Perfect defense / embrava unbalance

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Originally Posted by Babekeke

What makes his post invalid is the fact that SE already stated that the content will be adjusted, so this is just a load of arguing for nothing.

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No. They said they would try it, they also said that they would first ajust the 2hours then see if they need to change the content. Needless to say, you have to be prepared to long months of unbeatable ADL or Nyzul, so get prepared.

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Originally Posted by Demon6324236

They said they are nerfing PD/Embrava, they said they are nerfing the content that requires them, we covered that.

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So wait, SE claim they will ajust the content (when they have time, after X or Y) and you automatically think they know what they will be doing. I'm just pointing out that changing perfect defense means they have to completely revamp adl and legion. It's not the same as "ajusting" the content. I think we have pretty much establish that devs don't play the game right ? It was one of the player census request by the way.

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Originally Posted by Arcon

I'm not, my post was entirely unrelated to you. I just quoted you because you were the last of the few posts complaining about Pchan being a hypocrite, as if that somehow made his point invalid.



While that would be hilarious, it still wouldn't stop him from bragging. MNK is nowhere near as good as he thinks it is, yet he will always pretend that it's overgodly and say so every chance he gets because he's too lazy or unable to play any other jobs.

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Yep lol. He told me sam and Mnk Tp at around the same speed. And laughed when I said I could self skillchain w.o meditate or sekka lol....

This thread needs more hugs.

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Originally Posted by Reain

I should point out that we don't usually kill it without Perfect Defense we just did one time because we ran out of Astral flows and everyone was up for it.

I don't try and stand out of AoE. I stand with my back to the palace to prevent the knock back. If it's violent rupture it's easy cause I can just squall as soon as my melee are on it.

If it's Oblivion Smash it's harder because it's does more damage and I can't squall till the add effect paralyze is off. My whm is usually gets it off me quickly. Lately I've been carrying remedies too.

If I were playing SCH I would be dropping PT after Embrava and Regen V and locking Tabula Rasa on the ???.




Agreed. I think anyone who has done ADL will think that he was lucky that it didn't summon again and that the first one they targetted was the real one. (He might have just did ADLs till the first one was the real one though.)

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i actually do that, locking Tabula Rasa and so on with magian specs. and the ??? for up to 3 ADL fights. I place myself on the pilars so I am outside of magical AoE, but inside of cure range, the pillars prevent knockback.
Still the main problem is its huge AoE range that is 30' or more, (my mule actually got killed 35' away from it). The fight is nowhere near CONSISTENTLY (key word) winnable without PD and/or Embrava and depends totaly on if ADL will be a dick and picked the right one. Hell even with PD/Embrava he can dick you out of a win.

ADL can wipe you any time with PD and embrava. Tera slash can wipe 3 ppl at once even if they are at 3 different positions. It's his secret nynja technique to kill you. IMO if they they nerf embrava, the only way to make it winnable is entirely remove dynamis implosion, and make death on tera slash a much lower proc rate. After that it needs to spam spells les often. Aka a normal mob. People would tank it with 2 DD and 4 support like the good old day or like you do with DL. SE is stuck in a dilemma between making ADL as trivial as DL, which means the market will be flooded marrows and everyone will have access to a level 99 weapon, as well as 250marrows being easy to obtain, or leaving it as is and transforming NQ level 99 in impossible to get items. A possible way to fix all this, from a balance point of view, is too make the pop NMs twice stronger so that they can only be killed with 6+ persons, while making ADL about as strong as NQ DL.

For embrava and nyzul, the way to ajust the event if embrava is nerfed is to allow 20/40/60/80 bosses to all drop KI that contibute to the final form of the level 100 gear, while making F100 no longer 100%.

I wasn't really arguing that it was consistently killable without PD. I was arguing that it was possible.

30 AoE doesn't matter because everyone is next to the palace. It's more a matter of squalling it on pop. Dropping to just above 40% and hoping it chooses to summon over TPing/casting. At 40%+ the only moves it has access to on split are violent rupture/oblivion smash. Survive that then it's a matter of squalling again before it kills you and dropping it asap having weapon bash/blade bash ready incase it unstuns before you kill it. Squalling again if you kill fake.

Most groups are capable of killing 2 forms before it re-summons rather than rely on choosing the right one.

The things that will screw you over Tera Slash(only done under 40%ish?), dynamic implosion (only done under 15% ish) and death aren't stopped by Perfect Defense anyway they are stopped by stun locking.

Deleting posts haha. As far as embrava goes, for events like nyzle isle, it won't make that much of a difference. It will still come down to luck... It's more of the movement speed issue that kills people in nyzle. Could just swap a DD for a Cor. If your cor is good, it will be like having a heavy DD. Last stand is pretty good on fodder mobs.

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Originally Posted by Fupafighter

Deleting posts haha. As far as embrava goes, for events like nyzle isle, it won't make that much of a difference. It will still come down to luck... It's more of the movement speed issue that kills people in nyzle. Could just swap a DD for a Cor. If your cor is good, it will be like having a heavy DD. Last stand is pretty good on fodder mobs.

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Either your group has been very very lucky or you don't know what you're talking about.

Can you do NNI without Embrava? Sure. Will you have close to the same win rate? Nope.

either replace 2 SCH by 2 WHM or 1 brd + 1 whm or 1 bard+1 sch. Would have to resing marches every 3 minutes. instant cast every 10 min (nightingale). 2 WHM might be uneasy on MP but doable with /RDM and elixir temp/vile elixir med. In the end you lose something:casting marches every 3 minutes will waste ~2minutes. and the healer cannot heal everyone on kill all and lamps. What's more this time soulflayers will dispell every possible buff... so yeah, it sucks.

Edit: also if the brd doesnt have relic or empy instrument.. its more than 2 minutes..

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Originally Posted by MarkovChain

No. They said they would try it, they also said that they would first ajust the 2hours then see if they need to change the content. Needless to say, you have to be prepared to long months of unbeatable ADL or Nyzul, so get prepared.

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Strange how you got that from this:

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Originally Posted by Akihiko_Matsui

In regards to the comments we have been seeing from users raising concern that certain content won’t be possible to complete if the effects of Perfect Defense and Embrava are reduced. This is something that even the Development Team is keeping in mind with these adjustments. With that said, we are planning to make necessary adjustments to not only the abilities, but to content as well.

For both existing content and content to come in the future, I believe that conditions where special monsters are created for the sole purpose of counteracting Perfect Defense and Embrava is not desirable at all. The main idea behind the adjustments to Perfect Defense and Embrava is to correct the situation so it will not come to this.

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I appreciate that English might not be your first language, but you're reading things that aren't there. Unless parts of the original JP version were left out in the translation, he's saying both, content and JAs, will be changed at the same time.