The benefit is so minimal, and the opportunity to use it elsewhere is so great that in all honestly you gotta be pretty power-gamey to even bother. We really are talking single digit percentages here.Quote:
Originally Posted by tyrantsyn
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10-29-2011, 02:23 AMsaevel
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10-29-2011, 03:47 PMShadowsongI feel very sorry for the DDs and Tanks you play with that you are pulling hate.Quote:
Originally Posted by saevel
Come on guys, a crappy melee job using the one good ability it for some reason has access to OBVIOUSLY beats Ukon WARs and Verith MNKs -
10-29-2011, 05:30 PMSeriha
You might be on to something if enmity didn't cap. RDMs might not get there as quickly, especially on harder prey where their ATK deficiencies stand out, but to imply it's impossible, particularly in Abyssea where 3.5k+ CDCs are possible, is silly. Though, if you never let your RDMs leave the MH with a sub other than SCH, WHM, or BLM, I guess it's not surprising to never see it.
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10-29-2011, 07:58 PMsaevel
It's just one of the BG trolls, I stirred em up in the BLU forums so their going on a little hate rampage. Spiking hate isn't that hard with temps and wings, spam CDC during the HV proc and keep a fanatics ready for afterwords. It's just part of being an extremely aggressive player, whether it's me on WAR, BLU, SAM, DRK or *ohh noes!!* RDM. Also many of the VWNM's have hate reset moves or altered hate decay, this could easily result in my having hate for a 30~40s period. Long enough for the PLD's to build up more hate, or the monster to kill me.
But yeah their from the land of "give me haste and a sandwitch b!***" viewpoints. Just click add to ignore, works better that way. -
10-29-2011, 08:33 PMNeisan_Quetz
You got called out for *** numbers, providing no proof to back them up, changing your claims from "Average damage" to "common enough when I have temps from HV stagger" and tried to run back here with your tail behind your legs after being proven wrong, don't get it confused.
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10-29-2011, 10:41 PMGreatguardianAbyssea? He's talking about high tier Voidwatch. As in, claiming that his CDCs average higher than most high-tier WARs average on their Ukko's Fury, while obviously keeping hate over every other DD in his linkshell that should be dealing damage during Blitz too.Quote:
Originally Posted by Seriha
Either his entire linkshell positively sucks, which is indeed possible since they're letting the guy hammer away on high tier NMs as Rdm/Nin, or he's talking out of his ass. Honestly, it sounds like a bit of both. It wouldn't be the first (or second, or third...) time he's pulled random bullshit numbers up without ever posting any sort of proof, parse, or data set, and I'm sure it won't be the last.
Protip: A CDC RDM will never outdamage an equally competent CDC PLD, through sheer lack of gear access. If CDC PLDs are losing hate for 40+ seconds, then they are either utterly terrible or he's full of shit no matter what way you slice it. -
10-29-2011, 11:48 PMCrimson_Slasher
Greatguardian, just a note, Seriha said "Particularly in abyssea" not "this is occuring in abyssea." It was a statement to how it could occur and where it can be seen at an extreme.
Aside from that, i dont have numbers, or proof, or records, so i could be wrong but... Wouldnt a CDC RDM (With gain str and temper) while /nin outdamage a CDC PLD if they were /war (and therefor have less DA before gear, and no offhand hit to improve the ws?) My logic would side with the rdm in that circumstance, both in TP gain, overall DOT and possibly WS damage. Not to mention a pld/war is not far out of the realm of reality. But i could be wrong, just my reasoning. -
10-30-2011, 01:41 AMNeisan_Quetz
Pld/war has better CDC gear, higher skill and zerk, pretty sure they still average higher than Rdm (overall damage is another thing but Prd is still pretty good on capped haste and can get extra tp from shield blocks, assuming they were tanking. if its fodder the Pld could just /nin as well bar ochain or something). Blu still averages higher than Rdm on CDC last I checked(except maybe outside and without VW gear/epona's/loki's - basically, wsing in what the rdm is).
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10-30-2011, 09:06 AMLilia
i play rdm and pld long time and my rdm/dnc have higher CDC and i can easy outdmg my pld/war or pld/nin. But i must say i dont have ochain. Maybe with the tp from shieldblocks pld have more dmg. Maybe....
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10-30-2011, 01:11 PMsaevelAn extra off hand hit puts your potential damage cap higher. A PLD/WAR would have about the same DA as a Temper RDM for WSing, /WAR has 10% and brutal is another 5% and atheling is 3%, they might have another 2% or so in there somewhere. The difference comes with attack, a PLD is going to have higher natural attack by virtue of their slightly (26) higher skill. Also their WS gear is better then what a RDM has access to. To the RDM (and BLU)'s favor they have an off hand weapon, in my case I'm using the STR Shamshir+3 for +20 (25) attack and +10 STR. Toss in meat and temps and you can hit ridiculous attack which is why the RDM/NIN and BLU/NIN (or /DNC) would have higher average CDC's.Quote:
Originally Posted by Crimson_Slasher
Plus these monsters often have hate reset maneuvers or altered hate mechanics. Hate isn't who dealt the most damage, it's who dealt the most damage recently. A Ukon WAR could go in there and do the exact same things and the results would be the same.