pallas. Still would.

Get off the junk food diet and go oldschool. The exp rate is still far superior (and solid) and the smart player has the money roll in anyway.

[Siviard]

I'm seeing a lot less of these, even in gusgen mines and their book burning. Literally I only see 2 people in here at a time with the pages. Is there somewhere that recently became the hot spot, or are low level players going to be forced to solo all the way to 30 where...yup looks like Crawler's Nest is empty most of the time too.


Can something be thought up to fix this?

I see someone relies on Gusgen Mines book burning a bit too much.

Try learning how to play your jobs solo for a change. It will make you a better player. Trust me.