Where's our Relic...?

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Originally Posted by Byrth

170 DEX, level 90 Almace (D61), and lets go ahead and assume capped dSTR (+14 base damage.) So you're looking at a 161 base damage weapon. You're a Red Mage, so your Critical Attack bonus is low or nonexistent. Assuming you have initially capped Ratio and are fighting a level 100 monster, your cRatio is capped to 1.75. This still lets you hit 3.15 (capped pDIF), so lets use that as the pDIF value. You probably don't have any Triple Attack on RDM, so lets assume the maximum is two double attacks.

3.15 * 161 * 5.45 = 2764 absolute maximum damage with two double attacks and all four hits criting with maximum pDIF and an appropriate elemental gorget/belt.

At a cRatio of 1.75, your average crit pDIF will be 2.774. With 20% Double Attack in your WS set and an appropriate elemental gorget/belt, your average fTP would be 3.85. There's no way you're fSTR capped on Voidwatch NMs. Lets keep that assumption though, because Voidwatch NM stats seem to be part of the argument. Lets also keep the 100% Crit rate, for the same reasons and because we're assuming constant Champion's Tonic/Stalwart's/etc. However, lets toss in the 95% hit rate cap here just because we know it exists and we're now interested in the average.

161*2.774*3.85*.95 = 1633 Average damage

So, using math that benefits you incredibly and encompasses all of your assumptions, you're still falling short of the average you claim to have. I'll note that we've essentially assumed Voidwatch NMs are Giant Bumblebees with extra HP at this point and that you certainly aren't capping Ratio or fSTR on actual Voidwatch monsters.

Not only do you not average 2k CDCs on Voidwatch monsters, but you don't average 2k CDCs on anything outside Abyssea.

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I said between 1.5K and 2K. Meaning in the middle of or there about. No way in hell am I getting 2K on everything, especially as they each have different stats. Current highest is 2.6K but that's just highest and not really important. And yes it's 1.5 ~ 2.0K CDC's. I pop Bravers -> Stalwarts / Ascetics -> CDC -> TP Wing -> CDC -> Hit Hit Hit -> CDC and so forth. Keep skin / blinks up as much as possible to mitigate aoe damage, continue to spam temps as their refilled.

As two why these numbers are higher then your predictions, who knows, most likely its that the monsters do not have such high stats to begin with. SE has never been about giving NM's super high stats, their too cheap for that.

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Originally Posted by saevel

I said between 1.5K and 2K. Meaning in the middle of or there about. No way in hell am I getting 2K on everything, especially as they each have different stats. Current highest is 2.6K but that's just highest and not really important. And yes it's 1.5 ~ 2.0K CDC's. I pop Bravers -> Stalwarts / Ascetics -> CDC -> TP Wing -> CDC -> Hit Hit Hit -> CDC and so forth. Keep skin / blinks up as much as possible to mitigate aoe damage, continue to spam temps as their refilled.

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Are you factoring in your CDC numbers when temps aren't up? Or do you stop DDing when temps aren't up because you wouldn't be averaging that high if you factored in CDCs without temps.

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Originally Posted by Aurara

Get SS, please, i guarantee you wont hit the numbers you say you will. Also, bashing credibility of people from BG based on the fact we are from BG is a lame thing to do because it proves you arent willing to accept the fact you're wrong.

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Umm .. it's BG ... the home of the trolls. You guys even go so low as to do name and shames and try to talk *** about people behind their back, with horribly incorrect information at that. Then encouraging people to try to get me banned by spamming the report button. I mean seriously how low can you go? Otherwise there rest of your post is meaningless drivel. Troll and hate all you want, I don't need validation by a group of individuals who deem it acceptable to act like that.

I'd believe an average of 1k if you only did it under the most favorable possible conditions (Blood Rage, RCB, Stalwart's, Champion's, etc). I use Raging Rush on Warrior with all the buffs you're describing and they go up to 1.8k, but tend to average around 1.2-1.4k all things considered (assuming a steady stream of procs) on high tier Voidwatch NMs (like Qilin). It's pretty safe to say that I have more attack, base damage, STR, and and fTP than you on Warrior with a Great Axe.

I mean, your testimony is just entirely inconsistent with the experience of everyone who does Voidwatch except yourself. The only people who would believe what you're saying are those who have never meleed a high tier Voidwatch NM.

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Originally Posted by saevel

Umm .. it's BG ... the home of the trolls. You guys even go so low as to do name and shames and try to talk *** about people behind their back, with horribly incorrect information at that. Then encouraging people to try to get me banned by spamming the report button. I mean seriously how low can you go? Otherwise there rest of your post is meaningless drivel. Troll and hate all you want, I don't need validation by a group of individuals who deem it acceptable to act like that.

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Does it get cold up there on your pedestal?

Saevel, when you take those screenshots you promised us, please take them on a T3 VWNM of the Jeuno or Zilart path, namely Pil/Kaggen/Akvan/Qilin/Uptala/Aello. Just saying that now so there's now confusion on your side and you come back with a screenshot of a T1, even though you will not average 2k CDC on RDM on those either.

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Originally Posted by saevel

Umm .. it's BG ... the home of the trolls. You guys even go so low as to do name and shames and try to talk *** about people behind their back, with horribly incorrect information at that. Then encouraging people to try to get me banned by spamming the report button. I mean seriously how low can you go? Otherwise there rest of your post is meaningless drivel. Troll and hate all you want, I don't need validation by a group of individuals who deem it acceptable to act like that.

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You do realize, right, that the reason BG is funny and popular is because the information is TRUE that's why it's so sad? You also must realize that false information on BG is burned and purged and probably banhammered so fast the poster doesn't even know what hit them? Those forums are actually moderated and controlled, unlike what I'm sure you're used to.
Does it get lonely being so self-righteous?

ITT: Red Mage melee is totally not a 2005 discussion, oh and POIDH.

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Originally Posted by Vadai

Saevel, when you take those screenshots you promised us, please take them on a T3 VWNM of the Jeuno or Zilart path, namely Pil/Kaggen/Akvan/Qilin/Uptala/Aello. Just saying that now so there's now confusion on your side and you come back with a screenshot of a T1, even though you will not average 2k CDC on RDM on those either.

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Ahh now it begins huh, I said VWNM's I didn't say only T3's. Actually I do get 1.8K ish on the Flying eyeball, or will you now say that the eyeball is "too weak" and only count Pil / Kaggan as "real" T3s? The upper ended ones are usually on the Jeuno T1's and T2's, like the Wivre, Buggard, Tauri and so forth.

If you trolls are so confident that "it's not possible" then why the sudden imposition of requirements like Kaggan?

MY BRAIN IS FULL OF FUCK

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Originally Posted by saevel

Ahh now it begins huh, I said VWNM's I didn't say only T3's. Actually I do get 1.8K ish on the Flying eyeball, or will you now say that the eyeball is "too weak" and only count Pil / Kaggan as "real" T3s? The upper ended ones are usually on the Jeuno T1's and T2's, like the Wivre, Buggard, Tauri and so forth.

If you trolls are so confident that "it's not possible" then why the sudden imposition of requirements like Kaggan?

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Trolls Trolls Trolls, you people need to stop using that word because you obviously have no idea what it means.
This is also the first time in 5 pages you have set a condition to your claims. "I do 2.6ks on VWNMs", "I average 1.6ks on VWNMs", "What VWNM would you like me to parse?" All quotes from you.
So what you meant to say was "I do high damage against weak mobs that don't mean crap" <---And even this is probably not true